Kawhi making a huge statement for MVP

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Originally Posted by skulls138

We're talking about Kawhi just now getting in the conversation...thats ludicrous. And if you dont take into account the obvious media bias against the Spurs throughout the years as a part of this, Ill just have to disagree with you. As for KD, its been much closer on GSW as to who was the best player than Kawhi to the Spurs. On GSW Durant isnt even vocal leader, Draymond Green is. Kawhi on the other hand has taken the mantle of leadership square on his shoulders, if uncomfortably.

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Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

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Originally Posted by rasuo214

Both shooting sub 45%, also only 2 players averaging over 5 turnovers per game.

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Both have insane usage rate if i'm not mistaken, that tends to have an affect on the number of turnovers one player has. KL player 46 minutes, took 30 shots, had 8 FTA and 5 assists but also had 6 turnovers.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

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I tend to agree but , then again, Marc Gasol has Duncan's DVOP award despite Duncan being an absolute monster during the 12-13 season. I think narratives drive MVP awards more.

Dwight is generally considered to have been the best player during the 11-12 season but Rose got it. Leonard is having a monster season but narratives don't seem to work out in his favor.
If the Spurs can win 63+ and have, five more wins than Houston than I think that it's possible for him to get consideration, also if OKC finishes with fewer than 45 wins then that should work in his favor too.

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

He takes a ton of shots in the restricted area & is pretty good at finish through contact like Lebron. It's also via PnR rather than straight ISOs like Iverson which means he gets a lot of mismatches.

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You're right. I still find it very impressive with all the 3 chucking he does.

Another part of it is many of the wild shots/layups he misses the refs are calling fouls so it doesn't count as a miss. His baiting/swipe throughs/arm grabbing is expert level for sure, but there's a bit of BS involved with the refs anticipating and just plain giving him those superstar calls.

I always feel funny complaining about it though when we benefited so much from the same thing in Manu's pre-prime and prime :lol 2005 floppy haired Manu set the standard. Harden is just the evolution.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Bullshit.

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

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Bullshit nothing, Spurs have won five rings and have been in the playoffs since 1999. The Spurs MAKE them give those awards or they risk losing credibility but guaranteed they wish Lebron or GSW was winning them.

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Originally Posted by skulls138

Bullshit nothing, Spurs have won five rings and have been in the playoffs since 1999. The Spurs MAKE them give those awards or they risk losing credibility but guaranteed they wish Lebron or GSW was winning them.

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Wishing it and allowing that wish to bias your work are two different things, plus you're just arguing by assertion. Show some evidence.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Kawhi has a FMVP and b2b DPOY awards. Pop has CotY award 3 times. There's no bias against the Spurs for anything other than highlight reels.

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The FMVP award has only once been given to a player on the losing team. The Spurs have 5 championships, they have 5 FMVP trophies, there's not much the NBA or the media can do about it...

Kawhi getting 2 DPOY awards was actually nice since one of them was really contested by Green and I'm still surprised they didn't give it to GSW. I'm over Duncan never getting it, as it's a secondary award that basically never goes to a player who is seriously being considered for the MVP (or has been). Bowen never getting it is mind-boggling.

Pop having 3 CotY is a joke yet he has the most in history shared with Riley and Nelson (Phil only has one). It's a consolation prize anyway.

Buford got EotY twice... when you see the schmucks who got it, often for trades that badly backfired, it's a joke again.

Joe Johnson has one fewer All-Star selection than Tony and Manu combined (despite having basically no MVP award shares). The Spurs have never had 3 players in the same ASG...

Most satisfying win so far, huh......

Loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bobo

To Lebron:

You love Pop right???

COME JOIN THE SPURS MAN!!!!! You and Kawhi could be the strongest duo in NBA history!!!!!

I think that Kawhi and Lebron together could definitely be in conversation against MJ/Pipplen for best all time duo.....

just my humble opinion gentlemen........

Incidentally, Grandmaster Pop shall coach both Kawhi and Lebron in the future US Olympic team!

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lobt2:

:claw

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Originally Posted by Kawhitstorm

Nothing would be sweeter than Harden winning MVP then Kawhi sonning him in the 2nd rd.

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Jazz surpass the Rockets before asg

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Originally Posted by will_spurs

The FMVP award has only once been given to a player on the losing team. The Spurs have 5 championships, they have 5 FMVP trophies, there's not much the NBA or the media can do about it...

Kawhi getting 2 DPOY awards was actually nice since one of them was really contested by Green and I'm still surprised they didn't give it to GSW. I'm over Duncan never getting it, as it's a secondary award that basically never goes to a player who is seriously being considered for the MVP (or has been). Bowen never getting it is mind-boggling.

Pop having 3 CotY is a joke yet he has the most in history shared with Riley and Nelson (Phil only has one). It's a consolation prize anyway.

Buford got EotY twice... when you see the schmucks who got it, often for trades that badly backfired, it's a joke again.

Joe Johnson has one fewer All-Star selection than Tony and Manu combined (despite having basically no MVP award shares). The Spurs have never had 3 players in the same ASG...

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Consolation prize? Consolation for what? Last time Pop won the CotY they won the Finals.

You're clueless.

His only real shot is if we somehow overtake the Dubs and therefore have the "best player on the best team" argument while at the same time Houston slips in the standing taking some of the luster off Harden

That said, I think KL takes it home sometime in the next 3 years.

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Originally Posted by DMC

KL's career average is slightly over 15PPG. Klay's is over 18PPG.

No go ahead and tell me that the past is unimportant because Kawhi wasn't the 1st option.

Stupid motherfucker.

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Damn, you are one big dumbfuck.

Tell me exactly what the fuck Kawhi's formative years have to do with who's better offensively right now?

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Damn, you are one big dumbfuck.

Tell me exactly what the fuck Kawhi's formative years have to do with who's better offensively right now?

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So NOW it's about right now. Is DeRozan a better offensive player than Steph Curry right now? Is he better than Lebron James right now? Is Isaiah Thomas better offensively than Steph or Durant?

You lost already.

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Originally Posted by DMC

So NOW it's about right now. Is DeRozan a better offensive player than Steph Curry right now? Is he better than Lebron James right now? Is Isaiah Thomas better offensively than Steph or Durant?

You lost already.

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Tell me why Klaynus is better instead of trying to deflect.

LeBron coasts at this point in his career, you've said that yourself. He has a scoring title under his belt. Steph and KD have recent scoring titles as well. The most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG. If I ignore your stupid attempt at a deflection, it's because it's stupid not because you have me cornered, dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Tell me why Klaynus is better instead of trying to deflect.

LeBron coasts at this point in his career, you've said that yourself. He has a scoring title under his belt. Steph and KD have recent scoring titles as well. The most Klaynus has ever averaged is 22.1 PPG. If I ignore your stupid attempt at a deflection, it's because it's stupid not because you have me cornered, dumbfuck.

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Lebron coasts: but Klay is 3rd option. Neither of them then need to score that many points to win. Either PPG is the indicator or it's not.

Scoring titles: That's the past again. It's either "right now" relevant or it's not.

Career average: Kawhi still has a lower career average than Klay

UT's D league there in SA didn't train you very well.

Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi? :lmao

2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to fucking forever 3rd wheel underperformer. :lmao

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Originally Posted by DMC

Lebron coasts: but Klay is 3rd option. Neither of them then need to score that many points to win. Either PPG is the indicator or it's not.

Scoring titles: That's the past again. It's either "right now" relevant or it's not.

Career average: Kawhi still has a lower career average than Klay

UT's D league there in SA didn't train you very well.

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Jesus, you're an insufferable faggot.

If Derozan or Thomas were averaging over 3 PPG more than KD, Curry, or LeBron ever did in their careers and were shooting 49/41/91 then yes you might have to start accepting the fact that they're better scorers. But they aren't. Kawhi OTOH is indeed doing that when compared to Klaynus, so stop with your idiotic deflections, fat hands.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Are people actually comparing Klay and Kawhi? :lmao

2nd in MVP voting last year and strong candidate for MVP. Comparing to fucking forever 3rd wheel underperformer. :lmao

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This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.

And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah. :lmao

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Originally Posted by FkLA

This moron actually said Klaynus is a 'much better offensive player right now'.

And yet has the audacity to act pompous afterwards, brah. :lmao

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:lmao

Harden, Kawhi, LeBron

Durant should never be in the conversation.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Jesus, you're an insufferable faggot.

If Derozan or Thomas were averaging over 3 PPG more than KD, Curry, or LeBron ever did in their careers and were shooting 49/41/91 then yes you might have to start accepting the fact that they're better scorers. But they aren't. Kawhi OTOH is indeed doing that when compared to Klaynus, so stop with your idiotic deflections, fat hands.

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Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".

Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.

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Originally Posted by DMC

Again you return to using the past as an indicator while earlier it was "right now".

Right now, is Isaiah Thomas a better scorer than Lebron James? Is he better than Kawhi? Kawhi's record seasonal high PPG on a complete season is just over 21ppg. That's what Klay has been averaging as a 3rd option. Go ahead and tell me again how those were the formative years, that this half of season trumps the past 5 years.

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Since when has Klay been a 3rd option apart from this season? Up until this season, he's been the second option after Curry. They were called the splash brothers for a reason. He was the second option or even a 1B up until last season when Curry broke out.