85pts...

Yeah, we have to learn in the first round. That series against Dallas in 2014 was difficult but made everything click. It clicked because it was difficult.

This team doesn't have the fear factor. The defense can't get stops when they need them and the offense is pretty one dimensional. To think the Spurs actually tried to win this game and the sad thing was they never really had a chance. The Clips were toying with the Spurs all night.

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But can they generate enough offense you think? Screw Parker but Mills can sometimes keep the defense honest even tough his owefense leaves a lot to be desired.

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Kawhi, Green, Manu, LA, Dedmon or Kawhi, Green, Manu, Bertans, LA... floor spacing solved. No liabilities defensively they can exploit.

Mills is hit or miss. I love the guy for the teammate and person he is and how he hustles, but his value is strictly tied to his shot going in and going 3 for 6 or 4 for 6 from 3 every game or every series just is not going to happen. In the long run, he will give up more on the defensive end than he'll give on the offensive end. The past two years in the playoffs, teams have deliberately attacked both Tony and Mills and that's how OKC and LAC pulled the upsets the past two years. Of course there were other reasons, but having a weaklink like those two in at ALL times is such a pain in the ass and shot in the foot from the opening tip.

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I've been saying they need to do this on here and on twitter. It's their only hope vs. HOU and GS. They have to implement lineups of Kawhi, Manu, Green, Simmons or Anderson, Dedmon or LA. Or Kawhi, Simmons, Green, LA, Dedmon, ect.

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Frankly
I wanted to see Bertans too.
Lee didn't bring much here.
I feel like Pop is missing the boat with Bertans this season.

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Frankly
I wanted to see Bertans too.
Lee didn't bring much here.
I feel like Pop is missing the boat with Bertans this season.

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans, particular on the defensive end. You can't sub him out every half possession so no matter how much you like his floor spacing abilities on the offensive side of the ball, he's virtually unplayable on the defensive end. The fact that you're bringing this up just goes to show you that the so-called Spurs depth is more myth based than fact.

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans, particular on the defensive end. You can't sub him out every half possession so no matter how much you like his floor spacing abilities on the offensive side of the ball, he's virtually unplayable on the defensive end. The fact that you're bringing this up just goes to show you that the so-called Spurs depth is more myth based than fact.

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Lee is not known as any kind of defensive presence. He was taken to the rim several times with no resistance too... and he didn't grab a single defensive board, which is valuable and I am aware is a Bertans weakness.

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans, particular on the defensive end. You can't sub him out every half possession so no matter how much you like his floor spacing abilities on the offensive side of the ball, he's virtually unplayable on the defensive end. The fact that you're bringing this up just goes to show you that the so-called Spurs depth is more myth based than fact.

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans. The guy can defend. He's not a Kawhi, but he's close to Kyle on the defensive end. He's probably one of the smartest when it comes to awareness on both ends, out of the young players on the team. IMO.

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I've been saying they need to do this on here and on twitter. It's their only hope vs. HOU and GS. They have to implement lineups of Kawhi, Manu, Green, Simmons or Anderson, Dedmon or LA. Or Kawhi, Simmons, Green, LA, Dedmon, ect.

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Exactly. But I doubt Pop will do this in playoffs. Sadly, he's too much conservative and structured for a lineup w/o a point guard.

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At least Pop recognized the lack of effort and will try to get the players intensity back....No rest for the un-weary..

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Damn...He blames players' effort when he's the only one responsible for killing their rhythm with all the resting in the last two games

Patrick Mccaw of the Warriors is better than all the guards on this team, lol Spurs organization!

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Kawhi, Green, Manu, LA, Dedmon or Kawhi, Green, Manu, Bertans, LA... floor spacing solved. No liabilities defensively they can exploit.

Mills is hit or miss. I love the guy for the teammate and person he is and how he hustles, but his value is strictly tied to his shot going in and going 3 for 6 or 4 for 6 from 3 every game or every series just is not going to happen. In the long run, he will give up more on the defensive end than he'll give on the offensive end. The past two years in the playoffs, teams have deliberately attacked both Tony and Mills and that's how OKC and LAC pulled the upsets the past two years. Of course there were other reasons, but having a weaklink like those two in at ALL times is such a pain in the ass and shot in the foot from the opening tip.

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Good call :tu

Spurs desperately need to acquire a PG next season, even if it's George Hill. It's ridiculous how bad the guard situation is.

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We badly need a penetrating Guard.

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so did erin barry

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans, particular on the defensive end. You can't sub him out every half possession so no matter how much you like his floor spacing abilities on the offensive side of the ball, he's virtually unplayable on the defensive end. The fact that you're bringing this up just goes to show you that the so-called Spurs depth is more myth based than fact.

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u guys are exaggerating how bad bertrans is on defense...he is decent...can guard on switches...actually makes an effort to rim protect

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Spurs desperately need to acquire a PG next season, even if it's George Hill. It's ridiculous how bad the guard situation is.

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dude...we have murray...getting another PG is like getting a different pg because we didnt think rookie TP was good enough (even before TP was given the starting position). i find it unbelievable no one else can see that murray is EXACTLY what we need...dude will take us to the next level

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I think you're missing the boat on Bertans. The guy can defend. He's not a Kawhi, but he's close to Kyle on the defensive end. He's probably one of the smartest when it comes to awareness on both ends, out of the young players on the team. IMO.

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exactly

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I'm pretty skeptical about this team's ability to get past the second round, but how they play right before the playoffs hasn't always been indicative of how they will perform in the postseason. They were on a 10-game win streak entering the postseason in 2012 and then flamed out in the WCF. In 2013, they were slumping hard at the end of the regular season but ended up making the Finals. Also, in 2015 they were hot (minus the Pelicans loss) but lost in the first round. I think the 2005 & 2007 teams entered the postseason on losing streaks. The 2014 team had gone 3-4 in their last 7 games and entered the postseason on a 2-game losing streak.

Basically, it's hard to draw conclusions about the Spurs' playoff hopes based on the final weeks of the regular season. You don't always know what you're going to get with them.

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Yeah, you're right about some of that. But I'll never be anything but pissed off about that last RS game against the Pelicans, in 2015. They pissed off one game and dropped from the 2 seed to the 5 seed. They would have had a different first round opponent, and home court for the first two rounds, and they just tanked it.

And in 2011 they won 61 games, but they lost 8 of their last 12. Lots of people here were insisting that the 61 wins meant more than the .333 finish to the season, but it was pretty obvious that they weren't going anywhere in the playoffs, regardless of how many RS wins they had.

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At least Pop recognized the lack of effort and will try to get the players intensity back....No rest for the un-weary..

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:lol that Pop stare-down at that idiotic reporter

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Yeah, you're right about some of that. But I'll never be anything but pissed off about that last RS game against the Pelicans, in 2015. They pissed off one game and dropped from the 2 seed to the 5 seed. They would have had a different first round opponent, and home court for the first two rounds, and they just tanked it.

And in 2011 they won 61 games, but they lost 8 of their last 12. Lots of people here were insisting that the 61 wins meant more than the .333 finish to the season, but it was pretty obvious that they weren't going anywhere in the playoffs, regardless of how many RS wins they had.

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Yeah, that team had disaster written all over it. This year's team is a mystery to me. They haven't really melted down, they were something like 16-3 over their previous 19 games up until that Warriors loss. But their play as a whole lately has left a lot to be desired.

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The lack of perimeter play-making from the guard position is just flat out disgusting..I'm officially open to all scenarios of playoff embarrassment for this team.

People forget that the Spurs got a decent-ish Parker in the OKC series and still got bounced..They'll have a much worse version this postseason and Mills who's been slumping for months..

Pop should ponder non- TP/Mills lineups in the playoffs so at least we can cover-up our asses on defense go all-in on that end--try to win basketball games in slugfests..

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Lol, Spurstalk wanted Parker to stop shooting...so he did and now everyone wants his production back. Lol wow.

Spurs offensive rating in February: 105.6, March and April (this game not included): 106 . . . league average: 106.9.

:lmao At those who took shots at Duncan (as if there was something he could have done to prevent his one decent knee from filling giving out) and thought they'd be improved offensively with Gasol.

I've been saying it for 3 seasons now: While still efficient, they're not explosive offensively. I don't care how good they are defensively, no one is winning a championship in this era like that.

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Spurs offensive rating in February: 105.6, March and April (this game not included): 106 . . . league average: 106.9.

:lmao At those who took shots at Duncan (as if there was something he could have done to prevent his one decent knee from filling giving out) and thought they'd be improved offensively with Gasol.

I've been saying it for 3 seasons now: While still efficient, they're not explosive offensively. I don't care how good they are defensively, no one is winning a championship in this era like that.

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the offense was actually fine in Dec/early Jan but Green/Mills shooting falling off cliff along with Parker losing whatever pulse he had in those two months has cratered it..

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How do i post images from my mobile ? Damn im
such an idiot

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the offense was actually fine in Dec/early Jan but Green/Mills shooting falling off cliff along with Parker losing whatever pulse he had in those two months has cratered it..

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But those things were inevitable. The former because they were both shooting unsustainable percentages and the latter needs no elaboration.

Really, they're probably somewhere in between December/January and February on, but that's not good enough.

If another elite regular season gives way to another early playoff flameout, despite the limited financial flexibility, I'm beginning to think they at the very least they look into drastic changes, both personnel and philosophically. Pop seems to have finally realized that, no matter the continuity or health, they're not good enough offensively and running it back again will only lead to a similar fate.