Kareem is better than magic, Jordan, and LeBron. Shame he keeps falling lower on these lists.
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Kareem is better than magic, Jordan, and LeBron. Shame he keeps falling lower on these lists.
first of all, Kawhi isn't an all time top 50 player just yet and 2nd, curry isn't either. He's for damn sure not #2. If Curry is #19 all time then that list had better be full of pgs from 1-18 . This is what happens when you have people in their 20s writing articles
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Originally Posted by lilbthebasedgod
Notice how the photo puts Kobe ahead of Tim. That's how folks hedge their bets and get a jab in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
The problem with these lists is that the people making them up--and talking about them--are trying to evaluate players whom they never saw on the court for the most part. And the game has changed along with the size, speed, and to some extent the skill sets of the players.
I don't think players should be eligible for a list like this until they have played at least 10 years in the league to give some perspective. Curry and Kwahi will surely make the list of the best of all time if they continue to play at this level for more years. I'd like to know who got dropped off the official NBA top 50 list since some people had to go to make room for players like Curry and Kwahi.
Manu should be before Kawhi and Curry.
Wow...that's crazy. It seems like it would take him forever to get up to top speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellboy
Bill russell ughhhhhhh
Little soon for that.. And that list is fucked up. How is Nash higher than Ewing? He was not the best player in Dallas, and only was for a few years in Phoenix. 2 very questionable MVP awards..
Basketball player? Slight chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Athlete? Not a fucking chance in hell he was overrated. A 7'er who was also a high jump champ and a sprinter? Unreal. He's a billionaire's version of Dwight Howard.
6'9" to 6'10" ThinQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
7'4" wingspan.
Very athletic. High motor. Good rebounding and shot blocking instincts.
Limited offense outside the paint, Poor free throw shooter.
Where would this guy get drafted today?
It's really hard to compare eras. The year Wilt averaged 50 per game the Celtics won the title with a roster that had only 3 players listed at > 6'5" .
Players didn't train year round. The sport was limited in it's appeal- northeast, midwest for the most part.
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
LOL. Your standards are kind of harsh. The guy averaged what? 22 RB for his entire career? And averaged something like 42 minutes per game for his career? Find me a player today who could just play the minutes he did.
You're right, though. His FG% was not very good, and he shot FT's like Andre Drummond. But the guy was a fucking beast on the floor. All he did was make his teams winners. It's hard to overrate that.
Wilt was way ahead of his time. In the Golden Age of big men (DRob, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Mourning, etc.) he would have fit right in, but I'm not sure he would have been the giant he was when he played. Not debating how incredible he was, just saying that he was pretty much alone.
:lol Taking the numbers from that era and applying it to today. Russell averaged 22 rpg because the pace was breakneck, the shooting percentages were terrible, there was a dearth of size/athleticism and he averaged 42 mpg. He wouldn't average anywhere near that today because it's not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
The majority of players could play 42 mpg; it's just that in time, people wised up and prioritized the long term damage it does as opposed to machismo.
It's too difficult to put players from at least pre '80 into context. I understand people putting the ones considered truly great from before that (Russell, Chamberlain, Robertson, West, Baylor, Pettit, etc.) on all time lists, so as to not come off as disrespectful and out of fear of backlash, but they're ranked too high on them and for the most part, those beneath them should no longer be littering these lists.
In no way does Curry belong past Stockton, Kidd and even Nash. He's like Payton type legacy at this point.
Its hard to get a take on Russell, there arent many games on youtube with him and I think you have to watch a number of them to get a feel for how good he was but he was the best player on an 11 championship team. You say, yeah but they had Cousy and Sam Jones or whoever. Ok but some players can make careers out of other players who wouldnt be known otherwise. In basketball, one player can raise up a team, usually though they have to not only be good but team players like Duncan and Bird.
I mean fucking look at Wilt! He literally dwarfs Shaq and thats no lie. Russell shouldnt even be able to do squat against Wilt but Russell, along with his athletic gifts had more smarts and desire.
Russell also won two college championships and probably could have played longer in the NBA. He was also player/coach for a year and won a ring while doing it.
At least they put Tim ahead of ShaqQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
I also remember Arnold Schwarzenegger saying that Wilt was a beast in the gym. I don't know much about weightlifting to tell you what specific exercise it was, but I recall Arnold was saying that Wilt asked him how to do a specific weightlifting exercise, and then Wilt went and lifted 30-40 pounds more than the strongest guys in the gym on his first try. I think Wilt also could bench press more than Shaq's best at age 60, or close to it. Look at the kind of shape that Shaq in is now and he's not even close to being 60. Wilt was a total beast. I don't know why people keep discrediting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Players/former teammates say that Wilt was scared of hurting people on that court and that is why he played a finesse game a lot of the time. He really was that strong and didn't want to hurt anyone out there. I read that he lifted up two players that were fighting (one in each hand), and threw them off the court because he thought they were fighting like girls. If Wilt used more on his strength and had a mean streak on the court, who knows, he may have been even deadlier.
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Originally Posted by Ice009
Yeah. Look at those biceps. Dude was a fucking monster.
Maybe people can question his Basketball skill level if he were playing today, but you cannot question his incredible athletic ability. I'm guessing that Wilt would still be the strongest player in the league if he were playing in this current era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
Does anyone trully believe someone like Dedmon couldn't have done what Russell did in his time?
But Russell, and not Dedmon, was born on that time and I guess that counts for something, so his place in the top 10 list of all-time is deserved, tbh.
The Claw is just getting started.
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He's having the best individual season by a Spur in 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtxstar
Russell was an excellent player on offense because he moved great without the ball and set lots of picks (sort of like Tim Duncan, but quicker). He had high assists for big man, 4 times finishing in top 10 in league. He was the team leader in assists or almost at the top (excepting Cousy) all of his career, except rookie regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH