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Parker is not even in the same realm of ball dominance as Westbrook. Nice false analogy there. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Again, you're remembering all the times Parker is doing what you say (being ball dominant) and forgetting all the other times he's creating for the offense as whole. Again, it's out of an interest to jerk off to your favorite player's line.
I wonder why you sell Kawhi so short on offense. Obviously he isn't the best offensive player of the league but he's ONE OF THE BEST.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
He's a top 10 scorer and more efficient than 8 of those 10 guys.
Like if the Spurs will win games in playoffs without Kawhi being dominant and scoring a ton of points...Quote:
You just want to see him average 30. Cool. I want to win a title.
Myth. The ball doesn't "swing" when Mills enters. He throws it to Manu who often plays Magic Johnson with the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
It's another false perception from your lot that because Mills immediately dumps the ball to Manu, it "moves." Manu runs the offense similar to Parker.
Ain't as good as Curry nor Durant. All that matters. He might score 30. But Curry or Durant will score 30 or more. It's going to take a team wide contribution. Not just Kawhi doing Jordan impressions in the post at a high rate (which you fanboys love, obviously).Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
I remember when Pop let Harrison Barnes try to win games. :lol
Warriors would love the Spurs to let Cancer do the same. :lmao
Take the ball out of our best player.
Does it matter to what degree the concept is applied? It doesn't, because in gameplan situations you base things of "doing" or not "doing"Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
You're again ignoring every factual thing I say for a stupid, half assed "but you just him to score more" shitty argument. I already pointed out, this isn't unique to Kawhi..It's been evident with the multiple player combinations..Tyrke evans, Kobe, Westbrook, etc.
Are you purpusloey just ignoring every post you quote?
Again, Why Was Porker benched by Poop despite shooting 8-12 for Mills who wasnt hitting a basket abd was equally terrible on defense? I'm sure you're smart enough to answer that.
He doesn't want to admit defeat. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
That's exactly it. Pop wanted a different direction in offense and it almost led to an impressive comback. Mills cant playmake so the whats the natural result? You're starting to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Mid playing tetherball with Cosilapa...
http://i.imgur.com/MC6i83e.gif
bitchslapping him as he spins...
Kawhi is Curry, KD and MJ together for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
They aren't getting any offensive production from role players against good-elite teams...It's just KAWHI KAWHI KAWHI KAWHI and LMA.
And if someone wanted to post-up Kawhi against a smaller defender in tonight game...he was right.
Only a dumb like you can ignore it and go to Parker instead of exploiting that so favorable matchup that Kawhi had all game.
Bad news: doesn't matter if you go Kawhi in the post or implementing a more motion offense, we can't score with GS and we can't defend them (or the Mavs or the Pelicans).
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
You're not saying anything factual. It's all based off selective memory. I've proven time again with unedited video footage and screencaps that Parker "doesn't freeze out Kawhi," "doesn't overdribble," and doesn't do 90% of the things at the rate you helmets accuse of him doing. You take a singular situation (like Parker ignoring Kawhi during a possession) and extrapolate that over an entire game or even fuckin' season. The evidence doesn't support your idiotic claims. Is Parker guilty sometimes? Sure. But guess what? Every player in the NBA is guilty sometimes for being detrimental.
Your argument is also fuckin' incoherent nonsense, which is why I'm not paying too much attention to it. You keep claiming "Teams are taking away LMA and Kawhi as options and forcing Parker to be a hero!" Well guess what, dumbass, if that's what they're indeed doing, then the way you recreate spacing is to make your open fuckin' jumpers, whether it's Green knocking down open threes or Parker knocking down that 18 footer if defenses are packing. What? You want Parker to force passes through swarming defenses that are fronting LMA/Kawhi? The only results from that are: Turnover. Forced low percentage shot over multiple defenders.
If you want the game to "open up" for your precious mancrush, the Spurs are going to need Parker (and Green) to somewhat assert themselves as offensive threats, especially Parker. Running down and dumping the ball into Kawhi is too predictable of a scheme against good teams.
The team hasnt needed Parker against the cavs and multiple other games to open things up for their best players. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Again, why was porker benched by poop when in you'r world he was having a great game and mills was having a shitty game?
Stop trolling, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Like if the Spurs didn't beat Warriors, Cavs and many other teams this season doing it...Quote:
Running down and dumping the ball into Kawhi is too predictable of a scheme against good teams.
And what really irritates about the helmets is that they just simplify the whole situation to comically retarded levels.
Pespi Challenge.
What kind of offense do you want the Spurs to run?
"Post centric offense with Kawhi/LMA as the focus!"
Well, guess what. To run that kind of offense, you need shooters (to protect against double teams) and penetrators (to punish teams for cheating too much on the strong side and to a give-and-go option depending on how the defense reacts). Example:
http://hooptactics.net/freesite/offs...fense/ucla.php
"03" is Kawhi in that scenario.Quote:
The basic option is for the point guard 01 to make an entry pass to wing O3 and rub off O5's high post screen. 03 looks to feed O1 either for layup on basket cut or posting up against a weaker defender. If a good shot is not available for O1, wing O3 looks to make a reversal pass to O5 stepping out.
Mills is indeed a great shooter and can guard against double teams with his presence, but he can't do much else, especially assert himself as a penetration and cutting threat. He's also redundant to Danny, which is why Pop rarely has them on the floor together this season. I'll say again, if the helmets so badly want Mills in there, that means less time for Danny (another helmet favorite). Yeah. Let's kill the bench dynamic and remove a top wing defender so "Kiwi will be gibbed ball more :cry"
So now what?
"Um, pick-and-roll centric offense."
Needs a PG who is a good ball handler, penetrator, and finisher. Mills is none of those things.
"HORNS!"
Forces Kiwi to the corner, which you dolts don't like.
"Triangle!"
This makes more sense if you want Mills playing more with the starting unit. Despite Kobe's (and even Jordan's) sabotaging of it, the Triangle is traditionally an anti-ball dominant offense that requires all 5 players on the floor to be proficient passers so the ball doesn't stick. And the Triangle is typically initiated by a wing player (Kawhi is this case) who starts the play through a low-post player (LMA/Gasol).
Some say it's an antiquated offense, so...
Sorry, helmets. There's really no other option to get the hated Parker off the floor unless Murray blossoms. You're just going to have to deal with it, and given the Spurs' offensive ranking this season and your mancrush's season PPG, I don't think there's much of a problem. The woes have been on the defense end the last two games. But that's Parker's fault, too :lol
In 3 pages, NO ONE said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Most guys said they want the Spurs to exploit favorable matchups, Kawhi had one in the post tonight. That doesn't mean that every game should be the same way.
Also, most guys said they don't want that Parker takes more shots than Kawhi and LMA entering the 4th quarter.
But you're stupid enough to say that Parker 'probing' and missing in the paint is a better option that Kawhi against a smaller defender in the post.
The Cavs lost to the Pelicans and Kings and gave up 116 to the worst team in the league in the 3 games following. I find it funny you're using that game as THE benchmark for your argument. Poop's been subbing in Mills lately at that time in the 4th over the past few games. One time it resulted in the other team going on like a 9-1 run :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
http://oi66.tinypic.com/o947eh.jpg
Pop's very mechanical in his sub patterns. Him subbing in Mills there isn't a new thing and wasn't "improvised."
And did you forget that Kawhi's 30/60% streak was WITH Parker? That doesn't count, though, right?
Come off that fuckin' myth. Kawhi also got to the line, dipshit. Raw FGA :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
And quit using strawmans. I never said Parker probing is a better option. I'm saying you need your PG to be a penetration option. Every other top team has that. It's a necessity today.
And sometimes players get ignored. Get the fuck over it. Parker doesn't ignore ":cry "muh Kiwi" anymore than any other PG ignores a player. And compared to someone like Westbrook, he's a fuckin' saint on that end.
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Originally Posted by YGWHI
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
The Spurs don't have many offensive threats like other elite teams, they have just two... They can't afford the luxury of ignoring their leading scorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Which is exactly why you need to figure out how to make other players into offensive threats. I don't know where you're getting the idea that Kawhi and LMA are even remotely enough firepower, even at their best, against Golden State?Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
This is the problem with having no legit 3rd option:
Teams will let Kawhi and LMA get theirs and stay home on everyone else (i.e. what the Spurs used to do against D'Antoni's Suns. Let Nash and Amare play a two man game and shut down their shooters).
Or teams will pack and swarm Kawhi and LMA, taking away their spacing and ball denying them, which forces other players to step up (i.e. how Phil Jackson beat the Spurs in '04. He just swarmed Duncan and Tony, who were killing them, forcing Hedo, Bowen, Horry to make shots. And Manu was still a role player during that time, so he wasn't used enough to open things back up).
Golden State's 3rd option scored 60 in 29 minutes. Think about that for a second.
All the Spurs need is just one guard to open things up for everyone else...It's a shame how awful this team's guard rotation is.
Free Murray.