Leonard only 3rd favourite to win Defensive Player of Year award

Draymond Green number 1. Leonard getting the 'we can't give it to you 3 times,' backlash?


http://www.espn.com/blog/golden-stat...-of-year-award

No way he gets it. Draymond has been begging for it for years. It's his.

Hopefully he gets MVP instead.

He can get it 3 times and get more hype, Raymond is having a horrible season.

DPOY gets watered down after the first one, plus ge will have multiple opportunities in the future because it doesnt look like there will be that many competition outside of Gobert and Green for yearss to come.

Yeah, but Kawhi is hurting the Spurs' defense. :rolleyes

Draymond DPOY :toast

Let's see how the 2nd half of the season goes.

It would absolute epic if Gobert wins and Raymond and his mom have a massive meltdown

He's won twice in a row. Writers take that into consideration.

Raymond living off that "he can guard all 5 positions :cry" myth/persona just like Lebron was a couple of years ago. He gets used and abused by dominant post players like Boogie, and he NEVER guards point guards.

Cute little help defender is all.

I don't see a real chance for him to win it this year. While he is still a very good defender, he is putting forth way more effort on offense this year night after night. With the way Duncan stepped out of being an offensive focus the last couple of years I was amazed after Pau went out how much difference it made. Both of them are pretty good passing big men Dedmon isn't yet.

Not having a strong bigman to funnel to in Gasol hurts his defense and he has to put forth a lot more effort on offense when Dedmon is in. I don't blame either of them, Dedmon is still fairly young and Gasol has never exactly been a top notch defender. Being older and slower hasn't improved his defense either. With basketball being a team game part of your game always depends on your partners.

Gobert is the DPOY

What are Manure's odds. Best Jonathon Simmons and Patty Mills stopper in the league

Gobert tbh

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Originally Posted by GSH

Yeah, but Kawhi is hurting the Spurs' defense. :rolleyes

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:lol chinook

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol chinook

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:lol

Spurs don't scratch top 10 defensive teams without kawhi. That's a fact. :lol

:cry he regressed from last year :cry

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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9

DPOY gets watered down after the first one, plus ge will have multiple opportunities in the future because it doesnt look like there will be that many competition outside of Gobert and Green for yearss to come.

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Terrible analysis. There are always new prime defenders coming onto the scene.

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:cry he regressed from last year :cry

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Statistically speaking, yes. And he has had to pick and choose his spots a bit more to conserve for the larger offensive role with Timmy gone.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

No way he gets it. Draymond has been begging for it for years. It's his.

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Originally Posted by TrainOfThought5

Hopefully he gets MVP instead.

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Raymond living off that "he can guard all 5 positions :cry" myth/persona just like Lebron was a couple of years ago.

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gobert has easily been the best defender this year.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Terrible analysis. There are always new prime defenders coming onto the scene.

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indeed.. that's what they have been saying when they didn't give it to howard

Hope Gobert wins like he should, so mouth breather can cry some more.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

No way he gets it. Draymond has been begging for it for years.

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Let's see how the 2nd half of the season goes.

It would absolute epic if Gobert wins and Raymond and his mom have a massive meltdown

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This would be good. :toast

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:lol chinook

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Kawhi's still one of the lowest-rated wings on the team in defensive stats. I don't get what's funny. Are we now saying DPOY isn't reputation based?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Kawhi's still one of the lowest-rated wings on the team in defensive stats. I don't get what's funny. Are we now saying DPOY isn't reputation based?

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And what does that imply. speak. :lol

Kawhi's averaging career lows in defensive rebounds and steals per 100 along with the lowest block rate since his second season. Career-worst DRtg, easily the worst DBPM of his career and DRPM since the stat came out four years ago. Lowest DWS/48 since his rookie season. There are explanations for it, but the reality is that Kawhi doesn't have a statistical case for DPOY this season.

Not yet, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Kawhi's averaging career lows in defensive rebounds and steals per 100 along with the lowest block rate since his second season. Career-worst DRtg, easily the worst DBPM of his career and DRPM since the stat came out four years ago. Lowest DWS/48 since his rookie season. There are explanations for it, but the reality is that Kawhi doesn't have a statistical case for DPOY this season.

Not yet, anyway.

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You still side stepped the question. :lol

You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means. :lol

Kawhi is leading his team to a the number 1 defensive team in the NBA. FACTS. :lol

I remember where the Spurs were without Kawhi defensively... :lol

An injury to Kawhi would plummet our defense. And I'm not talking about resting vs shitty competition. :lol

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And what does that imply. speak. :lol

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You still side stepped the question. :lol

You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means. :lol

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I actually hadn't read you post. I was going to put all that in one but then I saw that I had already posted.

To your first non-question, I'm saying that Kawhi was never going to not be in consideration for the award. Public opinion on defense lags way behind performance. I don't think Kawhi deserves DPOY this year. He hasn't been the best defender on his own team -- Dedmon has.

His stats do exactly what I said: They essentially remove any argument that he has a statistical case for the award. He has by many accounts had a career-worst year on that end. And while it's easy (and not inaccurate) to say that's because Tim is gone, other players on the team have actually had strong years, so that's not entirely reasonable. The only argument that Kawhi really has is that the Spurs are the best defense in the league.

Because people assume that's his doing, he may get more consideration. But we'll see the actual judgement of that come out when Dedmon gets a Biyombo-level deal in the off-season.

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

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I actually hadn't read you post. I was going to put all that in one but then I saw that I had already posted.

To your first non-question, I'm saying that Kawhi was never going to not be in consideration for the award. Public opinion on defense lags way behind performance. I don't think Kawhi deserves DPOY this year. He hasn't been the best defender on his own team -- Dedmon has.

His stats do exactly what I said: They essentially remove any argument that he has a statistical case for the award. He has by many accounts had a career-worst year on that end. And while it's easy (and not inaccurate) to say that's because Tim is gone, other players on the team have actually had strong years, so that's not entirely reasonable. The only argument that Kawhi really has is that the Spurs are the best defense in the league.

Because people assume that's his doing, he may get more consideration. But we'll see the actual judgement of that come out when Dedmon gets a Biyombo-level deal in the off-season.

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

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Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

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He led Orlando in DRtg and DBPM last season. So he was around.

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Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

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Laughing at the GOAT defensive player. That's quite the low. He was putting up great defensive numbers without Kawhi too. It's sort of absurd that you didn't know that.

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These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

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They didn't get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. Especially Dedmon, who's played fewer than half of his minutes with Kawhi (despite having started so many more games now).

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I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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I'm not to sure. Tim might have laughed last year, but Dedmon is more of a self-promoter than Duncan and probably thinks he's the best defender in the league.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

He led Orlando in DRtg and DBPM last season. So he was around.



Laughing at the GOAT defensive player. That's quite the low. He was putting up great defensive numbers without Kawhi too. It's sort of absurd that you didn't know that.



They didn't get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. Especially Dedmon, who's played fewer than half of his minutes with Kawhi (despite having started so many more games now).



I'm not to sure. Tim might have laughed last year, but Dedmon is more of a self-promoter than Duncan and probably thinks he's the best defender in the league.

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I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan. :lol

Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all. :lmao :lmao

Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan. :lol

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Yes, and Tim was STILL posting dominant stats with DeJuan Blair and busted-up Fabra playing next to him. Again, I'm surprised you didn't know that.

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Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all. :lmao :lmao

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First off, fuck Draymond. Second off, Kawhi's clearly not leading anyone defensively. Just too many teammates having better defensive years than him while he's posting career lows.

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Yes, and Tim was STILL posting dominant stats with DeJuan Blair and busted-up Fabra playing next to him. Again, I'm surprised you didn't know that.



First off, fuck Draymond. Second off, Kawhi's clearly not leading anyone defensively. Just too many teammates having better defensive years than him while he's posting career lows.

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WTF does that even mean? :lol

How was our team defensive rating huh? :lmao

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WTF does that even mean? :lol

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Meaning he was still among the league leaders in defensive stats despite having a MUCH, MUCH worse supporting cast than Kawhi has.

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How was our team defensive rating huh? :lmao

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It was fine, actually. Hovered between 5-12. His DRtg and on-offs were great.

Seriously, this shitting on Tim to pump up Kawhi is a really bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Meaning he was still among the league leaders in defensive stats despite having a MUCH, MUCH worse supporting cast than Kawhi has.



It was fine, actually. Hovered between 5-12. His DRtg and on-offs were great.

Seriously, this shitting on Tim to pump up Kawhi is a really bad idea.

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You don't actually know? :lmao

We're talking about defense dumbass. And he did have a resurgence defensively. That is FAcTS. Are you denying them? :lmao

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Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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I'm still waiting. :lmao

Look, you don't need to answer it. It basically solidifies my point anyways if you don't answer it either. :lol

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You don't actually know? :lmao

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Did you want 2010-2011 only? They were 11th. And Tim was the best defender on that team posting a DRtg of 100 (WAY better than what the Spurs are putting up this season).

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We're talking about defense dumbass.

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Dude, stop being a bitch. I'm answering you in good faith, and you can't stop acting like a fucking five-year-old. Tim never fell off defensively until he FELL OFF last year. Tim's DBPM in 2010-2011 was three times higher than Kawhi's is this season. That was the best it had been in years. It actually fell off Kawhi's first year and came back after that.

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And he did have a resurgence defensively.

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He did have a resurgence when he got healthy. You can see it the year before Kawhi even got on the team.

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Are you denying them?

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I'm not denying that Kawhi helped Tim. I am denying that Tim was some floundering player without Kawhi. Tim without Kawhi, even as an injured old man, was a better defender than Kawhi has been this year. In the same way that Dedmon is helping Kawhi recover his defensive numbers, Kawhi helped Tim. But looking at Kawhi's drop-off in the face of an elite team, it seems like Tim helped him way more than the other way around.

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Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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You still side stepping? :lmao

Pretty much agree with Chinook here. This doesn't even mean Kawhi is bad or anything at all.

yeah they gonna give it to green. Gotta prop up those Warriors. Every 6 or 7 years the league has a team in which they give all the bullshit calls to in order to sell their shitty nba product to the casual fans

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Originally Posted by dabom

Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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lmao Spur fans dissing Duncan now to prop up Kawhi "outplayed by Matt Barnes" Leonard

pathetic

Calling it now barring injury Kawhi will 3-peat and Draymond's momma will have another twitter meltdown. Gobert is deserving but not enough hype for him to win this year.

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Pretty much agree with Chinook here. This doesn't even mean Kawhi is bad or anything at all.

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Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.

He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.

According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.

Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.

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Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.

He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.

According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.

Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.

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:lol

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Gobert is the DPOY

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Should be.

The same "dirty" argument that people and the media used against Bruce should apply to Dray. But they're giving the award to a defender who kicks other guys in their nuts now.

I guess if Bruce were a Warrior this season...he will win it, nobody would question him.

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Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.

He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.

According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.

Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.

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Gawd damn. Go easy on em son.

It's nice to see that Mr. Intellectually Dishonest As Shit has weighed in.

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Let's see how the 2nd half of the season goes.

It would absolute epic if Gobert wins and Raymond and his mom have a massive meltdown

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Calling it now barring injury Kawhi will 3-peat and Draymond's momma will have another twitter meltdown. Gobert is deserving but not enough hype for him to win this year.

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Hoping for this :lol

I said Chinook here. Not every time.

Gobert is pretty clearly the DPOY IMO...hope he gets the recognition he deserves, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they give it to Draymond.

As for Kawhi, like Chinook has pointed out, pretty much all of the numbers out there point to him having less of an impact defensively this year. I do think some of it is a bit flukey (the Spurs being 9 points per 100 possessions better defensively with Kawhi off the court, for example), but you can't just completely toss out the fact that virtually every defensive metric out there is saying he hasn't been as great this year. Some other defensive numbers to point out with Kawhi:

Isolation: .97 ppp (32.9 percentile)
PnR ball-handler: .81 ppp (58.9 percentile)
Spot-up: .91 ppp (73.5 percentile)

Opponent's are shooting 1.8% worse than their average when guarded by Kawhi...for comparison, Gobert holds opponents to 6% worse than their average and Draymond holds opponents to 5.4% worse shooting than their average.

So yeah, I just have a hard time seeing the argument for Kawhi this year. As I've said, I think he's been better than the numbers suggest, but he still hasn't been as good as he was in years past. You can't just say "Well he's the best defender on the best defensive team in the league, he must be DPOY!". The Spurs' bench has been phenomenal defensively and that's without Kawhi playing...that's a big reason why the Spurs have the best defense in the league. Obviously some people take it too far by saying Kawhi makes the Spurs worse defensively, but the point remains: the team has managed to be extremely successful defensively even with Kawhi not playing. So just blindly pointing out that the Spurs have the best defense in the league is a bit dumb.

Besides, it's not like the Spurs are miles ahead of other top defensive teams. The Spurs' adjusted DRTG (so adjusted for strength of offenses faced) is 104.34. The Warriors' adjusted DRTG is 104.56, and the Jazz are at 105.13.

I don't buy the "3rd in a row" argument. If Dwight did it, anybody can.

A more compelling reason is that no top player except Garnett managed to get it in the last 20 years (since the D-Rob/Olajuwon days). It's basically a 2nd rate award, aimed at specialists who can't really shine as top players in the league. Kawhi being less likely to be DPOY just means he's been upgraded to star status and this award is just beneath him at this point. There are only 2 awards worth getting in the NBA: MVP and FMVP. He's already got one and is a serious contender to get the other. It became clear last year when he finished 2nd in the MVP voting. So I say fuck DPOY, bring on the real hardware!

uh, DPOY is old news for Kawhi. He's moving onto bigger things (MVP) this year.

^^Dwight Howard made 4 consecutive All-NBA 1st teams and carried a team to the Finals(and should have won MVP of the league in 2011), in what universe is that not considered a "top player", tbh?

Kawhi isn't going to win in, this year, because he hasn't been as good as the 2 other guys on defense..I agree that it isn't about the "3 in a row" narrative..I didn't expect him to be as great on defense, this season, though, since it's very rare for a perimeter player to sustain his defensive excellence while carrying an offense..

People forget how good Dwight used to be. Hell, people forget how good he still is.

Dude's a vile human being, but give credit where it's due.

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^^Dwight Howard made 4 consecutive All-NBA 1st teams and carried a team to the Finals(and should have won MVP of the league in 2011), in what universe is that not considered a "top player", tbh?

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Dwight "carried" a team to the Finals with 2 other All-Stars...

He was considered a top 5 player for some years, that's true. But I can't think of any coach who changed anything in their game plan because of him. He was never in Ducan's tier, which is why Duncan never got DPOY and Dwight got 3 of them.

Give it to Gobert. Green is a faggot fuck, I never want him to get anything except pain.

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Dwight "carried" a team to the Finals with 2 other All-Stars...

He was considered a top 5 player for some years, that's true. But I can't think of any coach who changed anything in their game plan because of him. He was never in Ducan's tier, which is why Duncan never got DPOY and Dwight got 3 of them.

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Plan for Dwight was always related to how to defend him in the post (single or double team, constant fouling, etc.) and how to take him out of the paint on defense because it was pretty hard to work there. It's the reason he was a Lebron killer for a while.

Of course, he isn't in Timmy's tier, but he was a top player while he was getting recognition for his defense. Maybe you mean he wasn't a perennial MVP candidate.

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People forget how good Dwight used to be. Hell, people forget how good he still is.

Dude's a vile human being, but give credit where it's due.

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I agree. It's a shame he regressed and became known for his character. He was very impactful (if that's a word) and fun to watch.

well... it is tough to get the DPOY and the MVP in one season :hat

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well... it is tough to get the DPOY and the MVP in one season :hat

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only two ever have MJ and the Dream

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Gobert is pretty clearly the DPOY IMO...hope he gets the recognition he deserves, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they give it to Draymond.

As for Kawhi, like Chinook has pointed out, pretty much all of the numbers out there point to him having less of an impact defensively this year. I do think some of it is a bit flukey (the Spurs being 9 points per 100 possessions better defensively with Kawhi off the court, for example), but you can't just completely toss out the fact that virtually every defensive metric out there is saying he hasn't been as great this year. Some other defensive numbers to point out with Kawhi:

Isolation: .97 ppp (32.9 percentile)
PnR ball-handler: .81 ppp (58.9 percentile)
Spot-up: .91 ppp (73.5 percentile)

Opponent's are shooting 1.8% worse than their average when guarded by Kawhi...for comparison, Gobert holds opponents to 6% worse than their average and Draymond holds opponents to 5.4% worse shooting than their average.

So yeah, I just have a hard time seeing the argument for Kawhi this year. As I've said, I think he's been better than the numbers suggest, but he still hasn't been as good as he was in years past. You can't just say "Well he's the best defender on the best defensive team in the league, he must be DPOY!". The Spurs' bench has been phenomenal defensively and that's without Kawhi playing...that's a big reason why the Spurs have the best defense in the league. Obviously some people take it too far by saying Kawhi makes the Spurs worse defensively, but the point remains: the team has managed to be extremely successful defensively even with Kawhi not playing. So just blindly pointing out that the Spurs have the best defense in the league is a bit dumb.

Besides, it's not like the Spurs are miles ahead of other top defensive teams. The Spurs' adjusted DRTG (so adjusted for strength of offenses faced) is 104.34. The Warriors' adjusted DRTG is 104.56, and the Jazz are at 105.13.

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Green already has it wrapped up though because him and the Warriors started campaigning before the season even began and naturally the media obliged. Since so many are biased against bigs, it also helps that he's wing sized. Anytime a non giant is considered a serious candidate, they're likely to win it.

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Green already has it wrapped up though because him and the Warriors started campaigning before the season even began and naturally the media obliged. Since so many are biased against bigs, it also helps that he's wing sized. Anytime a non giant is considered a serious candidate, they're likely to win it.

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Yeah, unfortunately I think Gobert getting it over Draymond is a long shot. Media infatuation with GS + the fact that Draymond has been runner-up the past 2 years will help Draymond's chances greatly.

Eh, can't ignore that the majority of NBA fans and media predicted that Golden State would struggle(or at least have a huge rankings drop-off) without Bogut, defensively..look up all the talk following the first game of the season, for example..the fact that they're still a dominant defensive team is a huge plus for Draymond..

Kawhi exposed without an elite rim protect behind him :wow

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Yeah, unfortunately I think Gobert getting it over Draymond is a long shot. Media infatuation with GS + the fact that Draymond has been runner-up the past 2 years will help Draymond's chances greatly.

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It's adds to the LeBron vs Draymond finals matchup everyone has already penciled in for June.

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Eh, can't ignore that the majority of NBA fans and media predicted that Golden State would struggle(or at least have a huge rankings drop-off) without Bogut, defensively..look up all the talk following the first game of the season, for example..the fact that they're still a dominant defensive team is a huge plus for Draymond..

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I think that the impact of their defense is exaggerated by a different factor. It's probably impossible to quantify or even validate but it's an oft repeated component of human behavior: I believe that the GSW demoralize most other teams with their 4 all-star, line-up to the extent that the other team reaches a point where they don't play as hard (the in their mind "what's the point?" attitude). I've watched many of their games this season and you can clearly see this dynamic unfold over the course of the game.

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I think that the impact of their defense is exaggerated by a different factor. It's probably impossible to quantify or even validate but it's an oft repeated component of human behavior: I believe that the GSW demoralize most other teams with their 4 all-star, line-up to the extent that the other team reaches a point where they don't play as hard (the in their mind "what's the point?" attitude). I've watched many of their games this season and you can clearly see this dynamic unfold over the course of the game.

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I believe it. When it starts raining threes, even before it gets out of hand, teams probably say, "well thats it, fun while it lasted."

Also about GSW D, they blow teams out but those teams are usually always in the hundreds so cant be all that good. Plus reg season, playoffs, different thing.

I don't buy that at all. Teams often bring their best games against GS, at least in the first half. I think what helps GS' DRtg is that teams stupidly get into a pace war with them and lose because they aren't efficient if they move that quickly. I never understood why teams get caught up in that shit in basketball, but whatever. So you get a quick Warriors three followed by a terrible three early in the clock by the other team, followed by a three by GS and so forth. That artificially boosts their defense, because against the better teams, they probably won't be able to goad them as easily.

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Opponent's are shooting 1.8% worse than their average when guarded by Kawhi...for comparison, Gobert holds opponents to 6% worse than their average and Draymond holds opponents to 5.4% worse shooting than their average.

So yeah, I just have a hard time seeing the argument for Kawhi this year. As I've said, I think he's been better than the numbers suggest, but he still hasn't been as good as he was in years past. You can't just say "Well he's the best defender on the best defensive team in the league, he must be DPOY!".

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Well, that was the argument last year, Kawhi's numbers were worse than Draymond's, especially opposite player % shooting and still got it.

But Dray, Kerr and the Warriors are crying about that award since 2015 season so Gobert should be the winner but...

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I think he's been better than the numbers suggest

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Obviously, he is.

And like Lowe said his SportVU tracking and Synergy numbers are a lot better now than in the first two months of the season.

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I don't buy that at all. Teams often bring their best games against GS, at least in the first half. I think what helps GS' DRtg is that teams stupidly get into a pace war with them and lose because they aren't efficient if they move that quickly. I never understood why teams get caught up in that shit in basketball, but whatever. So you get a quick Warriors three followed by a terrible three early in the clock by the other team, followed by a three by GS and so forth. That artificially boosts their defense, because against the better teams, they probably won't be able to goad them as easily.

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I dont mean purposely throw in the towel. I mean that its hard to keep your confidence when theyre hitting on all cylinders. You start missing your assignments and your shots stop falling because your nervous about the oncoming onslaught.

I do agree though that its foolish to try to play their game. Which is why the Spurs are built the way they are. Built to slow the game down and take it into the paint, if LA would do that more often.

But he sucks this year on d ask Lowe

Compare the warriors defensive numbers with and without Durant and you'll see green deserves shit