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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
I have no idea who this reporter, Serge Kovalski [sic], is, what he looks like or his level of intelligence. I don’t know if he is J.J. Watt or Muhammad Ali in his prime or somebody of less athletic or physical ability. Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.
I merely mimicked what I thought would be a flustered reporter trying to get out of a statement he made long ago. If Mr. Kovaleski is handicapped, I would not know because I do not know what he looks like. If I did know, I would definitely not say anything about his appearance.
Trump’s claims to non-memory were widely considered to be disingenuous, as
Kovaleski had covered Trump extensively while working for the Daily News from 1987 to 1993 and had interviewed and talked to the business magnate numerous times during that period:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/28/don...bled-reporter/
Trump said he didn't.
Given Trump's track record, that should be enough to be highly skeptical of that claim.
On balance it is pretty obvious if you watch the entire clip, what the intent was. The hand gesture was not accidental.
yeah and if you watch the entire clip i showed you, it's a repeated behavior, not one specific to the reporter
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Pavlov
The team trying to collude with Russia? :lol Yes, the Trump team that had multiple secret contacts with members of the Russian government they later lied about including an attempt to use information from the Russian government agents to influence the 2016 election were indeed under some sort of surveillance. That could simply mean they were caught on tape contacting the Russians who were already under surveillance.
What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
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Show me the law. I could answer better then.
Also, is there anything else to your theory at all?
I don't need to show you a law that says disseminating information to the media from information gathered from a FISA warrant is illegal, you already know that.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
I have no idea who this reporter, Serge Kovalski [sic], is, what he looks like or his level of intelligence. I don’t know if he is J.J. Watt or Muhammad Ali in his prime or somebody of less athletic or physical ability. Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.
I merely mimicked what I thought would be a flustered reporter trying to get out of a statement he made long ago. If Mr. Kovaleski is handicapped, I would not know because I do not know what he looks like. If I did know, I would definitely not say anything about his appearance.
Trump’s claims to non-memory were widely considered to be disingenuous, as
Kovaleski had covered Trump extensively while working for the Daily News from 1987 to 1993 and had interviewed and talked to the business magnate numerous times during that period:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/28/don...bled-reporter/
Trump said he didn't.
Given Trump's track record, that should be enough to be highly skeptical of that claim.
On balance it is pretty obvious if you watch the entire clip, what the intent was. The hand gesture was not accidental.
:rollin
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
did you fall for the JK Rowling video too? :rollin
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
I've given you my theory. Ask ten more times and see if it changes.
It will change as soon as someone tells you to change it.
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Your timeline is off again.
Nope. You won't bother to try to correct me, so don't act like you're right.
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I don't even understand what you are trying to say about Fusion GPS and I was talking about Seth Rich long before Butkowski and Rod Wheeler were talking about it.
:lol you don't even see Butkowski is doing the same thing your Great Satan Fusion GPS does. This proves you are either easy to fool or hopelessly biased.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
Since the dossier was all about suspicious contacts with the Russian government, it looks completely justified at this point -- considering, you know, all the suspicious contacts with the Russian government they ended up tracking.
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I don't need to show you a law that says disseminating information to the media from information gathered from a FISA warrant is illegal, you already know that.
Still would like to see the law. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
It will change as soon as someone tells you to change it.
Nope. You won't bother to try to correct me, so don't act like you're right.
:lol you don't even see Butkowski is doing the same thing your Great Satan Fusion GPS does.
Open your ST notebook and pull up when I started discussing Seth Rich and then compare that to when Butkowski started up on it. For someone who claims to have such a great memory your timelines sure get messed up often.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Open your ST notebook and pull up when I started discussing Seth Rich and then compare that to when Butkowski started up on it. For someone who claims to have such a great memory your timelines sure get messed up often.
You always make it personal when you're flustered.
Of course you were told to pimp the Seth Rich amateur serial killer assassination theory before Butkowski's role was known. You were simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. And you have.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
:lol Like he was going to veto that bill and get crushed in an override vote.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
Since the dossier was all about suspicious contacts with the Russian government, it looks completely justified at this point -- considering, you know, all the suspicious contacts with the Russian government they ended up tracking.
You failed to answer all three questions. Try again. What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
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Still would like to see the law. Thanks in advance.
Google it? I'm not digging through the US code to prove to you that leaking information to the press from a FISA warrant is illegal.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
You always make it personal when you're flustered.
Of course you were told to pimp the Seth Rich amateur serial killer assassination theory before Butkowski's role was known. You were simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. And you have.
Timeline is off, recompute.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
Where is RandomGuy and his easily testable theory?
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
You failed to answer all three questions. Try again. What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
It seems really important to you so go ahead and say what you want to say. I will say what I mean: It turns out that whatever surveillance happened is completely justified by the admitted actions of the Trump team and the people with whom they chose to associate.
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Google it? I'm not digging through the US code to prove to you that leaking information to the press from a FISA warrant is illegal.
:lol you did that for Hillary -- or were you just told what they were?
And yes, it's your claim so I will wait for you to prove it.
Or you could just come out and give us your grand conspiracy theory you have been told to pimp. It gets pretty boring just watching you relentlessly spread innuendo and not commit to anything. I know you have been royally burned in the past but you don't seem to have learned from it anyway -- so out with it.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Timeline is off, recompute.
Nope. Give your theory or give up.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
Nope. Give your theory or give up.
It's your timeline. You claimed I was simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. Your claim falls apart when you look at the dates of my posts and when Butkowski started trying to push his story.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
It seems really important to you so go ahead and say what you want to say. I will say what I mean: It turns out that whatever surveillance happened is completely justified by the admitted actions of the Trump team and the people with whom they chose to associate.
You failed to answer all three questions, again. Try again, again. What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Where is
RandomGuy and his easily testable theory?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2cKi4PwpyR...therfucker.gif
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djohn2oo8
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.
The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.
Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.
Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.
Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin
Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump
Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.
Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.
This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.
Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.
The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)
Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.
Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.
He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.
If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.
Here comes the test.
Prediction:
Trump will veto, or actively attempt to undermine the sanctions in any way he can.
Russians have already threatened to retaliate.
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resident Trump on Wednesday grudgingly signed legislation toughening sanctions on Russia over its interference in the 2016 election, but ripped into the law and mocked its authors in Congress as he vowed to pursue better relations with Moscow.
The “Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act,” which also imposes punitive measures against Iran and North Korea, had sailed through the House and Senate by near-unanimous, veto-proof margins. At the same time, the legislation had drawn angry criticisms from European allies, notably over concerns it would cripple ongoing energy projects, and from Russia.
In a pair of statements, Trump condemned the law as a “significantly flawed” policy that risks damaging U.S. foreign policy and contains “clearly unconstitutional provisions” that improperly encroach on his presidential powers.
He also signaled he might not enforce it as vigorously as its authors intended.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sig...161349886.html
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
Trump's hand was forced by the veto-proof majority, and near-unanimous vote.
He had to sign it in order not to look weak and have his veto over-ridden, but has attempted to undermine it in any way he can, which is to criticize it, and state his intention not to enforce it, insomuch as is in his power.
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Trump has also been stymied in his attempts to communicate with Putin directly.
This theory predicts that he will attempt to curry favor with Putin, and let Putin know he is on his side.
This theory explains his 2 hour long official talk with Putin, that was originally scheduled for 30 minutes, as well as his desperate attempt to talk to him without anyone else present at the G20.
http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...-large-169.jpg
These actions are consistent with the "compromised" theory.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
It's your timeline. You claimed I was simply told to believe Butkowski's media plants without reservation. Your claim falls apart when you look at the dates of my posts and when Butkowski started trying to push his story.
Timeline:
1) You already were told to pimp amateur serial killer hit theory.
2) You were also told to accept Butkowski without reservation.
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Originally Posted by
TSA
You failed to answer all three questions, again. Try again, again. What documents did the FBI use to obtain the FISA warrant after being denied the first time? Who composed said documents and who paid for said documents the FBI used?
All these questions are moot to me now that the Trump team's admitted contacts with Russian agents have justified any surveillance. No matter the origin, the concern was and is real.
All this stuff is super important to you however, so tell everyone reading all about it. Commit to something.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
Pavlov
Timeline:
1) You already were told to pimp amateur serial killer hit theory.
2) You were also told to accept Butkowski without reservation.
:lol "told"
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
All these questions are moot to me now that the Trump team's admitted contacts with Russian agents have justified any surveillance. No matter the origin, the concern was and is real.
All this stuff is super important to you however, so tell everyone reading all about it. Commit to something.
:lol You really really don't want to answer the questions. Where's that cute stonewall picture when you need it.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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RandomGuy
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
RandomGuy
Yeah like he handled healthcare. This moron is liable to get us all killed.
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Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by
TSA
:lol "told"
Pretty much. You read something on 4chan or ar15 and it's your position; except when someone asks you directly what your position is.
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:lol You really really don't want to answer the questions. Where's that cute stonewall picture when you need it.
I told you it's all moot to me at this point so I really don't care anymore. You have to make me care by telling me why it's critically important now. I want to skip the games and see what you're pretending you would eventually get at. Matters of fact I will gladly accept. You really really don't want to say what you really think happened and incessant questions are just another stonewall tactic.
Prove me wrong. Save us another day of this and tell us your grand theory.
