Danny + Patty + Anthony for Butler...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

His body language says "I don't care about anything" all around, IMO. But we discussed this already, tbh...

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Maybe, but making assumptions based on one's body language and what you or the masses would consider to be "normal" in a given situation, is foolish. Everyone is different and reacts to things differently.

I don't think he doesn't care, but I also don't think he cares as much as the big three, Leonard, Green, Mills, etc.

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Originally Posted by Benoit

hahahah Butler would be equal to Kiwi in Pops system but Bulls are going to trade him for role players??? haha the Homers on this site

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Originally Posted by ElNono

They've been trying to do that since Rose left, and it's clearly not working. Both him and Wade got into a spat with the coach recently. Plus you have Rondo there with his cancerous ways.

I think that team is on the verge of blowing it up and starting over.

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yeah but even so they'd start over with butler tbh

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Originally Posted by elemento

That's a terrible deal for the Bulls

Boston could easily beat that offer.

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This.^
I don't think bulls bite on that. Spurs don't even have a middle of the road 1st round pick to try to sweeten the deal.
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Nono:

I don't think that's enough... though trades for stars are usually never equitable. It's just both guys are role players who help a team in win now mode. There's not even a young player thrown in there and don't say Anderson that's obviously not going to get it done.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

I'm far more concerned with Aldridge. I'd actually go so far as to say it's alarming, that instead of him raising his play after being snubbed (and make no mistake, he was, given his reputation and team success, which have generally trumped merit for fringe candidates), he's struggled mightily.

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Far more than blaming role players one has to look at Aldridge I agree (though some roleplayers may have slumped or played poorly on defense, which is unforgivable bc you don't control a shot going in but you can control your defense).

Still Lamarcus has been bad two games in a row predictably resulting in losses. In the past others bailed Lamarcus pedestrian effort but without Pau he has to step up. Last season without Tim he did step up, this season? No.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Far more than blaming role players one has to look at Aldridge I agree (though some roleplayers may have slumped or played poorly on defense, which is unforgivable bc you don't control a shot going in but you can control your defense).

Still Lamarcus has been bad two games in a row predictably resulting in losses. In the past others bailed Lamarcus pedestrian effort but without Pau he has to step up. Last season without Tim he did step up, this season? No.

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While I agree in theory, the role players on the Spurs (other than an occasional Dedmon sighting) aren't even close to being good defenders. An occasional good game defensively or a player missing uncontested jumpers doesn't make you a good defender. The Spurs are actually starting a scrub at sg that would probably average 10 mpg on a contender unless he was going through one of his unconscious stretches where he was hitting everything in sight. This team has more holes than a pound of swiss cheese.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Maybe, but making assumptions based on one's body language and what you or the masses would consider to be "normal" in a given situation, is foolish. Everyone is different and reacts to things differently.

I don't think he doesn't care, but I also don't think he cares as much as the big three, Leonard, Green, Mills, etc.

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I said it's just my opinion, I'm ok with people disagreeing. Its difficult for Spursfan regardless after getting used to 10+ years of TD...

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Nono:

I don't think that's enough... though trades for stars are usually never equitable. It's just both guys are role players who help a team in win now mode. There's not even a young player thrown in there and don't say Anderson that's obviously not going to get it done.

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That's fine. I should probably not have done this thread after a loss, tbh, kinda surprised nobody threw around the cliffjumper moniker yet...

I do think those contracts (Mills + Danny) are the only realistic 'assets' the Spurs have if they do want to make a trade with any teeth... Pau might be there too, but I think Pop likes him...

Have to throw Bertans in the mix to get the Bulls even thinking to bite.

Bulls traded Rose and said bye to Gasol to keep him happy but it didn't matter, Jimmy was still a locker room cancer in this season...That's why he came off the bench in last game against Miami for his issues with the coach.

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Originally Posted by ViceCity86

Have to throw Bertans in the mix to get the Bulls even thinking to bite.

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Insanity right here. Bertans was part part of the trade that keeps on giving.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

That's fine. I should probably not have done this thread after a loss, tbh, kinda surprised nobody threw around the cliffjumper moniker yet...

I do think those contracts (Mills + Danny) are the only realistic 'assets' the Spurs have if they do want to make a trade with any teeth... Pau might be there too, but I think Pop likes him...

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Understandable... I didn't think it was a cliffhanger thread. I am not a fan of Jimmy Buckets either but he's young and in a good contract considering.

Pau and Tony are old meantime, Manu also old and I think he's retiring, and Lamarcus is starting to be very unreliable despite still a player that should be producing like he's in his prime. Opportunistic trades like Butler are what the Spurs need to look at.

Also I used to think the Spurs were going to prioritize reupping Mills but that is probably not going to be done at any cost and Mills will get paid elsewhere. Spurs keeping Bryn Forbes in the fridge tells us they are getting ready to replace his shooting if they need to and Bertans looks like just a similar type in being a microwave scorer off the bench if they needs him to next season. Murray is the future.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Bulls traded Rose and said bye to Gasol to keep him happy but it didn't matter, Jimmy was still a locker room cancer in this season...That's why he came off the bench in last game against Miami for his issues with the coach.

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This is exactly why I thought it might be viable... I think he's ready to move on, and with this tendency to join 'superteams', I figured maybe he maybe would bite...

If Chicago moves him, I would have to think they tank immediately and start rebuilding, right?

I'm at the point where I don't want to see Mills or Green become Spurs for the rest of their careers. See if you can make something happen.

Lol never happen, especially not for fodder like that.

Besides, the Spurs had their chance to draft Jimmy Butler, but elected for Cory Joseph instead.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

Besides, the Spurs had their chance to draft Jimmy Butler, but elected for Cory Joseph instead.

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At least, CoJo has been a decent point guard in the East, especially in last playoffs...I wouldn't say the same of our two main PGs.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

This is exactly why I thought it might be viable... I think he's ready to move on, and with this tendency to join 'superteams', I figured maybe he maybe would bite...

If Chicago moves him, I would have to think they tank immediately and start rebuilding, right?

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I get it. Also, I'm willing to trade Green, Mills or any other Spur not named Kawhi and Murray for the right pieces.

But the Spurs already have many problems, why they would want to have a bigger issue adding Butler to their locker room?

Can Butler play PG? If so, I would dump every PG on the team, try and sign Chalmers and run with Butler and Chalmers at PG.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

I get it. Also, I'm willing to trade Green, Mills or any other Spur not named Kawhi and Murray for the right pieces.

But the Spurs already have many problems, why they would want to have a bigger issue adding Butler to their locker room?

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You would hope Pop could reign him in... would you take the chance or not?

Saw the topic title and thought "Caron Butler" for some reason and thought Nono lost his fucking mind :lmao

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You would hope Pop could reign him in... would you take the chance or not?

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Since 2013 I don't expect anything from Pop. Sorry, I LOVE him but he's done.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

You would hope Pop could reign him in... would you take the chance or not?

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I think Bulls don't bite as I posted but I would do it. The main guys on the team are old other than Kawhi, and Lamarcus is a headscratcher with his unreliability right now. Murray is too young that Pop is not even playing him when his other guards are available... though after this loss, he maybe gets a look in the next game (I hope). The coasting has to stop. Butler has a strong work ethic and he has not been a cancer his entire career. Bulls have issues with Rondo there too (a real known cancer)... his franchise tried to move him after they didn't want to pay him to begin with (ppl forget that). I would do the trade.

Ignoring the obvious intention of this thread(pretty obvious :lol) and Nono being fully aware of the lack of plausibility, Green and Mills have been solid in their roles, despite their recent slumps..looking at the season as a whole, they have done their jobs very well..

I don't know if I've ever seen a fan base blame role players for their troubles more than Spurs fans:lol many people here don't seem to watch the NBA outside of the Spurs..Green and Mills are cold right now, they'll get hot later, we literally do this every single season on this forum:lol

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Originally Posted by Ice009

Can Butler play PG? If so, I would dump every PG on the team, try and sign Chalmers and run with Butler and Chalmers at PG.

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Well, this is other story.

If Pop plays Butler, Simms, Kawhi, Dedmon/Lee and LMA? I take it. With Parker coming off the bench. Because Pop won't trade TP and I'd hate Chalmers here.