Moving Mohammed

Just as Manu, while in Europe, figured into the personell decisions of the Spurs, Mahinimi, unless he's proving to be much less than expected, is figuring into the relatively near term decisions of the Spurs regarding big men. I'd be surprised, with or without Spurs trading Rasho, that they'd be willing to shell out for a relatively long term and relatively expensive contract for Nazr.

Nazr's simply not that exceptional or irreplaceable. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in a S&T next summer or just go without compensation.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

My guess is that Rasho will play decent this season and they'll find a way to package him with another player and move him.

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It would really suck to get traded no matter how you do.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Since they are the only ones who can actually trade him, the FO.

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Well, the quote was referring to "Spurs fans".

Anyways, yeah, I can definitely see them letting Mohammed walk. Does that make it a wise decision? I don't think so.

I say keep Nazr, win the NBA Championship, and then try a S&T in the summer. If we end up losing him for nothing, then I will let the warm glow of the Spurs NBA Championship 2005-2006 DVD dry my tears. :)

coopdogg3

spurs will trade rasho or barry atleast if they keep nazr
bank on it

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

With Oberto's price at $2.5 mil per season, Radoslav on the books for $30 mil over the next four seasons and Scola in the wings it is apparent that this will be Mohammed's last season (or half-season, for that matter) with the Spurs. With an expiring contract and at a relatively low salary in the final year of his contract Mohammed should be an attractive player on the trade block. So what can they hope to get for him?

A few potential suitors...


Atlanta Hawks

They are in dire need of quality bigs. Collier or Pachulia as a starting center? Yikes.

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Let's stop right here. Atlanta has a passel of SFs and I've heard we've been talking to them right along, offering Rasho for trade, but without any interest. I wonder if they might go for NASR?

You normally don't trade a good center for a good SF even up, but it might be a good way to get something for NASR. He's gonna be too high-priced for us since the market on even average centers has escalated.

I don't know why Atlanta would trade for Nazr this year. The Spurs won't trade a center until the Spurs are sure Oberto can make the transition. Why would you give up a young, talented SF for a half-season with a decent C? They wouldn't have any real leverage in re-signing him next season. The only way I can see a team trading for Nazr this year is if they are in a title run and got hit by injuries (Phoenix??). Otherwise the only real possibility I see is with a S&T next off-season because the Spurs will have some leverage by holding his Early Bird Rights (ala SAR this off-season - hopefully the Spurs won't botch it like the Trailblazers did). Guess we'll see though.

coopdogg3

Would anyone trade Nazr for Diaw, particulaly if it looked like Rasho was unmoveable?

I would not trade with the suns unless it was for amare

Well I'm not sure Nazr would get you Amare. (laughing thingy)

suns have no one that I want except amare
jj is gone now
marion is ok a little expensive though

What about for draft picks? Do the Suns have a 1st rounder next year?

coopdogg3

Biggest problem I see with trading Nazr to the Sns would be, if Amare comes back effectively this year, it would give the Suns the adequate quality center to make them a handful to the Spurs. Diaw is a nice piece though, he looked very impressive in the Fiba Europe games.

IMO, Nazr will gone by the trade deadline or worst case end of season. Rasho is still the better of 2 when it comes to defending Shaq - Against other centers it really doesn't matter.

I'd say letting Nazr walk away is a better option than "taking another long term contract". Just for the heck of gaining spurs should not do S&T. I say this because unless we get a small forward (by moving Nazr+Brent), there is no point doing a trade - And for Nazr+Brent contract you don't get a decent center.

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Otherwise the only real possibility I see is with a S&T next off-season because the Spurs will have some leverage by holding his Early Bird Rights

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We'll actually have full Bird rights as Nazr will be finishing up a five year deal.

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(ala SAR this off-season - hopefully the Spurs won't botch it like the Trailblazers did).

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Well, they really didn't want to take back any salary either, so....

I think they'll test all three before deciding which to trade, but if they can't get rid of Nazr or Rasho in a trade by the deadline, they'll let Nazr go. There is no money, Oberto is cheaper, assuming he makes the transition. Nazr still has downsides, which may be cured by a full training camp and season with the system (but it seems butterfingers and pumpfakes may be a perennial problem for him). Rasho was doing well last season, with improvements in offense before his injury moved Nazr into the starter position, and I think he's the better defensive player.

Shrug. I'd rather let Nazr go than Rasho. Especially if Fabri works out.

How does doing a S&T for draft picks work? I honestly don't know. Couldn't the Blazers have traded SAR for picks or maybe a trade exemption? I thought I remember reading how the Blazers were trying to get too much for a trade with the Nets and ended up just getting nothing (due to the physical) when SAR signed with the Kings. Granted the failed physical wasn't the Blazers fault.

I say the same type of trade for Nazr next off-season if we can. Trade exemption won't help (unless we off-load Barry and Rash and get below the salary cap again) but picks are always nice. Again the CBA is not my strong suit so I would appreciate any info.

coopdogg3

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How does doing a S&T for draft picks work? I honestly don't know. Couldn't the Blazers have traded SAR for picks or maybe a trade exemption?

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Right, that's what they were trying with NJ -- picks and a trade exception. Cap space could also be used if a team is under it.

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I say the same type of trade for Nazr next off-season if we can.

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Yeah, it's not the easiest thing to do; if a team is able to do that, they're usually also able to sign that player outright as well. I'm still not sure how much Nazr would get on the open market right now.

Shrug. I'd rather let Nazr go than Rasho. Especially if Fabri works out.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen Oberto play yet, but I envisioned him as having a similar game to Rasho. In which case I would favor trading Rash allowing the Spurs to have 2 different types of centers able to do 2 different things on the court. Could provide some match-up advatages. But again, this is coming from someone who hasn't seen Oberto play a lick of NBA ball.

coopdogg3

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Portland Trailblazers

They've endured declining production out of Ratliff and after him there's Pryzbilia.

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Przybilla is good, he tore it up when he started last year.

typical marcus bryant thread

Absolutely.

It's going to bring out the haters in full force when Rasho and Scola's rights are packaged next summer for a wing.

Nazr ain't going anywhere this season. Nor is Rasho.

If you trade Rasho, you give Nazr and his agent bargaining power next summer. If you try and trade him teams won't be willing to deal knowing that the Spurs are "desperate" to get rid of a player.

What will happen is they will keep both through the playoffs, and deal with it next summer.

Then they have bargaining power over Nazr (we already have Rasho, why should we pay you so much). And then if they can't reach an agreement, they can turn around and accomodate him with a sign and trade to some team hard up for a center and get draft picks/the proverbial long three out of the deal.

Bargaining power next summer is going to be tied to who is interested in him then.

In addition, even with Radoslav gone, the Spurs will still have Oberto.

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Originally Posted by coopdogg3

I haven't seen Oberto play yet, but I envisioned him as having a similar game to Rasho. In which case I would favor trading Rash allowing the Spurs to have 2 different types of centers able to do 2 different things on the court. Could provide some match-up advatages. But again, this is coming from someone who hasn't seen Oberto play a lick of NBA ball.

coopdogg3

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If anything, I think Oberto more replicates what Nazr can bring than what Rasho can bring to the team because defensively, neither Nazr nor Oberto can do what Rasho does. If you want two types of defensive centers one needs to be Rasho- for Shaq, Yao, Ilgauskas, etc...