How much will Simmons get in the offseason?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Could see a 1+1 MLE deal, but I think he'll get better offers. Him taking them would probably depend on how the Spurs see him factoring into their future plans. Right now, he's the replacement for Manu. But if he can hang out another year, he might be the replacement for Green. While I don't think starting is a big deal for Simmons, I'd assume the pay increase that comes with that would be.

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If I am his agent no way I take one and one.. just no way. I throw that in RC's face. He needs a multi year deal...even two years with the the third a team option is ok... it no way a one and one... just no way.

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Originally Posted by Blake

If he leaves he'll dissappear into obscurity imo

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I could see him having a Gary Nealesque career after the spurs.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

If I am his agent no way I take one and one.. just no way. I throw that in RC's face. He needs a multi year deal...even two years with the the third a team option is ok... it no way a one and one... just no way.

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The option would be a PO.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

The option would be a PO.

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Yea sorry about my mistake. I just think there's no way he takes 1 and 1... I just can't see it. My premise was that he shows in the playoffs obviously. If he's pedestrian he won't raise the interest I think he can raise from some team

About tree fiddy

So you're saying there's a chance for a one year deal?

i'm cool if he walks, so long as Mills and Dedmon are resigned. Murray could fill the backup SG minutes on the second unit with Mills, Anderson, Bertans/Lee , and Dedmon.

Murray gets a rotation spot with 18-20 mpg with a chance to really show what he can do.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

With a good playoff performance he gets more... qualifier: he has to show up in the playoffs.

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:pop: Don't worry...I'll make sure that doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by cd021

i'm cool if he walks, so long as Mills and Dedmon are resigned. Murray could fill the backup SG minutes on the second unit with Mills, Anderson, Bertans/Lee , and Dedmon.

Murray gets a rotation spot with 18-20 mpg with a chance to really show what he can do.

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I'd rather lose Mills than Simmons. Mills is just another in the line of good shooters that has a great year or two and then regresses. Assuming the system encourages ball movement, I think he's easier to replace.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

He isn't going to get much IMO, you can find a Simmons on virtually every team..his defense has improved to the point where he can be considered legitimately good, but he has been a relatively poor offensive player with limited consistency(52% TS, poor assist to turnover ratio, does most of his damage vs. bad teams or against 2nd/3rd stringers)..

I like him in an energy role for the Spurs where he plays 10 MPG, though..

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I don't disagree with the logic. The second huge bump in the cap next year probably means that things won't be logical. Boban got what... 3 years/$21M? It's not hard to picture someone throwing some pretty stupid money at Simmons.

If he does re-sign for a price the Spurs are happy with, I don't see him being cut down to a 10 MPG role. It would have to be on hell of an offseason for them to be able to do that.

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

The spurs won't be able to afford him..He probably gets around 6-8/ year.

Is it possible to sign and trade RFAs? Can we sign and trade him for lou williams? They can also get Kyle Anderson and second round pick...

Should help the lakers..imo.

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it doesn't look like a team can sign and trade a RFA.

In the National Basketball Association, a sign-and-trade agreement is a type of contract (allowed by the collective bargaining agreement [CBA]) wherein one franchise/team signs an unrestricted free agent player to a new contract, only to then immediately trade him to another team (of the player's choosing). This is typically done to enable the player to obtain a higher salary and/or greater number of years on their contract than NBA salary cap rules ordinarily allow the destination team, itself, to provide the player.^[1]

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

it doesn't look like a team can sign and trade a RFA.

In the National Basketball Association, a sign-and-trade agreement is a type of contract (allowed by the collective bargaining agreement [CBA]) wherein one franchise/team signs an unrestricted free agent player to a new contract, only to then immediately trade him to another team (of the player's choosing). This is typically done to enable the player to obtain a higher salary and/or greater number of years on their contract than NBA salary cap rules ordinarily allow the destination team, itself, to provide the player.^[1]

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Thanks. I'm not infrormed with contract details and CBA.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Yea sorry about my mistake. I just think there's no way he takes 1 and 1... I just can't see it. My premise was that he shows in the playoffs obviously. If he's pedestrian he won't raise the interest I think he can raise from some team

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That makes sense. But what also makes sense is that the most Simmons is likely to earn next year is the MLE, whether than is as part of a one-year deal, multi-year MLE deal or an Arenas RFA deal. The only team that can pay him more than that is SA. So if he signs, say a $40M/4 Arenas deal, he'd get like 5/6/14/15. That's good money, but if he took the one-and-one, he'd give the same next year and then be an RFA without Arenas restriction and another season under his belt. Dude could get Bazemore money.

So that's $75M/5 rather than $40M/4, and he'd have the same starting salary in either case. It would really depend on how he would feel about having another season to prove himself in a bigger role.

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

it doesn't look like a team can sign and trade a RFA.

In the National Basketball Association, a sign-and-trade agreement is a type of contract (allowed by the collective bargaining agreement [CBA]) wherein one franchise/team signs an unrestricted free agent player to a new contract, only to then immediately trade him to another team (of the player's choosing). This is typically done to enable the player to obtain a higher salary and/or greater number of years on their contract than NBA salary cap rules ordinarily allow the destination team, itself, to provide the player.^[1]

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Yes, you can S&T RFAs. Even if they had to be UFAs for it to happen, the team could just withdraw the QO in facilitate the move.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, you can S&T RFAs. Even if they had to be UFAs for it to happen, the team could just withdraw the QO in facilitate the move.

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Wouldnt that be considered tampering? No?

If manu retires after this season Simmons would probably love a one year deal so he can showcase himself in that role

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That makes sense. But what also makes sense is that the most Simmons is likely to earn next year is the MLE, whether than is as part of a one-year deal, multi-year MLE deal or an Arenas RFA deal. The only team that can pay him more than that is SA. So if he signs, say a $40M/4 Arenas deal, he'd get like 5/6/14/15. That's good money, but if he took the one-and-one, he'd give the same next year and then be an RFA without Arenas restriction and another season under his belt. Dude could get Bazemore money.

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Didn't they flatten the money/years in the new CBA? Or was it only for teams matching the offer?

I doubt he'd get anything near that though, unless he's phenomenal in the playoffs. Something like Ramon Sessions money - 2/12 mil or 3/20 at best.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, you can S&T RFAs. Even if they had to be UFAs for it to happen, the team could just withdraw the QO in facilitate the move.

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in that case once the qualifying offer is withdrawn the player would become an unrestricted free agent and the team can then sign and trade that player??

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

Wouldnt that be considered tampering? No?

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With whom and against whom? All three parties are aware of what's going on here. It would be the same thing the Spurs did with Neal and Cory, but they'd do an S&T instead of just letting the guy walk. But straight S&Ts for RFAs happen regardless.

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Originally Posted by TXstbobcat

in that case once the qualifying offer is withdrawn the player would become an unrestricted free agent and the team can then sign and trade that player??

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Yes, but I also want to say that you can just S&T an RFA. I think the CBA FAQ was just ambiguous there.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

Didn't they flatten the money/years in the new CBA? Or was it only for teams matching the offer?

I doubt he'd get anything near that though, unless he's phenomenal in the playoffs. Something like Ramon Sessions money - 2/12 mil or 3/20 at best.

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I know they were supposed to change the way the Arenas rule worked, but I heard nothing specific. The MLE is supposed to increase, but not all at once. It'll take a few years before it grows to actually reflect the new cap reality.

I think he's gone, especially if he has one memorable playoff game that approaches what he did in the opener. Some scrub team will offer him silly money the Spurs won't match. Given his age I can see Pop giving him the same speech he gave Boban. Go take the money. Simmons, with 5 kids, probably wouldn't even need that speech.

If he under perfoms the rest of the season we may be able to keep him, but then, if that were the case, we might not wish to do so.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, but I also want to say that you can just S&T an RFA. I think the CBA FAQ was just ambiguous there.

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thank you for CBA rules clarification.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

That makes sense. But what also makes sense is that the most Simmons is likely to earn next year is the MLE, whether than is as part of a one-year deal, multi-year MLE deal or an Arenas RFA deal. The only team that can pay him more than that is SA. So if he signs, say a $40M/4 Arenas deal, he'd get like 5/6/14/15. That's good money, but if he took the one-and-one, he'd give the same next year and then be an RFA without Arenas restriction and another season under his belt. Dude could get Bazemore money.

So that's $75M/5 rather than $40M/4, and he'd have the same starting salary in either case. It would really depend on how he would feel about having another season to prove himself in a bigger role.

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That's one point and nuance I am not familiar with so I thank your input.

At his age I don't know if it's wise to gamble on himself like that. He could have a down season next, an injury, heck I'd rather it doesn't happen for the teams sake, but he could bomb out without Ginobili (I think that's HarlemHeat37 point mostly about the role he thinks Simms could do well). It's a legit concern bc he's got the short track record.

I have seen young guys just wanting to get their first multi year deal even if it's Arenas type. That's still millions. Bc he's just older though, after that deal is done he likely doesn't get another like it... so it's tough to say. I would not advise him to bet on himself for an even bigger contract after the one year... but maybe he's full of confidence and thinks he can be even better with more opportunities without Manu in the fold for example.

I think he goes for the multi year deal and puts some pressure on the Spurs with some other team offers.

I'm hearing a lot about his age :lol

He'll be the same age as Danny when he got the 4/40M deal... people are overblowing that shit lmfao