Chris Paul...

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

In other words, actual choking that's always been excused away or blamed on other players by Media.

Duncan didn't play for the Kings when Bibby used to take wet shits on Nash every year. Duncan didn't play for the Nuggets, Grizzlies, Rockets and Thunder teams that Paul choked against.

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Not "other players". I'm only blaming it on one other player. Most of Nash's and CP3's best chances of at least getting to the Finals were ended by Tim Duncan and the Spurs. I don't remember every team those two guys lost to in the playoffs. But that SA-NO matchup was a close call, and was more about the Spurs (Tim Duncan) being better, than about CP3 choking. And there were several series against Nash's Suns that were the same way. They both lost with some teams that didn't have a real chance to go all the way. But the best teams they played on always got put down by Tim and the Spurs.

A lot like the way Michael Jordan kicked Karl Malone's ass in the Finals twice in a row. Malone was a serious badass. Jordan was just better.

If CP3 is a "choker" because he wasn't better than Tim, then you can make a list of a BUNCH of chokers in the league. And the Kings were a DAMN good team that played well enough to win a Championship - they just didn't get the ring.

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Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub

Regardless of the CP3 vs Parker discussion, this is in part true. However, Timmy could've easily won the FMVP in 2013. Sad we won't know..

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If the Spurs won game 6 like they should have (I still give the Heat no credit, Spurs handed it to them), then from what I've read/heard, Tim was voted finals MVP up until that horrendous last 27 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

If the Spurs won game 6 like they should have (I still give the Heat no credit, Spurs handed it to them), then from what I've read/heard, Tim was voted finals MVP up until that horrendous last 27 seconds.

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Specially the bolded.

Of course you sign CP3 if he wants to be a Spur but keep in mind there is only a 3 year age gap between Parker and Paul. Spurs need to get younger and more athletic imo.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

If the Spurs won game 6 like they should have (I still give the Heat no credit, Spurs handed it to them), then from what I've read/heard, Tim was voted finals MVP up until that horrendous last 27 seconds.

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Porker choked for sure, but it wouldn't have mattered if LeGOAT didn't step up and take that shit.

Unless he ring chases, he is in the GOAT-to-never-ring Club.

Love how people downlplay the teams he has played for when comparing Parker to him (especially the stretch of saying Bowen and Horry made Parker look good). Dude has played next to Blake and DeAndre (on paper, MUCH better now than Gino ever was (again, "on paper", for the tools) and also played next to an All-Star front court in Nawlins and he never did anything of note in his PO career. His biggest accomplishment is beating the Spurs.

He's just not a winner, just like Barkley, just like Malone, just like Ewing. There's nothing wrong with being second or third tier legends.

I do think it's difficult that he takes that huge of a paycut. But we are missing the fact that CP would make the spurs a complete team and even more of a contender than we already are for at least two years.
If he decides to go ring chasing the spurs should be his number one option.
And i also believe he is one of those players that would love to play for pop.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Porker choked for sure, but it wouldn't have mattered if LeGOAT didn't step up and take that shit.

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Lebron did step up in game 7.

They still needed Tim to miss a point blank lay up over a player 4 inches shorter than him to win though..

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Originally Posted by Chucho

Unless he ring chases, he is in the GOAT-to-never-ring Club.

Love how people downlplay the teams he has played for when comparing Parker to him (especially the stretch of saying Bowen and Horry made Parker look good). Dude has played next to Blake and DeAndre (on paper, MUCH better now than Gino ever was (again, "on paper", for the tools) and also played next to an All-Star front court in Nawlins and he never did anything of note in his PO career. His biggest accomplishment is beating the Spurs.

He's just not a winner, just like Barkley, just like Malone, just like Ewing. There's nothing wrong with being second or third tier legends.

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Agree. But unlike Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing and Reggie Miller, who all made at least one Finals, Paul's never even made a conference final. He's in the McGrady class now, fair or not, guy who can't get it remotely done in the playoffs. Hard to put him too high in the PG pantheon if he can't ever make an NBA final four much less win a ring.

That said, I do think he could be a winner for Pop, but we'll never get him. New CBA is just too generous for major players to stay put.

He's has been the 3rd best player in the playoffs after Kawhi/Lebron, but it probably won't matter and another first round exit could be in the cards..

Really wish he and Spurs can find a middle ground in free agency. He's probably got 2 or 3 more years of this level..Just too great of a talent from historical perspective to never get a shot at title..Even Nash's Suns were more of a threat than these Clippers..

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Originally Posted by spursistan

He's has been the 3rd best player in the playoffs after Kawhi/Lebron, but it probably won't matter and another first round exit could be in the cards..

Really wish he and Spurs can find a middle ground in free agency. He's probably got 2 or 3 more years of this level..Just too great of a talent from historical perspective to never get a shot at title..Even Nash's Suns were more of a threat than these Clippers..

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Spurs shouldn't just try to keep the boat afloat by applying temporary old band aids.

I said it last off-season, they need to start making moves towards the Warriors on a timeline that is 2-3 years out. There's no moves Spurs can make that can put them as equals to the Warriors for next year. There were none last summer either. That's why I didn't want to utilize the resources they did have on Gasol. They need to start building a young versatile/athletic roster to grow with Kawhi. Use resources to attain as many young two-way players as possible who are not defensive liabilities.

The next 3 years belong to Warriors, but if Spurs can build up to where they hit their peak while Warriors' level of play inevitably descends, Spurs may be right there again as Kawhi hits 28-30 years old. Kawhi's game should age well and Spurs should still win 50+ games going this route instead of the route they went last summer. It's time for change.

By no means does this mean, I"m suggesting they blow it up and be a lottery team. Spurs can still easily be a 50 win team going through this 2-3 year process.

So no more blowing it up? :lol

Spending 14 million on Manu was stupid

As I stated before, he wants to stay in LA. He'll never win there, but he and his family love the city, weather, culture, etc. That's his choice.

Plus $200M is $200M. Not going to get that from the Spurs.

spurs have a shot at getting him but it depends how much effort and energy they put into the pursuit.


cp3 resigning is close to a lock but isn't 100% imo.


-their roster needs more work
-blake and deandre are pretty much at their ceiling
-kawhi > cp3 > blake

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Spurs shouldn't just try to keep the boat afloat by applying temporary old band aids.

I said it last off-season, they need to start making moves towards the Warriors on a timeline that is 2-3 years out. There's no moves Spurs can make that can put them as equals to the Warriors for next year. There were none last summer either. That's why I didn't want to utilize the resources they did have on Gasol. They need to start building a young versatile/athletic roster to grow with Kawhi. Use resources to attain as many young two-way players as possible who are not defensive liabilities.

The next 3 years belong to Warriors, but if Spurs can build up to where they hit their peak while Warriors' level of play inevitably descends, Spurs may be right there again as Kawhi hits 28-30 years old. Kawhi's game should age well and Spurs should still win 50+ games going this route instead of the route they went last summer. It's time for change.

By no means does this mean, I"m suggesting they blow it up and be a lottery team. Spurs can still easily be a 50 win team going through this 2-3 year process.

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I'm going the other way here. Play to win now. There's no telling what can happen in 2-3 years. Hell, I still think there's a small chance that one of Curry or Durant actually leaves because they'll have to gut their roster even more.

Chris Paul needs the Spurs and the Spurs need Chris Paul...

It's gonna happen

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Spurs shouldn't just try to keep the boat afloat by applying temporary old band aids.

I said it last off-season, they need to start making moves towards the Warriors on a timeline that is 2-3 years out. There's no moves Spurs can make that can put them as equals to the Warriors for next year. There were none last summer either. That's why I didn't want to utilize the resources they did have on Gasol. They need to start building a young versatile/athletic roster to grow with Kawhi. Use resources to attain as many young two-way players as possible who are not defensive liabilities.

The next 3 years belong to Warriors, but if Spurs can build up to where they hit their peak while Warriors' level of play inevitably descends, Spurs may be right there again as Kawhi hits 28-30 years old. Kawhi's game should age well and Spurs should still win 50+ games going this route instead of the route they went last summer. It's time for change.

By no means does this mean, I"m suggesting they blow it up and be a lottery team. Spurs can still easily be a 50 win team going through this 2-3 year process.

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Exactly! :tu Before last season I called it a "controlled descent into mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

I'm going the other way here. Play to win now. There's no telling what can happen in 2-3 years. Hell, I still think there's a small chance that one of Curry or Durant actually leaves because they'll have to gut their roster even more.

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Or perhaps the Dubs keep Curry and Durant but dump Klay...?

I only really see the possibility of getting cap space back doing something about Pau Gasol... like encouraging him not to reup by offering a trade. As of this moment, I wouldn't like for him to be reupped for more years. He's already looking over the hill.

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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

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If the Spurs plan to pursue him--not so sure about that yet-- they'll get a courtesy meeting out of respect (much like Durant)..And if there is any party that could manage to talk him out of resigning in LAC, it would be delegation including Pop/Duncan/Parker/Kawhi..Don't see CP3 leaving for anywhere else..

Pop just needs to call CP3 if he cares about winning and if he wants to cement his legacy or be Melo2.0. It's up to him.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I only really see the possibility of getting cap space back doing something about Pau Gasol... like encouraging him not to reup by offering a trade. As of this moment, I wouldn't like for him to be reupped for more years. He's already looking over the hill.

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Threatening would probably be more accurate. If he opts in then the Spurs could move him to Minny or Toronto both teams were interested in him last off season. If he opts out then he can make his own decision. Him become a legit stretch 5 extends his career, he could probably still be a solid NBA player for another couple of seasons.