Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Reck
Yep. It's crazy the amount of fuckery you will come accross reading about Trump's dealings with some russians oligarchs right around the time he was about to go completely out of business.
All of a sudden he was up and running again. That kind of quick turn around of fortunes doesn't just happen.
Are Trumps statements on the forced reduction of Embassy staff in Moscow consistent with my theory?
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.
The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.
Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.
Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.
Fact 3: Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin
Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump
Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.
Fact 6:
Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.
Theory: Donald Trump has been compromised in some way.
Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about. This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.
Prediction: Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.
The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)
Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.
Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.
He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.
If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.
"Trump warns of 'dangerous low' in Russia relations" See Fact #3 http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/po...tin-sanctions/
This statement is consistent with the theory and was predicted by it.
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The veto-proof sanctions bill on Russia from Congress forced him to do something. His signing statement says that his administration will ignore or attempt to bypass as much as possible. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tex...ill-2017-08-02
This action is consistent with the theory, and predicted by it.
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Trumps newest Russian statements go out of their way to be obsequious and servile.
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Originally Posted by President Golfy McVroom Vroom
“As far as I'm concerned I'm very thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll,” Trump said at a briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey on Thursday.
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
You can tell the Russia probe is getting to people when they say it's falling apart every day since it started. DickMo is just confirming.
08-18-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
You can tell the Russia probe is getting to people when they say it's falling apart every day since it started. DickMo is just confirming.
Pretty much.
It is the lie that sticks in people's head, even after they know it is a lie.
08-18-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
I bet Sater, Manafort, Flynn have been shown the govt's irrefutable evidence of felonies, and have already or are negotiating plea deals to rat out Trash, his kids, his companies, all tied to Russian $100Ms, and maybe Rep of Georgia.
Hilarious if Wilbur Ross went down also for his Cyprus/Russian involvement.
08-18-2017
RandomGuy
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Reck
Yep. It's crazy the amount of fuckery you will come accross reading about Trump's dealings with some russians oligarchs right around the time he was about to go completely out of business.
All of a sudden he was up and running again. That kind of quick turn around of fortunes doesn't just happen.
What will ultimately be ironic is that Trumps business acumen consisted of looking the other way when no one else would touch this shit with a 10 foot pole.
That isn't business sense. That is the exact opposite.
08-18-2017
boutons_deux
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
Republican Congressmen Just Met Assange To Suggest Trump Will Pardon Crimes Against Hillary
suggest that Donald Trump could pardon the Wikileaks publisher if he is charged with crimes for his role in harming Hillary Clinton’s campaign on behalf of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.
the House GOP Foreign Affairs Committee member wants to give complete legal immunity to the very person who assisted his party in last year’s election by spreading stolen Democratic National Committee emails for Republican propaganda purposes.
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?
08-18-2017
clambake
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?
never cared about that.
follow the money
08-18-2017
Pavlov
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
:lol Chris asks this shit every day.
Then he says Hitler did nothing wrong.
08-18-2017
Chris
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by clambake
follow the money
I agree tbh
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
:lol Chris asks this shit every day.
Then he says Hitler did nothing wrong.
Why can't you answer a simple question?
08-18-2017
djohn2oo8
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?
17 Intel agencies.
08-18-2017
Pavlov
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
I agree tbh
Why can't you answer a simple question?
My answer is the same as every time you ask your stupid question. There is definitely enough that has been proved to happen to justify an investigation.
Which is happening.
08-18-2017
Clipper Nation
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
17 Intel agencies.
Wrong:
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A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump's deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year's presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.
If the main agency that oversees all the organizations is saying yes, you can assume they speak for the rest.
Either way, I would just go with the consensus that the 4 main Intelligence Agencies affirms Russia meddled. I mean, what can the Coast Guard say about hacking? That's not their main job.
08-18-2017
Chris
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
My answer is the same as every time you ask your stupid question. There is definitely enough that has been proved to happen to justify an investigation.
Which is happening.
Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.
08-18-2017
Reck
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.
Prove he is.
08-18-2017
Pavlov
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.
Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.
Proved.
08-18-2017
Chris
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.
Proved.
Yup, and no dirt was delivered. Nothingburger.
08-18-2017
Pavlov
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Chris
Yup, and no dirt was delivered. Nothingburger.
This is what the investigation is for.
08-18-2017
Reck
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
So Chris cant say whether it's true that Mueller is wasting his time then?
08-18-2017
TSA
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.
Proved.
What crime was committed with the meeting?
08-18-2017
TSA
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
If the main agency that oversees all the organizations is saying yes, you can assume they speak for the rest.
Either way, I would just go with the consensus that the 4 main Intelligence Agencies affirms Russia meddled. I mean, what can the Coast Guard say about hacking? That's not their main job.
In saying nothing, the Coast Guard had a better assessment than the agencies that said the DNC was hacked.
08-18-2017
Pavlov
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by TSA
What crime was committed with the meeting?
This is what investigations are for.
Jesus, I have to hold your hand like Chris.
I'm content to let the investigation go where it may. Enough has happened to warrant it. Sorry.
08-18-2017
TSA
Re: Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
This is what investigations are for.
Jesus, I have to hold your hand like Chris.
I'm content to let the investigation go where it may. Enough has happened to warrant it. Sorry.
What crime "might" have been committed with the meeting?
