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Every team this 5'11 PG has played for was competitive. A legit top 5 superstar every year. He might have declined this year, but who in the history of the NBA can we honestly say His prescne alone would turn the franchise into a 50+ team..
He's better than system player Nash, better than Kid, better than stockton.
Realisticly, he's the third best PG ever behind Aids and Curry.
It's a shame people are so enormed with counting stats, but my god his advanced numbers are so Godly. Paul, Lebron, Durant might have very well been the three best players in the world in the last 7 years.
Kobe was never top 5, realistixly speaking.
You just found out he was a superstar?
Always been a fan of his game (he can be a bitch sometimes). He's a bit of a choker, though.
Chris Paul, even at his slightly declined state this season, on this Spurs team would be godly. Also the best defensive PG in the league, along with Avery Bradley and Patrick Beverly.
No way he's better than Kidd and relax with bitch boy curry
He's the best PG of the past decade. One of the most underrated to ever play.
I'd put him up against any point guard in history.
Even if Parker has 4 rings, I take Chris Paul over him any day of the week.
Best leader in the current NBA. The legit and real head of the snake
Choke Paul is trash, he just looks like the GOAT PG when compared to Porker.
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
This. Stockton could run in circles around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse
Uptime Kidd was better, but he punched his wife, so I'd expect Kidd not to play fair.
I'm on the CP3 train..
I want him to be a Spur next season. He's exactly what this team needs....a floor general who can execute and run an offense to get others involved and play better.
I know it's a long shot or pipe dream but Spurs gottta kick the tires
If he wants to come here i´d gladly take him, i don´t think it´s real to expect it.
Would have to give up a lot of money and the Spurs would need to ship off Parker and another player.
Paul will be 33 by next playoffs. That's right at the severe drop off line for a point guard. And knowing the Spurs, they would give him a huge contact and be stuck with another old PG waisting Kawhis prime years.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
OP's post lost all credibility when it listed Curry (:lmao) as 2nd best PG ever... is this a joke?
I really don´t think Paul´s game will age that badly, he s a consistent shooter from midrange, has good court vision, is serviceable on defense and doesn´t depend much on athleticism. He seems like the kind of player that works on his game as he ages like TD before, and Manu now have shown.Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
realistically, how are you not pinked?Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
I don't disagree, but he's also always been very injury prone... that doesn't get better with age.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaji157
Every time he plays SA he's unconscious. Fucker never misses it seems like and has no problem scoring on SA when he seems passive to take over vs other teams. Just glad they're not in our playoff bracket tbh
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Originally Posted by UZER
That's cool. Still would love the Spurs to build a team around CP3 and Kawhi...
Everybody else wants to pay Hill, Mills or Holiday or hand the keys to Murray. Neither one of those players are true point guards and this team needs a player who can properly facilitate an offense and be a leader..
Kawhis all the leader I need. Paul would dominate the ball too much and take it away from Kawhi and team passing (though be good for LA). If I could I would take a younger Parker, which would be Murray with a medium range shot. Murrays also got good size.
I think we have to wait til summer league and check Murray out. Im good with George Hill too.
Paul is a great player but deep inside a loser... he is never the one to blame because he hides like a bitch when times are tough. He quits on his team in those POs late 4th quarters games.
I'm not a big fan tbh
This. He's a great player but he has like 3 extra gears he brings to the Spurs gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
I don't get why he always crashes out in the second round. There's something in him that just loses, in the end.
Parker is the better player.
Paul only started dominating this matchup after Parker's decline.
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CP3 never had Duncan, Ginobili, Bowen, Horry to make him look better.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyMax
Prime TP with NO and Clips would be a joke.
Is it him or is it his teams? Remember, he's been on teams with notable choking histories like the Hornets with ultimate choker Peja, and the Clippers (one of the worst franchises ever in sports history along with the Browns) with other chokers like GriffinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
But damn watching the way he controls the tempo of the game is beautiful. Games with him in it always play at his pace. And Kawhi needs to watch some tape on how CP3 can absolutely destroy a double team
The only thing Chris Paul loves more than the perfect assist is the perfect nut punch. Gimme Kidd. He dragged a couple of shitty rosters to the NBA Finals.
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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
most clutch player since jordan :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Choke Paul is the primary reason why those teams have notable choking histories. Nobody else on any of the teams he's been on has choked harder than he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEd8fCgwMJU
#10 is cp3 breaking tony's ankles :lol
#1 in that video was cp3 scoring an and 1 on tony :lol
Andre Miller's reaction :lol
Don't know if even possible but Spurs should try to go for him, even with the injury proness and age questions. He would fit like a glove here, he might even turn Dedmon into an all-star by just throwong lobs to hin like he did with Deandre.
This, and a few others above, but this is probably not a serious threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Horse
CP3 is a very good PG. You could have just said that. But saying that every team he's been on has been competitive? His teams won 37, 38, 39, and 46 games, in four of his six years in NO. And his first year in LAC, they won 40 games.
Bottom line, his teams have NEVER been competitive just because of him. He's been on several good teams with both Blake Griffen and DeAndre Jordan. And he was on one good team in NO, when David West and Tyson Chandler were both at their peak, and Peja was knocking down close to half of his 3P attempts. As good as CP3 is, and I don't dispute that he's good, he's never been an automatic 50-win kind of guy.
op did you ever pop this guy's cherry?
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
This is true except for the times we bounced him out of the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leetonidas
Paul's better than Curry all-time. I don't care how historically great the latter's previous 2 regular seasons were, it's not like he has an amazing individual playoff track record and he damn sure doesn't have the longevity of elite play that the former does. Paul long ago usurped Stockton as the greatest pure point guard of all time.
:lmao At the notion of him being a "choker". Most of his "clutch" (nonsense, since there is no such thing, but people buy into it) stats have always been good. In addition, he's a 5'11'' guy, who hasn't had explosive speed/quickness since his knee injuries over a half decade ago, nor has he ever played on a top 2 team in the West. Sure, the door was open in '15 to at least make the WCF and they collectively pissed it away, but still. There's no track record in the history of the game of someone of his stature being able to win a championship as the clear cut best player.
What kind of fan are you??? Parker has schooled Paul plenty of times and you bring one play that shows opposite. Addicted to hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
EDIT - Ok I watched it and it is funny...but still....
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Originally Posted by TD 21
I can't say Paul is better than Stockton. Stockton owning the all time assist and steal record and much better playoff success puts him ahead. TBH, Stockton was a victim of being great in the Jordan era as it cost him 2NBA titles.
The Jordan Era was weak. It's why no one couldn't win a damn thing. They couldn't even beat a 6th seed Hakeem.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
The counting Stats will hurt Paul, but no way in hell os stockton every carrying a team.
Him and Durant all time- lifetime loser team.
That a 6th seed Rockets team beat the Jazz doesnt prove the Jordan era was weak. To me it shows that Houston could turn it on when it matters. Also I would take Hakeem on my team against ANY era.Quote:
Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
Only s great regular season player since he's never had any success in the playoffs. Since NBA players really only try in the playoffs, that means his success has all come when the other team isn't trying.
i didn't post the video to disparage tony. i posted it cause i'm a big cp3 fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
it just happened that #10 and #1 came against him.
Pure = small guard, that's a full time point guard on both sides of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by 140
James and Johnson are the greatest point guards ever, but they're 6'8'', the former is a combo forward defensively and I believe the latter spent plenty of time defending forwards too.
:lmao Cliché, vanilla fan, believing in the "clutch" myth. It's all about sample size. Over time, if given enough chances most players will progress or regress to the mean.
About time someone else on this damn site recognizes this. Props TD :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Bit of an understatement :lol.. but overall yes to this postQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Clutch is just a cool name to being mentally tough when the pressure increases in a game/series.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
The more consistent someone is performing in those situations, the more clutch he is considered.
I'm curious about why do you guys think this aspect does not exist, even when the statistics and probability concepts you're mentioning are true, of course.
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
:lol it won't happen in Paul case, dude avoid shooting in the clutch anyway because he is too afraid
For the rest it seems you both never play any competitive sport. Shooting in the clutch during the finals, serving for the game in tennis for a great slam or whatever is the holy grail for your level etc... if you compare those moments to a normal play you are at best ignorant of how it works.
Some will forget about pressure, others will freeze, others will avoid those moments and differ...
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Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub
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Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
New Orleans
'06 38-44
'07 39-43
'08 56-26 Dynomite David West in prime dropping 20/9, Tyson Chandler prime, Peja Stoyakovich dropping treys at 44%. Please.
'09 49-33
'10 37-45
'11 46-36
Clippers
'12 40-26
Lost credibility? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
How someone can watch Choke Paul's playoff career and not believe that clutchness and choking exist is beyond me. Like, how often can you watch that faggot start overdribbling, bricking, turning it over and expecting Jamal Crawful/Jannero Pargo to bail him out down the stretch of playoff games before it sinks in that he can't be counted on in those situations? Plus he comes out passive and scared in nearly every elimination game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Maybe his "sample size" would be bigger if he didn't choke against inferior or evenly-matched teams in Round 1 or 2 every year.
CP3 gets a raw deal. Blake is a very good offensive player, but you can't depend on him defensively. Jordan is primarily a rebounder and good help defender. CP3 sets up offense for him. He'll never win one with this Clippers team. He would thrive with Spurs. Kawhi would be able to play off the ball and still actually get the ball. If he passes up on re-signing with the Clips I have to imagine the Spurs would be #1 on his list.
that is how i feel. that's why i still have some small sliver of hope...Quote:
Originally Posted by eDizzle20
I like paul, like him to take a dirtnap fuck this faggot motherfucker
CP3 is up there as one of the most underrated players of this generation, IMO. GOAT-tier regular season stats, and his playoff struggles are vastly exaggerated/blown out of proportion.
He's really only shat the bed in 2 playoff series in his career - '09 1st round against Denver, and '12 2nd round against SA. Outside of those 2 series, he's performed pretty damn well in every series he's played. Yes, he's had some choke moments and deserves some of the criticism he receives...but he's also been clutch a lot as well, and consistently ranks near the top in terms of clutch stats. His postseason numbers are still incredibly impressive as a whole. Given the strength of the opponents he's faced in the West throughout his career + his individual performance, his lack of even a WCF appearance can at least somewhat be excused.
In the end, I agree with the notion of him being a top 3 PG of all-time.
Isn't he still a conference finals virgin?
Not true. He also shat the bed against the Spurs in '08, the Grizzlies in '13, the Warriors in '14 (which we still won because of Blake carrying CP0's choking ass and getting no credit for it), the Thunder in '14, and the Rockets in '15.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan86
What criticism? Blake is the one who always gets blamed when we lose in the playoffs. Choke Paul has always had excuses made for him and scapegoats to hide behind. He and Durbeta have both been coddled their whole careers.Quote:
Yes, he's had some choke moments and deserves some of the criticism he receives...
None of the teams he's faced have even made it to the Finals, let alone won it. They've always been evenly matched or inferior. LeBron has been vilified for not beating championship teams and dynasties all by himself with D-League supporting casts, but we're supposed to feel bad for Choke Paul because he can't beat any team with a pulse in the playoffs? Gimme a break.Quote:
Given the strength of the opponents he's faced in the West throughout his career
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
Where were the Clippers before CP3??
Quit hating
You're a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
In the playoffs, CP3 only has averaged: 21 points, 9 assists, 5 boards and 2 steals per game on 49% shooting 38% from 3. BPM of 8 for his playoff career, VORP of 6.5, PER of 25.5.
As a comparison. Our 4 time champion Tony Parker has avg.: 18 points, 5 assists and 3 rebounds on 46% shooting, 30% from 3. BPM of 0 for his playoff career, VORP of 3.7 and PER of 16.8.
CP3 haters are morons.
When did I say Porker wasn't a massive choke artist in his own right? Porker was dragged to his rings by Duncan, Manu and Kawhi. The guy gets outplayed by his own backups when it matters most.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
The thing with Choke Paul is that he's talked about like he is a Duncan/Manu/Kawhi type of figure for his teams, not an Enrique Porker type of player who has to be carried by the Duncan/Manu/Kawhi types. He carries himself like a twelve-time champion, hogs the ball and screams at his teammates like they're holding him back from winning his thirteenth ring, and gets paid an obscene amount of money (and is about to sign a historic $210 million deal this summer). The media treats him with a level of reverence that they otherwise only reserve for champions who are easily marketable to casual fans. He puts up gaudy regular season stats and has rarely faced a significantly better team in the playoffs. And despite the easy ride he's had, he still can't get past round 2. It's pathetic.
I wouldn't be so hard on Choke Paul if he was willing to let Blake be the first option, take less money to win, take responsibility for his own playoff failures instead of hiding behind scapegoats, and stop being such a control freak. It would be nice if he stopped flopping and whining at refs, too. Right now, he's a totally unlikeable player who thinks he's so much better than he really is.
Before Choke Paul, we were a young team on the rise with one of the league's brightest new stars in Blake Griffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
With Choke Paul, we're an aging capped-out treadmill team with no future. And Choke Paul still hasn't led us any farther in the playoffs than Cassell and Brand did.
That cherry would get popped once he joins the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcadian
imagine the defense, between paul, green, and kawhi...
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meaning, he never had any in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by offset formation
btw I like your username. What formation are you referring to?
He's probably talking about two brothers on your mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
A young team that won how many games, like 25?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
'06 was a fluky year. The Clippers in '06 were the Sonics in '05. Fluky one hit wonder teams
I don't see any CP3 hater except clitoris but dude hates all kind of PG anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
When you are in a close game of a decisive game and offense starts to slow down, role players disappear you count on your star player to solve the issue... Spurs have been blessed to have his leaders taking their responsabilities... CP3 just prefer defer to the Pargo and Peja of the NBA last 5 minutes of the game. This is not being a hater than saying that.
32, but we had one of the youngest teams in the league and plenty of assets to keep building around Blake with.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
It took severe injuries to our top two point guards and the Mavs tanking like idiots to face the Warriors to keep us out of the playoffs in 2006-07. Then 2007-08 was ruined before it even began when Brand tore his Achilles during preseason workouts. The playoff appearance wasn't a fluke, the fact they only made the playoffs once with that core was the fluke.Quote:
'06 was a fluky year. The Clippers in '06 were the Sonics in '05. Fluky one hit wonder teams
I most certainly wouldn't rule it out. I feel like if the Clippers flame out early again this year, they'll start breaking the team up this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by eDizzle20
Yet you consider Enrique a winner bc he was lucky enough to play alongside the great Timothy Duncan and the great Emmanuel Ginobili. Even though he's needed Claxton, Barry, Kerr, CoJo, and Paddy to bail his sorry ass out. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
CP3 on the Spurs alongside Manu, TD, and towards the end Kawhi would've been the greatest modern day dynasty, tbh.
:rolleyes Sure he does. More nonsense. According to cliché, vanilla fans, every player that doesn't have a championship(s) or at least fit the mold of a Jordan, Bryant, etc., is soft, a choker, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
I played plenty of competitive sports, most notably basketball and I'm as competitive as humanly possible . . . but that doesn't mean I don't have a brain and independent thoughts. Sure, some are more comfortable in clutch situations, but I'm talking about the results.
I pretty much covered the majority of this above, but I'll add: the '15 WCSF is the only series he's lost that he absolutely should have won and he sure as hell didn't come out passive and scared in the '15 WCQF. He also didn't fail to come through in the clutch, but I guess that doesn't count because it doesn't fit the narrative. Also, as MaNu4Tres outlined, his playoff stats are ridiculous. The reality is, he's never played on a top 2 team in the conference and his stature makes it extremely difficult for him to be the best player on a championship team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
You forget that Manus sloppy play and Kawhis missed FT thwarted 2013 from being a championship that Parker wouldve been the hero of. That wouldve been another cherry on his already stellar career. Parker is a better scorer than CP3 and at one time was the best inside scorer of ANY player of ANY position in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
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Originally Posted by gambit1990
:lol that's the worst take ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
The results are obviously influenced by how much you are comfortable in clutch situations... tons of athlete are getting mental preparation for those moments but yet :cry there is no such a thing about clutch :cry so vanilla :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
what is vanilla is taking stat law and apply it whatever context is and say as a big hot take... clutch does not exist... news flash it does exist. The fact some are more or less comfortable is proof of that, there is no denial unless being an idiot that cp3 tends to defer in those moments see pargo and Pena to the rescue
Ya you did not understand a single word of what I wrote... not that I'm surprised... you should see a doctor or better go to school brah... reading is not your strength, French pg hate is but not sure it will help your career.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Do you not remember that season? The Mavs were so overconfident, they really did tank to face the Warriors. Two of their last six games of the season were against the Clippers and the Warriors. They played us at full strength and then rested all their starters against the Warriors. It was a monumentally idiotic decision, considering that we were starting Jason Hart at point guard at that point and we weren't one of those high-octane small-ball teams that gave the Mavs fits. But that's Avery Johnson for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNT Eagles 2016
CP3 has always been the better player...and it's not even closeQuote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
Regardless of the CP3 vs Parker discussion, this is in part true. However, Timmy could've easily won the FMVP in 2013. Sad we won't know..Quote:
Originally Posted by skulls138
Of course stats and probability are not out of the equation. But that doesn't mean the mental aspect of the game is not critical in the clutch moments of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Reasonable takes except Paul would never decline a max offer from the Clips. They can offer him tens of millions more than any other team. The only way CP3 leaves the Clips is if the Clips refuse to offer him a max deal (or close to it), and instead offer him a deal that is merely competitive with what other teams can offer him. In that case, the Spurs would need to make some drastic moves (Parker) and strip their roster more than the Dubs did in order to sign Durant. Paul ain't coming to San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by eDizzle20
Danny Green would have won it, until fatass said "I can't believe they're leaving him open!" and then got outplayed by Mario Chalmers down the stretch of the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
I miss that Danny Green :(
who was the last player to take a paycut comparable to what cp3 would be doing to join the spurs? no one? the lakers could've paid dwight more than the rockets iirc, but i can't remember how much more.
david west comes to mind. that was only around ~$10 million though.
No, they're not. Bryant was about as confidence as they come, yet his "clutch" stats were terrible. The notion that athletes are more or less predisposed to perform based on the time of the game, is illogical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Generally speaking, high IQ types understand end of game situations are about making the right play, not playing hero ball to satisfy cliché, vanilla fans.
smh... speaking of vanilla take... of course you perform different, I doubt you ever played anything in your life tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
Those are some pretty freaking amazing numbers. I don't think the guy is an automatic 50-win guy, but dayum.
People bashing CP3 mostly don't understand that his "choking" was just like Steve Nash's "choking". They both broke themselves on the cliffs of Tim Duncan.
CP is the best PG tbh
In other words, actual choking that's always been excused away or blamed on other players by Media.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Duncan didn't play for the Kings when Bibby used to take wet shits on Nash every year. Duncan didn't play for the Nuggets, Grizzlies, Rockets and Thunder teams that Paul choked against.Quote:
They both broke themselves on the cliffs of Tim Duncan.
Better than Porker
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