the suns at most will get 7th seed this season, i think...
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the suns at most will get 7th seed this season, i think...
I agree. I think they will get the 7th seed.
There actually are several free agent PF/C options out there that Phoenix might be able to use -- maybe more when training camp cuts are made.
Is his injury more serious then duncans or kidds? Cose we both know what happen to these two guys after knee injury....yeh duncan went on to win 2 rings after that surgey he is superman
Is his injury more serious then duncans or kidds? Cose we both know what happen to these two guys after knee injury....yeh duncan went on to win 2 rings after that surgery he is superman
This is far more serious than Duncan's injury/surgery. It's similar to Jason Kidd's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Here's a good article about it. He'll have to be very lucky to be back in four months ...
Microfracture might mean big trouble for Amare
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/traini...arc&id=2188422
This would be a fine time for Amare Stoudemire to reaffirm how truly amazing he can be.
To recover from microfracture surgery in a mere four months, as the Phoenix Suns' medical staff projects, Stoudemire might have to be more freakish than ever.
For no one in the NBA has ever rebounded that quickly from hole-drilling in the knee.
Tuesday brought word of the season's first major injury and, sadly, it's a doozy. With the Suns hope that they wouldn't lose the future of their franchise for more than a month, Stoudemire wound up having a surgery that quickly proceeded from exploratory to serious and promptly landed him on a team no one wants to join:
The All-Microfracture Team.
It features Jason Kidd and Allan Houston at the guards, Jamal Mashburn and Chris Webber at the forwards and Stoudemire, blessed with the potential to be better than any of those guys at their best, suddenly at center.
It sounds like an All-Star team, but it's actually a collection of famous names that has mostly encountered long, painful recoveries from a procedure that has returned only Kidd to the vicinity of peak form.
The good news?
Stoudemire is only 22. The defect that led to the surgery, furthermore, is considered far smaller and less serious than the original injuries which plagued Kidd, Houston, Mashburn and Webber. The Suns thus contend that they're taking an aggressive course to prevent a problem from becoming a major problem.
Combine that contention with Stoudemire's youth and you have the basis for the Suns' belief that Stoudemire can be back on the floor sometime after the All-Star break in late February.
"I would be a lot more down or depressed if I really thought this would affect Amare's future," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said by phone Tuesday night. "I don't think it will."
Earlier in the day, D'Antoni told reporters in Phoenix that he fully expects Stoudemire "to be great when he comes back and wow the fans for 10 more years."
Suns fans can only hope. They can also be pardoned if they're not quite ready to echo the coach's confidence, because it wasn't so long ago that Penny Hardaway, one of the league's first high-profile microfracture patients, never came close to living up to the rich contract Phoenix gave him.
And Hardaway is hardly alone. Microfracture procedures couldn't save Mashburn or Terrell Brandon and likewise haven't resulted in lasting improvements for Webber, Houston, Alvin Williams and Eduardo Najera.
Utah's Matt Harpring, who underwent his second microfracture surgery in April, hopes to be ready for Opening Night, which would represent a six-month recovery.
Can Stoudemire do it faster?
He is a Phoenix Sun, after all, and a certifiable freak of nature with his unmatched package of size, speed and power. So maybe it's not impossible.
Portland's Zach Randolph is another youthful power player trying to make it back from microfracture faster than ever before. Who knows? Maybe Randolph and Stoudemire can revolutionize the rehab process together, just as Stoudemire and Nash modernized the pick-and-roll.
You don't have to be a Suns fan to hope so. No matter where your allegiances rest, you'd miss the Suns and the way they run and gun if Stoudemire were to end up missing the usual six-to-eight months.
"Amare's a pretty amazing guy," said Suns point guard Steve Nash, the reigning MVP, of his favorite assist target. "I don't ever want to say there's something he can't do. We're just going to hope for the fastest possible recovery and try to be a better team when he comes back. There are lot of unknowns, and we have a lot to prove without him, but the mood is pretty upbeat considering."
Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN
this will give the suns a reason to throw the season away and aim fo rthat lottery pick for greg oden, or maybe greg is stayin in college to finish his degree.
Marc Stein paints an ugly picture. :vomit
On this FoxSports article
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4982848
"Stoudemire had been struggling with discomfort throughout the summer, and it was believed that during exploratory arthroscopic surgery, doctors could clean up what was believed to be a minor cartilage tear. Instead, they poked a hole in the joint, and the entire world of the Suns has changed with the 22-year-old Stoudemire incapacitated for what they believe to be four months."
It seems to read to me as though the Doctors screwed up, and made the situation worse than diagnostics... I hope thats not the case and i just read it wrong...
No, they poked a hole into the joint on purpose -- that's what microfracture surgery is .. drilling holes.
When they got in there, they saw that he had worse damage and ended up having to do the more extensive surgery.
They could either do this surgery or watch Amare slowly turn into Charles Smith.
Sucks.
Charles Smith #1 or #2????
One.
:depressed
I heard that its the same kind of surgery that Penny had and we all know what happend after that. That doesnt necessarly mean that its the same injury, but I heard its the same procedure that penny had
PS
Sorry if this was already posted...
Looks like Suns have to be "really" careful here. They just can't rush him back. D'Antoni better not force the issue.
Dang, that sucks!
Based upon the seriousness of this procedure and the history of athletes who have "never been the same" following the rehab period (Penny Hardaway, Jamal Mashburn, Allan Houston, Terrell Brandon, Chris Webber, Eduardo Najera, Alvin Williams), the Suns shouldn't take any chances with rushing him back this season.
Instead, they should consider "shutting this guy down" for this year, so as not to jeapordize his very bright future.
This makes the Spurs' road to the championship easier? Did the Suns make the Spurs road to the '05 title difficult? :)
UPDATE: Amare's Surgery a Success
Updated: Oct. 12, 2005, 2:00 AM ET
Stoudemire out four months after surgeryAssociated Press
PHOENIX -- The Phoenix Suns will be without All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire for about four months after he underwent microfracture surgery to repair damage to his injured left knee on Tuesday.
The extent of the injury was determined during "diagnostic" surgery by team doctor Thomas Carter, who then proceeded with the repair, Suns president Bryan Colangelo said.
Stoudemire, who turns 23 next month, signed a five-year, $73 million contract extension last week, the maximum allowed under the NBA's collective bargaining agreement with the players union.
Colangelo said the team knew of Stoudemire's knee problem during contract negotiations, but was not aware of the extent until Tuesday's surgery. The team projects Stoudemire to return around the All-Star break Feb. 17-21.
Carter detected the defect in an MRI exam several weeks ago and initially dealt with it through treatment and rest.
Stoudemire first talked about the soreness several weeks ago. After it worsened during last week's training camp in Tucson, he sought the opinions of three doctors before giving Carter the go-ahead for arthroscopic surgery.
"Dr. Carter, in consultation with Amare, chose the best course of action in terms of treating it aggressively and taking care of it now rather than letting it become a lingering problem," Colangelo said.
In a news release, the Suns said Carter repaired a joint surface defect roughly one centimeter in diameter on the inside of his left knee.
"The surgery went well and other than the defect that we treated today, Amare's knee is remarkably and structurally healthy," Carter said in the statement released by the team. "Given Amare's age and the nominal size of the location of the defect, I am confident the microfracture procedure performed will allow a healthy and normal return to action."
Considered the cornerstone of the franchise, Stoudemire has improved each year and was a main component of a team that won a league-best 62 games last season.
The 6-foot-10, 245-pound forward was fifth in the NBA in scoring at 26 points per game last season, his third in the league. He averaged 30 points in the playoffs, 37 in the Western Conference finals against Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs.
Stoudemire's loss will leave the Suns with a vastly different team through most of the regular season. The only starters from last season's team will be the NBA's most valuable player, Steve Nash, and All-Star Shawn Marion.
"It's out of our control, so we've got to go out and make the most of what we have and not worry about the piece we're missing," Nash said after Tuesday's practice. "We'll try to build our team and hopefully be a better team when he returns."
Coach Mike D'Antoni said the team probably would go small more often to better utilize the personnel. Everyone will have to shoot more, he said, including Nash and Marion.
"We don't have any inside post presence," Marion said. "However you want to look at it, he's a beast in there, so we are going to miss that inside threat. But with Kurt [Thomas] and Brian [Grant], we do have some inside bangers.''
Stoudemire had been bothered by soreness in the knee for several months. He had worked out last week in training camp, but sat out the team's scrimmage and final practice to have the knee examined by three doctors.
"Amare will be fine," D'Antoni said. "I fully expect him to be great when he comes back and wow the fans for 10 more years."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2187484
The Suns didn't make it hard.. but Amare and Steve didn't make it easy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Luckily for him, I read that the bone lesion was fairly small, and in a not totally weight bearing area. Still sucks to have microfracture surgery at that age.
Is it true the Spurs lost today by like 15 or so to philly???
Dunno. Then again, I don't care about games played in October.
Yeah, but none of the starters saw significant PT. The leading scorer was a guy (Saunders) who prolly will be in the NBDL when the season starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NashtoAmare
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Originally Posted by NashtoAmare