Why? So you can belittle me about where I got it or it not pertaining to a certain topic or whatever it you are ultimately going to rag on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Can't I just say I made it up? But trust me.
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Why? So you can belittle me about where I got it or it not pertaining to a certain topic or whatever it you are ultimately going to rag on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Can't I just say I made it up? But trust me.
Game over.
Ah hell... here it is buddy oh pal!
1990's number:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/msa/msa1.html
2003's number:
http://www.sanantonio.gov/news/pdf/2003AnnualReport.pdf
Nope, I have some quarters left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
So we have two numbers. Great. Any idea on where San Antonio ranks in terms of median household income among NBA cities?
Envious of what? Your San Antonio worship?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWriter
I must admit that I am having a little fun beating you up while I work on a project.
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
You tell me. That's why I asked. I wasn't being abstract.
Beating me up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Again, you like to see it the way you want to see it.
Sad, really.
So we have two numbers, numbers for which it isn't even clear come from the same series. We have no other comparable data from other MSAs for 2003 to compare your number which originiated from the City of San Antonio.
Good job, kiddo.
As opposed to... what? Your numbers? Your evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Equally as good, pal.
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Originally Posted by TheWriter
Bullshit, dumbass. Those two numbers mean nothing on their own.
Well, no they do. They tell the story of a increase by about 15,000 dollars in 13 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
When did the Spurs become one of the most successful franchises financially? Possibly when they started winning championships, but I haven't found any information to indicate the team has been consistently in the black, if at all, since then. The incredible success of the team on the court won't last forever, so the fact that the Spurs might actually be making money during the middle of a possible dynasty doesn't really make the city particularly attractive as a market for a sports team, especially for the most losing team in the history of sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWriter
Don't worry, the poor boy just doesn't get it.
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Originally Posted by TheWriter
Don't argue with MB, he doesn't comprehend stuff he doesn't want to. He still refuses to admit that "market" and "TV Market" are COMPLETELY different things.
FACT: San Antonio has a HUGE maket. That DOES include Austin. Whether they take advantage of it or not has nothing to do with the argument. If i sell live lobsters in downtown san antonio but no one buys them, i have a fuckin' huge market still. Its an escape by saying otherwise.
Whether or not a bus deal is sponsored by the spurs the fact remains any die hard fan CAN get on a bus and cart their ass down to the stadium.
So the companies with luxury boxes will do what, sit on the sideline in folding chairs? Also, you've just taken away all the home-court advantage for the Spurs in the playoffs in order to sell cheap tickets, because the Spurs would hate shooting in the Alamodome as much as anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by remingtonbo2001
Oh goodie, another opportunity to kick this nutjob around.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Do you not understand that TV markets drive pro sports today? TV market and "market" are one in the same.
Fact: you yourself admit that you have never been to SA nor are familiar with the region. The Spurs do not do well in Austin for a number of reasons, all of which have been addressed time and time again in this forum.Quote:
FACT: San Antonio has a HUGE maket. That DOES include Austin. Whether they take advantage of it or not has nothing to do with the argument. If i sell live lobsters in downtown san antonio but no one buys them, i have a fuckin' huge market still. Its an escape by saying otherwise.
:lol What a loon. Most people drive in Texas. The Spurs have not done well in Austin despite winning 3 championships and only being an hour away.Quote:
Whether or not a bus deal is sponsored by the spurs the fact remains any die hard fan CAN get on a bus and cart their ass down to the stadium.
Your desperation as an apologist for the postseason failures of the Timberwolves and Garnett over the last decade has made you stupid, much like Buddy Holly's lusting for all things San Antonio.
So what's the difference? I'm curious. I'm not sure why all the venom from people that think it's insulting to attempt to explain why the NFL doesn't want to move to San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
San Antonio + Austin = Orlando. Not exactly "HUGE". Like it or not, Austin is 70 miles away. Are we going to include Philadelphia in the New York market, too? I'm sure the NFL will be very receptive to the "lobster market" argument. The ability of a salesman to move from one location to another should translate well to the concept of a team with a stadium in a fixed location.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Denial and hopes won't make the market richer or larger or more attractive to the NFL. Also, the fact that I say this doesn't mean I dislike San Antonio.
Not exactly a scintillating argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
:rolleyes Once again MB refuses to comprehend things. I wrote this MONTHS ago in a similar argument which you were involved in. LOL at stating "FACT" in front of obviously incorrect statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by SickDSM
As for markets and TV markets. Why do you think the Twins were in danger of being contracted dumbass? Small market. Get it? Why do you think they throw the "TV or Media" in front of the word market? To differentiate the two. SA has a big market in terms of population. I would LOVE to see the figures of the population in a 100 mile radius of san antonio. Answer these two questions truthfully and i'll be done with you. Does SA have the dropoff that las vegas or Mps does RIGHT outside the metro area? If its a yes then your a liar. Do fans in these areas play a major part? If its a no, then your a liar also, or the many, many fans such as me don't exist. St. Paul and Minneapolis are drastically differnt also. My sister gets angry when someone says she lives in Mps. So what? Look the fucking word market up and then tell me what the hell it has to do with the amount of tvs or media.
You're right. I fail to comprehend your stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Minneapolis-St. Paul is not a small TV market. It's significantly larger than San Antonio's.Quote:
As for markets and TV markets. Why do you think the Twins were in danger of being contracted dumbass? Small market. Get it? Why do you think they throw the "TV or Media" in front of the word market? To differentiate the two.
No, I don't get it. Because you have no point. Media market and "market" are one in the same, especially when you are talking about any pro sport.
Again, dumbfuck, the SA MSA does not consist of a 100 mile radius surrounding San Antonio. Again, in case you have not noticed, the US Census Bureau does not recognize Austin as being a part of the San Antonio MSA. Austin has its own MSA because it is distinct from San Antonio in terms of geography. It is also worth noting that the Census Bureau does not include San Marcos within the SA MSA. San Marcos is roughly 25 miles closer to SA than Austin.Quote:
SA has a big market in terms of population. I would LOVE to see the figures of the population in a 100 mile radius of san antonio.
So if the Census Bureau does not recognize the populations of Austin and San Marcos as being a part of the San Antonio geographic market, then your nonsense about the San Antonio "market" including them is null and void.
Holy crap you have no idea what you are trying to argue. Austin is not next door to San Antonio.Quote:
Answer these two questions truthfully and i'll be done with you. Does SA have the dropoff that las vegas or Mps does RIGHT outside the metro area? If its a yes then your a liar. Do fans in these areas play a major part? If its a no, then your a liar also, or the many, many fans such as me don't exist. St. Paul and Minneapolis are drastically differnt also. My sister gets angry when someone says she lives in Mps. So what? Look the fucking word market up and then tell me what the hell it has to do with the amount of tvs or media.
Pro sports is dominated by TV market size and the economic conditions within those markets. Where do you think the NBA and NFL receive most of their revenues from? Ticket sales?
Get a clue, chump.
Marcus, do you know what MSA, CMSA, and PMSA are?
Bud Selig threatened to contract the Twins to blackmail the city into giving them a new stadium. Market size had nothing to do with it. Minneapolis/St. Paul ranks between 13th and 15th in market size. You might want to be careful before calling someone a dumbass.
Do you know anything about Texas? Austin is not a big sports town for anybody that doesn't wear burnt orange. Austin is full of computer geeks, artists, politicians, college students and hippies. They don't particularly like anyone outside of Austin and have no intention of becoming part of Spurs country regardless of the efforts by the team to market them there. They would also bristle at your continued ignorant suggestion that they are part of the San Antonio market.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWriter
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Saints Could End Up In L.A.
Team, League Weighing Options
By Mark Maske and Leonard Shapiro
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 27, 2005; E01
NEW ORLEANS, Oct. 26 -- The NFL will consider relocating the New Orleans Saints to Los Angeles if New Orleans is unable to recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, three sources familiar with the league's deliberations on the matter said.
The NFL plans to return the Saints to New Orleans if the city demonstrates it can still support the team, the officials said. But they said the league is concerned that the area will not be able to fully bounce back and is thus open to the possibility of having the Saints play in San Antonio next season and then move permanently to Los Angeles.
The Saints have been based in San Antonio since being displaced by the hurricane in August, but the league has no interest in that city as a permanent home for the club, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because no firm decisions have been made and the deliberations are at a sensitive stage. The NFL has been actively seeking to return to Los Angeles, the second-largest television market in the country, which has not had a franchise since the Raiders left for Oakland after the 1994 season.
"We're going to try to ride out the rest of this year the best way we can," a source involved in the discussions said. "They could very well spend another year in San Antonio. If you're looking at it long-term, L.A. is a no-brainer. But I also think we need to give New Orleans and Louisiana a shot. We have absolutely no obligation to San Antonio. None."
A decision to move the Saints would be a major blow to civic pride and morale in New Orleans as it seeks to rebuild. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) plans to make the state's case for keeping the franchise in the city this weekend when she meets with NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue.
The Saints have played two home games at the Alamodome in San Antonio and have a third scheduled to be played there in December. The Saints are playing four home games in Baton Rouge, La., beginning Sunday against the Miami Dolphins.
The club's usual home stadium, the Louisiana Superdome, was damaged by Katrina and its subsequent use as a shelter for people displaced by the hurricane, but officials said the building remains structurally sound and they have begun repairing it. The repairs will cost an estimated $125 million to $200 million and could be completed as soon as mid-October next year, Superdome officials said. They added that they are debating whether to begin previously planned improvements that would cost an additional $175 million.
Superdome officials said they expect all, or practically all, of the cost of repairing the building to be covered by insurance money and federal funds. But the state would have to come up with a different means to fund any improvements. State officials are hopeful that the Saints could split their home schedule between LSU's Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge and the Superdome next season.
Blanco plans to meet this weekend with Tagliabue and Saints owner Tom Benson when all three are in Baton Rouge for the Saints-Dolphins game. State leaders hope that Tagliabue will convince NFL team owners, who must approve any franchise relocation by a three-fourths margin, that the league has a moral obligation to keep the club in New Orleans.
"I don't think they want the impression that we go through the worst disaster in the nation's history, and the Saints cut and run because the owner wanted to move," said Steve Scalise, a Republican member of the state legislature who is heavily involved in the city's rebuilding efforts. "I think that we will be able to keep the team here for now, and then we need to rebuild and recover. And hopefully as that happens, we will be capable of supporting an NFL franchise."
Even before Katrina hit, there were reports that Benson was interested in moving the team after this season to San Antonio, where he has strong business ties, or Los Angeles or Albuquerque. Benson said at an owners' meeting last summer that he had received a $1 billion offer for the franchise from potential buyers he refused to name. He has since alternated between saying he had no intention of leaving New Orleans and saying he would consider all options. He said the club needed a new stadium, not a refurbished Superdome, to be competitive.
There were reports that the Saints had sold only about 25,000 season tickets at the Superdome this season.
The other major professional team in town, the NBA's Hornets, will play 35 home games in Oklahoma City and six in Baton Rouge this season. Hornets owner George Shinn told the Times-Picayune newspaper he hopes to play three regular season games in March at New Orleans Arena, which is expected to be ready for occupancy by then. The arena was flooded and has structural damage.
One NFL team owner, who is a member of an owners advisory panel appointed by Tagliabue to look into the Saints issue, said "the league is trying to do the right thing" and keep the franchise in New Orleans but might not be able to do so because the city "has terrible troubles."
"I can't imagine spending that kind of money on the stadium when everything else needs to be fixed," said the owner, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Tagliabue said last month that the league wanted to participate in the discussions about the rebuilding of New Orleans and be a part of the city's rebirth but that it was premature to speculate about the Saints' future when the entire Gulf Coast region was trying to recover from the hurricane. It's possible that Tagliabue will address the Saints' situation publicly this weekend. The matter was to be discussed at an owners' meeting Wednesday and Thursday in Kansas City, Mo., but the meeting was postponed after the death of Giants owner Wellington Mara on Tuesday.
The Saints have already taken steps to attempt to void their lease at their training facility. Officials said they have until Nov. 27 to exercise a clause in their Superdome lease that enables them to void the lease and leave New Orleans without having to repay the state $81 million in subsidies if the Superdome is unusable. State officials said they would contest any attempt by the Saints to exercise that clause.
Benson issued a written statement last week saying that he had made no decisions about the future of the team beyond this season. A Saints spokesman said Wednesday that the team had no further comment about its future.
Shapiro reported from Washington.
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