I think his performance tonight earned him some more minutes. Like I've said, we're going to need a PG platoon to have a shot against Wardell and Co.
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I think his performance tonight earned him some more minutes. Like I've said, we're going to need a PG platoon to have a shot against Wardell and Co.
Dude can pull a kevin martin for us when we really need someone. :lmao
Forbes impressed tonight, unlike someone who was 1-7 getting starters minutes against a tanking team :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
When Murray gets healthy, we'll have a variety options at backup PG :tu
It's one game after 77 to show something. Let's not pull out our dicks just yet...
Patty Mills has showed up in all the big games and just when you needed him. No one seriously gives a shit if he goes zero and 20 this game. Except people like you. :lol
Start Mills helmet crew :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
http://citizenthymes.com/wp-content/...5-15.33.32.jpg
Too early to tell, mid. He hasn't show that consistent "confidence" that a Guy like Bertans has shown this year.
Bertans has surpassed Simmons and Anderson imo.
Agree. But even aside from making some shots, he looks like he's got some legit NBA skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Laprovittola is averaging 4 & 2 and shooting 32% in Europe right now
Thank god and my bible we let that scrub go over Forbes....
We're gonna have to. We can get away with business as usual in the early rounds, but against Golden State, every PG needs to be on a short-leash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Showed them tonight. It is encouraging that even when he hasn't shot well he's had 4/5 assist games. He'll never be even below-average on defense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursforSix
http://oi63.tinypic.com/nfi87a.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
This team isn't getting past GS this season; not even confident they get past Memphis. At this point I'm just thinking about the future and who can be a contributor on a regular basis. Still more sold on Patty despite his struggles than Forbes.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
LMFAOOOOOO :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Is Murray done for the season? Spurs should sue his girlfriend for overworking his groin
He did the thing he has to do to stay in the league. He has to keep doing that. Lucky for him, this game may have bought him another year of NBA money by itself. For a guy like him, you have to start with things like that.
Patty really is feast or famine and in last years playoffs he was famine
Patty helped us get 2104. :lol
We're in 2017 now, my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
I like the Microwave, but if he ain't cooking, Murray or Forbes it is. If Parker is Enriqu'ing, then we go Murray>Forbes/Microwave.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Porker hasn't done shit in the last 10 years and you still putting your hand in his pocket. :lmao
You're just trolling now. He was essential in getting the Spurs to the finals in 2013 and going up 2-1 against Miami. Hit the big clutch shot in game 6, too. And he didn't "suck" in 2014 aside from the Finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
http://oi63.tinypic.com/2u88nd5.jpg
And he was serviceable last season. Need I remind you again :lol
http://oi63.tinypic.com/nfi87a.jpg
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Was Game 5 the only important game in that run?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
It's how you finish. Not how you start.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
You don't get to finish if you start like shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Spurs faced only one elimination game that whole run, guess who stepped up with 32 points :downspin:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...405040SAS.html
Worrying about the first round. :lmao
Comparing the Finals to the first round. :lmao
What happens if the Spurs lose that game?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Now you're really reeeeaching. Game 7s don't matter. :lol
Just admit you were wrong about Parker not contributing to the Spurs successes in the past 10 years, and we can move on.
Spurs were gonna win that series with porkers inefficient shooting or not. If it wasn't for Vince Carter, we finish that series in 5. :lol
The only reason that Mavs series went 7 games is largely because Tony sucked in the first 6 games, tbh... some people need to go back and check out the games instead of boxscore reading... he was getting killed by freaking Calderon...
Dude sucked. Like always. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
(And I'm not defending Patty either on that series, he sucked too).
We don't even get to a game 7 if not for Manu and Tiago carrying us the first 6 games, and DeJuan Blair getting ejected for kicking Tiago.
"If, would, could."Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Who cares? The was a game 7. And Parker killed it.
How was Parker inefficient in that series? I think you got him confused with your boy Patty :lmao
http://oi63.tinypic.com/25rdwjo.jpg
Just admit defeat, bro. It's okay.
He was injured too, though... remember he couldn't finish the next series against Portland nor the WCF against OKC...Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Hey I remember this guy named Bonner man!Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
That dude could ball!
Lets bring back some of the same playoff memories the BonBon provided!
Tony Parker 34:09 11 19 .579 0 1 .000 10 13 .769 0 4 4 4 0 0 3 1 32 +13 Danny Green 32:09 5 7 .714 4 6 .667 2 2 1.000 0 3 3 1 1 1 0 4 16 +21 Tim Duncan 30:58 7 8 .875 0 0 1 2 .500 3 5 8 1 0 2 2 2 15 +23 Kawhi Leonard 29:14 7 14 .500 1 5 .200 0 1 .000 1 5 6 1 0 0 0 2 15 +15 Tiago Splitter 15:15 0 0 0 0 1 2 .500 1 1 2 0 1 1 0 4 1 +15 Reserves MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS +/- Boris Diaw 26:35 3 5 .600 0 1 .000 2 2 1.000 1 6 7 5 1 0 1 3 8 +16 Manu Ginobili 23:35 5 7 .714 2 3 .667 8 9 .889 0 3 3 5 6 0 3 2 20 +32 Patty Mills 17:04 2 8 .250 2 6 .333 1 2 .500 0 3 3 2 1 0 0 3 7 +17 Marco Belinelli 9:46 2 4 .500 1 2 .500 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 -11
:lmao
Thank god. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Tony was 9-16 for 21 points in Game 1 for a +20 box. Jose Calderon was a huge 3-9 for 7 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Game 2: Tony, 10 points 5-10, Calderon 5-10, 12 points. Lost the battle.
Game 3: Tony 19 points on 50%, Calderon 16 points on 70%. Adv: Calderon. Let's not forget the Client had 12 points on 4-14 shooting in a one point loss.
Game 4. Parker was definitely subpar. 10 points on 5-15. No debate here.
Game 5. 23 points on 9-23 shooting. Calderon a big 8 points on 3-9 shooting. Tony won the battle. Let's not forget Vince Carter's 28 points on 10-16 shooting off the bench. Guess who woulda been guarding Carter a lot? Client
Game 6. 22 points on 10-23 shooting with 5TOs. No debate Tony was a detriment that game.
Game 7. Clutch as a motherfucker.
So no, he didn't "suck" in the first 6 games. :lol Using selective memory to prop up the Client.
I would say Tony had a typical series for a fringe level all-star player, which he was at that point.
WTF. How does a guy like that even make an NBA roster smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Watch the games. Porker was trash. :lmao
Dude always stat pads in blowouts good though. :lol
So Patty was better than Kawhi too that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Sure thing :lol
Patty was the one who came in up 30 and hit a 3 to go from 1-7 to 2-8 :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
And :lol at single game +/-.
I'm gonna let you pump the whole forbes thing dude. I'm done. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Of course you are :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Murray and Forbes >> Paying Patty 40-50 mil.
Bye Patty, I wont miss your D. Thanks for the shots thst we probablydidnt need vs the Heat
You're turning into a faggot now dude. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Make yourself look like an even bigger dumbass. It's your rep. :lol
He was confusing the 2014 playoffs with the 2010 playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
[QUOTE=dabom;8959448]Make yourself look like an even bigger dumbass.
Im glad. ��
You know our guard depth is shit when people are saying Forbes needs minutes against the Dubs.
So he sucked in Game 2 (at home), Game 4, Game 6 and we're talking fucking Calderon. And excuse me, but the basket that put us ahead on that game VC won with a 3? The Client. So yeah, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
We're talking Tony coming out of a 'MVP' season (2013), right? HOTS? Calderon? really?
Look, I didn't say anything bad about Tony, just that the only reason that series went 7 was because he sucked against fucking Calderon. It's annoying people bringing up his Game 7, like he was some sort of savior, when he couldn't outplay easy competition in the first 6 games. We're talking Calderon, who's a PG that can't event shoot.
Now, if somebody wants to tell me TP was injured, ok. I can get that. But then, he was pretty good against Portland (until the closeout game).
I still remember (I should go bump it up), that the consensus after that series is that the Manu/Tiago pick&roll against Dirk and DeJuan Blair's dumbassery won us that series.
You also gotta give Carlisle props, he really tested our team that series.
no, he's terrible defensively.
We now have 3 rookies who have scored over twenty in a game. That's never happened for the Spurs before. Pop gives you your chances. As Chinook said, Forbes may just have bought himself another NBA season.
Yeah. And some of those assists were pretty good looks. Not just throwing the ball to a wide open dude. Hope you're wrong about the D but I see it. But there's plenty of PG that suck at D. Unfortunately we have 3 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robz4000
Tiago was great in that series, also Diaw probably saved our season with that go ahead 3 in game 4 to keep us from going down 3-1Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Sorry but this post is some bullshit. You have Calderón vs Parker, then suddenly you stop giving Calderón numbers and deflecting with Manu..Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Calderon obviously had good (for him) games in games 4 and 6, but regardless of the stupidity of comparing the two (unless you think theyre in the same tier?), the point with Parker that series was the usual critique of him (only great at scoring) that time it was actually valid because Parker didn't do what he usually does to undermine that critique (take care of the ball). Manu in less minutes had nearly the same total assist and turnovers, had more rebounds, 5x(!) the steals, +20 fta... He also scored 124 to vc's 88 over nearly the same minutes and thoroughly outplayed him overall, Parker with 40 more minutes than Calderón had 2 more assists and three times the turnovers, and that's including the game 7.
Calderón had less of an impact than Parker, but he did outplay him in numerous games despite Parker being a star player on the 1St seed and Calderón being a roleplayer on the 8th. Manu, splitter and diaw saved the Spurs from the worst embarrassment in franchise history. Cherry picking stats from certain games won't change that.
He could play the Mills role off the bench. Someone is going to throw stupid money at Patty and it's going to be his only career payday.
There was no point to listing Calderon's stats in game's 4 and 6 because it doesn't matter. Tony was obviously inefficient and didn't take care of the ball. I'm not "crediting" him for those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by diego
Your also err in reducing the Calderon/Tony matchup to a one-on-one affair. As you said, Calderon was a roleplayer, so he wasn't going to draw any defensive attention nor schemes aside from man coverage. Parker was still the Spurs' best offensive player going into that series and would've faced much tougher team defenses than anything Calderon encountered from the Spurs.
I've joked about the Matt Barnes/Kawhi thing before, but it's the same dynamic. Clippers were focused on Kawhi while the Spurs didn't really give a shit about Matt Barnes.
"Parker couldn't take of the ball."
You realize Manu had more TOs in the series, right? Oh, but those don't "count" since it's Manu, a top 3 beloved Spur of all-time. Parker also averaged more assists, making his overall AST/TO ratio better.
The lengths Parker haters will go to discredit him :lol
End of the day, no one player for the Spurs in that series was consistent from Game 1 to 7. There were a variety of "culprits" responsible for the games the Spurs lost. It's not all on one player. But as I've said, Parker is the only Spur not allowed to make mistakes.
BTW, here's Manu's combined stats in Games 3 and 6, which were swing/closeout games the Spurs lost by one and two points.
9ppg on 22% shooting, 4.5apg, 2.5TOs.
"Manu saved us that series."
:lmao
ElNono get in here and :downspin: this one for the Client.
You didn't know? Manure fans change historyQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
I love Manu, too, but wow are they biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Forbes? You guys MUST be kidding...dude turns down ore shots than a kid's first time at the clinic...no way I'm throwing him in a playoff game over patty based on what they've shown all season
Of course Manu had more turnovers for the series, low turnovers is not manu's strength it's parkers. The fact that Tony had basically the same assists/turnovers as Manu should tell you that it was a poor series for Parker.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Manu brings other things to the table to make up for the turnovers and bad shooting, like 5x the steals, more rebounds, fta, charges drawn if you want to look them up, etc.
I wish Parker keeps playing till 37, 38, 39 just to see if you guys still want to compare his production to Manu at that age..
Basically confirming what we knew all along. Parker gets held to a higher standard than Manure. Parker has the superior numbers all time (and it's not close) but Manure gets ranked above because of his :cry heart :cry ..... or in other words, he's Latino like most of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by diego
Brazil
He's been shitty all year, has one good game against a non playoff team when were resting half the squad and mid thinks he's earned playoff minutes? :lmao
manu and splitter were the mvp's of that series, though duncan carried gamd 1 and parker killed it in game 7Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
We all know the only real reason that series was close in the first place was because of Mr. finals MVP's disappearing act for the vast majority of the series and Monta Ellis going ham sandwich on Ginobili's/Green's/Leonard's Swiss cheese defense. Who was guarding dat Vince carter buzzer again?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGyDSppRxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AywYhaauS5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZcvsi_DV0U
:wow holy shit.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
He needs to shave the beard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Wow, ridiculous Manure fan!Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Let me add some emoticons too... :downspin: :blah:nope:rolleyes:ihit
Who put us up with a clutch basket on the road before that VC3? Let's take a look...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p2EYXcR1uA
So yeah, Vince hit a hell of a shot, but let's not pretend Manu wasn't clutch as fuck at like 37 years old...
Of course he's held to higher standard at that point in his career. Are you kidding me? Manu was like 37 already back then, and in that series he had to guard athletic freaks like Monta or even a guy like Vince Carter that even today is still schooling guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
One of our mismatches that series was HOTS vs Calderon, and it didn't happen until Game 7...
I'm going back to what I said originally, that series went 7 because Tony wasn't HOTS until Game 7... that's factually accurate. Mid even put the numbers.
shades of 2008 game winner against phoenix game 1Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Notice Tony wasn't even on the floor in that play... he was, on paper, our best player... wasn't even out there in the clutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Now, it's completely fair to say he was injured... He eventually missed games in later rounds, so I would buy that explanation, but let's stop pretending he didn't suck until game 7...
I'm not a player fan Nono. I'm responding to the heckling few who want to blame Tony for being the main reason why the Mavs/Spurs series went seven games and that simply couldn't be further from the truth. Feel free to continue putting that series on the spin cycle. Nice shot by Manu though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
It's funny you say this... There were a few highly regarded posters saying all season that statistically speaking, Tony was one of the worst pgs in the league.... And his injuries weren't actually injuries but built-in excuses for his poor play and serious signs of regression.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I said it was 'largely' the reason, not the sole reason (I specifically mentioned Patty sucked too), and I don't think it's any horror to say that. Like I said, if somebody tells me he was injured, I wouldn't necessarily take it as an excuse, seeing he ended up missing games later down the road. But that Tony coming out of a blistering 2013 playoffs couldn't abuse Calderon? He wouldn't even finish games? I mean, I don't think it's unfair at all to say that. Just like it's completely fair to say he did show up in Game 7... (so did Manu and Tim, BTW)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
I don't think I was one of those posters, but, in hindsight, I think it's hard to argue that wasn't the beginning of his decline. Not that series particularly, but that whole playoff run. This was a team that, comes the Finals, moved away from him and went into team play to beat the Heat, and didn't need him to close the Blazers and the Thunder in the WCF. Pop telling him he needed to just lead and Tony saying he had to trust his teammates (there's video of that if you need it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
I'm not 'celebrating' that, I'm just being intellectually honest. I much rather have had explosive Tony than that version. Much like I wanted to have dominant Tim and Manu. But we had what we had.
People accuse me of doing revisionist history when they're doing it themselves... You want to credit Tony for a great series that season? That was the Portland series until he went down.
I was very careful not to use the word "solely". :lol "Largely", "Mostly", "Mainly".... let's not not get hung up on semantics. We both know what that implies. Not in one of my posts did I say Tony had a great series. There were many factors that led the series down the path to seven games. What tops my list is the lack of production from Kawhi Leonard (I know, I know, I'm Satan's baby for acknowledging it) and to a greater extent, the inability to slowdown Monta Ellis. We're talking about a five, possibly four game series if Monta Ellis doesn't go off and that's taking into account Tony Parker's production, or lack thereof, depending on your school of thought. Personally, based on expectation from the regular season, he had a realistically good series. He was plagued by the lack of overall consistency that was present in 2013 but, he was fairly decent and had his moments in nearly all the games but, stepped up big, in the clutch of a do or die game 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Not going to scrutinize Tony's defense anymore than it has to be because it's never been good, not even in his prime. If opposing players are putting up big numbers against Parker (more so now than in the past), it usually has to do with poor help defense. The defense struggled at times in that series. Speaking about Calderon, not sure what, if any specific plays from that series are lodged in your memory that makes you think he torched Parker. Outside of game three, he didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Also, Tony's defense was that bad at all, victim of some picks, had his hand in Calderon's face on some shots, ya know, all the good things we say about Leonard and Ginobili when they get beat on the defensive end. Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the offensive player even if that players name is Matt Barnes, I mean Alexey Shved, I mean Jose Calderon. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VeSCb2NcLs
where did i say otherwise? seems like you're going full "rent free" tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Focus, my Spurs friends!
I'm psyched for Bryn Forbes big night. It's a positive thing. Nice way to end his rookie season and we might need a shooter in a situation or two. Doubt he plays in playoffs this year, though.
I have a feeling that Pop sees something in him and I trust that.
comment wasn't directed at you, tbh... just saying, I keep hearing (not from you) that game 7 is apparently all that matters in that series...Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
:lol I'm not hating, tbh, I'm just shredding the notion there's some 'rewriting history' stuff going on here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Kawhi that year didn't even get plays called for him, hard to make that argument. I won't. If you want to draw a parallel, then you can easily look at the Clippers series a year later, where Matt Barnes didn't score 20 a game, but on paper that was a matchup where we were supposed to have an advantage. That we didn't, at least completely, you can blame on the coach, the player, both, but it's not rewriting history to say it happened.
EDIT: About Calderon, he's a slow footed, bad defender, that couldn't shoot. But we couldn't exploit it. Like I said, you can blame it on whoever, but Game 7 wasn't an aberration, it should've been more or less the norm (you can have a bad game or two), considering the matchup, IMO.
The two games the spurs lost by 1 and 2, Manu averaged 9ppg on 22 percent. So no. He didn't carry shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
cherry pick 2 games. incredible analysis. especially when in one of those games (loss by 1) he hit the go ahead shot that was spoiled by carter's insane 3. so even in one of the 2 games you decided to cherry pick, he was THIS close to being the hero hitting the game winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
The guy is a cherry picker. :lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
and in the 4 wins he averaged 19.8 points on 48% shooting, 4.5 assists, 2.8 steals in about 28 min per game
Damn..reminds me of the fact that I havent had sex in two months. Been wanting to Pop a legal 17 year old cherry but his dad is intimidating. Wouldn't surprise me if he breaks a part of my body :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Porker:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
post about manu... replies about parkerQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
rent free
do you check under your bed for tony parker before you sleep every night?
I bet he will when he gets married.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
:lmao This level of Philo'ing.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I actually started out by posting the series stats, then Manu fans came in here and started referencing individual games and moments. "Well, if Manu didn't do this and that in this one and that other game, Spurs would've lost the series. He carried us!" And :lol at using the Kobe defense for Manu. ":cry I know he was inefficient the rest of the game, b-b-but, um, he hit a big shot!"
The argument against Parker that Manu fans countered with regarding this series was that if Parker played up to par, the series would've never gone 7. Guess what? Manu played well, well under par in 2 close losses (22% fuckin' shooting). So that exact same argument can be applied to him. But he probably dove for a loose ball or something and all was forgiven because "dat heart."
And about those stats in wins:
Parker 21.5ppg, 47%, 4.5apg.
All-star level stats by any measure.
Think before you Philo.
Why are you comparing Manu's role and Tony's role in that team? Up to that season, it was Parker's team. HOTS. He had a favorable matchup in that series... he didn't even close out those 'close' games...Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Why do you gloss over any of those arguments?
Look, that's not hating on Tony. Yes, much more was expected of him than Manu, and yes Manu and Tiago did deliver much more than anybody else that series.
Just like Tony was a whole lot better than Manu against Portland, in the following series. There's no shame in that, there's no hating on Manu for saying it, tbh...
i'm not speaking for what other people said. i just lol'd at your 2 game sample size to show :cry how bad manu was :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
and even in your stupid cherry picking, its a nice bonus that he hit a would be game winner in one of them
2 game sample size? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
You realize losing 2 games in a playoff series is a huge deal, right? Reminder: The Spurs lost 3 games in that series. Manu was far below his standards (moreso than Parker) in two of those games. Yet it was ":cry All Porker's fault it went to 7 :cry."
Again, think before you Philo.
you keep saying this. it's not a position i've taken. and you can keep saying philo all you want if you think it enhances your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
and yeah, a 2 game sample size is retarded. you can take any 7 game series and point to a player's 2 worst games. i mean just look at how shitty kawhi was in the '14 finals. or duncan against the pistons