Leonard only 3rd favourite to win Defensive Player of Year award

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Originally Posted by Brazil

:lol chinook

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Kawhi's still one of the lowest-rated wings on the team in defensive stats. I don't get what's funny. Are we now saying DPOY isn't reputation based?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Kawhi's still one of the lowest-rated wings on the team in defensive stats. I don't get what's funny. Are we now saying DPOY isn't reputation based?

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And what does that imply. speak. :lol

Kawhi's averaging career lows in defensive rebounds and steals per 100 along with the lowest block rate since his second season. Career-worst DRtg, easily the worst DBPM of his career and DRPM since the stat came out four years ago. Lowest DWS/48 since his rookie season. There are explanations for it, but the reality is that Kawhi doesn't have a statistical case for DPOY this season.

Not yet, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Kawhi's averaging career lows in defensive rebounds and steals per 100 along with the lowest block rate since his second season. Career-worst DRtg, easily the worst DBPM of his career and DRPM since the stat came out four years ago. Lowest DWS/48 since his rookie season. There are explanations for it, but the reality is that Kawhi doesn't have a statistical case for DPOY this season.

Not yet, anyway.

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You still side stepped the question. :lol

You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means. :lol

Kawhi is leading his team to a the number 1 defensive team in the NBA. FACTS. :lol

I remember where the Spurs were without Kawhi defensively... :lol

An injury to Kawhi would plummet our defense. And I'm not talking about resting vs shitty competition. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

And what does that imply. speak. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

You still side stepped the question. :lol

You keep pasting info without actually explaining what that all means. :lol

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I actually hadn't read you post. I was going to put all that in one but then I saw that I had already posted.

To your first non-question, I'm saying that Kawhi was never going to not be in consideration for the award. Public opinion on defense lags way behind performance. I don't think Kawhi deserves DPOY this year. He hasn't been the best defender on his own team -- Dedmon has.

His stats do exactly what I said: They essentially remove any argument that he has a statistical case for the award. He has by many accounts had a career-worst year on that end. And while it's easy (and not inaccurate) to say that's because Tim is gone, other players on the team have actually had strong years, so that's not entirely reasonable. The only argument that Kawhi really has is that the Spurs are the best defense in the league.

Because people assume that's his doing, he may get more consideration. But we'll see the actual judgement of that come out when Dedmon gets a Biyombo-level deal in the off-season.

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I actually hadn't read you post. I was going to put all that in one but then I saw that I had already posted.

To your first non-question, I'm saying that Kawhi was never going to not be in consideration for the award. Public opinion on defense lags way behind performance. I don't think Kawhi deserves DPOY this year. He hasn't been the best defender on his own team -- Dedmon has.

His stats do exactly what I said: They essentially remove any argument that he has a statistical case for the award. He has by many accounts had a career-worst year on that end. And while it's easy (and not inaccurate) to say that's because Tim is gone, other players on the team have actually had strong years, so that's not entirely reasonable. The only argument that Kawhi really has is that the Spurs are the best defense in the league.

Because people assume that's his doing, he may get more consideration. But we'll see the actual judgement of that come out when Dedmon gets a Biyombo-level deal in the off-season.

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

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Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

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He led Orlando in DRtg and DBPM last season. So he was around.

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Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

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Laughing at the GOAT defensive player. That's quite the low. He was putting up great defensive numbers without Kawhi too. It's sort of absurd that you didn't know that.

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These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

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They didn't get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. Especially Dedmon, who's played fewer than half of his minutes with Kawhi (despite having started so many more games now).

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I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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I'm not to sure. Tim might have laughed last year, but Dedmon is more of a self-promoter than Duncan and probably thinks he's the best defender in the league.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

He led Orlando in DRtg and DBPM last season. So he was around.



Laughing at the GOAT defensive player. That's quite the low. He was putting up great defensive numbers without Kawhi too. It's sort of absurd that you didn't know that.



They didn't get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. Especially Dedmon, who's played fewer than half of his minutes with Kawhi (despite having started so many more games now).



I'm not to sure. Tim might have laughed last year, but Dedmon is more of a self-promoter than Duncan and probably thinks he's the best defender in the league.

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I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan. :lol

Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all. :lmao :lmao

Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

I thought it was perfectly clear I was talking about old washed up Duncan immediately before Kawhi joining, not GOAT in his Prime Duncan. :lol

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Yes, and Tim was STILL posting dominant stats with DeJuan Blair and busted-up Fabra playing next to him. Again, I'm surprised you didn't know that.

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Like Draymond Green said, if you ain't leading your team to a top defensive team, maybe you just ain't a great defender after all. :lmao :lmao

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First off, fuck Draymond. Second off, Kawhi's clearly not leading anyone defensively. Just too many teammates having better defensive years than him while he's posting career lows.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Yes, and Tim was STILL posting dominant stats with DeJuan Blair and busted-up Fabra playing next to him. Again, I'm surprised you didn't know that.



First off, fuck Draymond. Second off, Kawhi's clearly not leading anyone defensively. Just too many teammates having better defensive years than him while he's posting career lows.

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WTF does that even mean? :lol

How was our team defensive rating huh? :lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

WTF does that even mean? :lol

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Meaning he was still among the league leaders in defensive stats despite having a MUCH, MUCH worse supporting cast than Kawhi has.

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How was our team defensive rating huh? :lmao

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It was fine, actually. Hovered between 5-12. His DRtg and on-offs were great.

Seriously, this shitting on Tim to pump up Kawhi is a really bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Meaning he was still among the league leaders in defensive stats despite having a MUCH, MUCH worse supporting cast than Kawhi has.



It was fine, actually. Hovered between 5-12. His DRtg and on-offs were great.

Seriously, this shitting on Tim to pump up Kawhi is a really bad idea.

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You don't actually know? :lmao

We're talking about defense dumbass. And he did have a resurgence defensively. That is FAcTS. Are you denying them? :lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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I'm still waiting. :lmao

Look, you don't need to answer it. It basically solidifies my point anyways if you don't answer it either. :lol

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Originally Posted by dabom

You don't actually know? :lmao

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Did you want 2010-2011 only? They were 11th. And Tim was the best defender on that team posting a DRtg of 100 (WAY better than what the Spurs are putting up this season).

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We're talking about defense dumbass.

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Dude, stop being a bitch. I'm answering you in good faith, and you can't stop acting like a fucking five-year-old. Tim never fell off defensively until he FELL OFF last year. Tim's DBPM in 2010-2011 was three times higher than Kawhi's is this season. That was the best it had been in years. It actually fell off Kawhi's first year and came back after that.

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And he did have a resurgence defensively.

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He did have a resurgence when he got healthy. You can see it the year before Kawhi even got on the team.

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Are you denying them?

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I'm not denying that Kawhi helped Tim. I am denying that Tim was some floundering player without Kawhi. Tim without Kawhi, even as an injured old man, was a better defender than Kawhi has been this year. In the same way that Dedmon is helping Kawhi recover his defensive numbers, Kawhi helped Tim. But looking at Kawhi's drop-off in the face of an elite team, it seems like Tim helped him way more than the other way around.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Let me ask you again. What player loss from the Spurs would have the biggest drop off in team defensive rating? Just answer that one. So people can either laugh at you, or make my point. :lol

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You still side stepping? :lmao

Pretty much agree with Chinook here. This doesn't even mean Kawhi is bad or anything at all.

yeah they gonna give it to green. Gotta prop up those Warriors. Every 6 or 7 years the league has a team in which they give all the bullshit calls to in order to sell their shitty nba product to the casual fans

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Originally Posted by dabom

Where was Dedmon before Kawhi? :lmao

Where was old shit bag tim duncan without Kawhi.

These players get a resurgence playing next to Kawhi. hmmm why is that? :lol

I'm pretty sure Dedmon would laugh at you if you told him he was a better defender than Kawhi this year. :lmao

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lmao Spur fans dissing Duncan now to prop up Kawhi "outplayed by Matt Barnes" Leonard

pathetic

Calling it now barring injury Kawhi will 3-peat and Draymond's momma will have another twitter meltdown. Gobert is deserving but not enough hype for him to win this year.

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Originally Posted by lilbthebasedgod

Pretty much agree with Chinook here. This doesn't even mean Kawhi is bad or anything at all.

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Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.

He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.

According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.

Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

Really? Chinook has said in every f...season that Kawhi didn't deserve DPOY.

He said in 2016 that Tim was Spurs best defender and the previous season it was...Danny.

According to him, Kawhi NEVER has been the best defender on his own team.

Remember...Chinook was the guy who said two years ago that Kawhi's D was overrated when he had a historic season on D.

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:lol