Spurs Lose Because Fathead Doesn't Have Enough Skills To Grab A Ball

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Originally Posted by Chews

Pass was right on the money had the most athletic guy on the team not spin his body around after calling for the pass.

https://youtu.be/hewDAxfxSn4?t=8m58s if you want another look at it

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How about let's start your little video clip about 15 seconds earlier? I really think Kyle should be in the running for DPOY. :lol
https://youtu.be/hewDAxfxSn4?t=8m42s


As for the other, it was a shitty decision first... then a shitty pass. Simmons got separation, and called for the ball. Kyle didn't see it developing, and by the time he recognized it, it was too late. Trying to blame that on Simmons is just ignorant.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

How about the design of the play by coach Pop?
How about Simmons fumbling a pass that was well within his grasp?
How about Simmons terrible defense getting caught on a screen twice, how about Forbes bad shooting, getting lit up, fouling a 3 pt shooter, TO close to the end of the game? Etc. That wasn't on just one guy.
Oh well he's the scapegoat tonight. Hopefully a learning lesson for all respectively but in the grand scheme it doesn't matter.

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How about having the skills (and will) to grab a ball going a quarter mile per hour?

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Not really. it just feels unfair to me his every mistake gets magnified while so many others messing up is overlooked. I couldn't care less really bc it doesn't matter in this particular game which is basically my reaction in general.

I have to get used to spurstalk overreaction and move on I guess. Lol

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There's no over reaction. The guy couldn't grab a ball and the Spurs lost because of it. It's the simple fact.

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Originally Posted by Chews

Pass was right on the money had the most athletic guy on the team not spin his body around after calling for the pass.

https://youtu.be/hewDAxfxSn4?t=8m58s if you want another look at it

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Late and to the wrong side is "on the money" in your world, huh?

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Originally Posted by GSH

How about let's start your little video clip about 15 seconds earlier? I really think Kyle should be in the running for DPOY. :lol
https://youtu.be/hewDAxfxSn4?t=8m42s

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Slow recognition. Taking a shitty angle. No close out speed or agility. No urgency to close the game out. That's Fathead for you.

Anderson plays with NO intensity!

Watch that play again, Lee should have had it. He had two hands on it.

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Originally Posted by Rocalcio

I don't get what you have against this guy, even if he's been afraid of shooting, he made some progress about that since he doesn't hesitate to shoot anymore. And even without shooting, he can do so many other things. Just look at his numbers when he hits the floor, he often steals a lot of balls, he grabs rebounds, he passes the ball pretty well...

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I agree with this - very good take. Kyle obviously has his flaws and maybe he has not been as good as we (or some of us) have hoped to this point.

But that does not mean that he has not made progress. He has. His defense is truly NBA level and that is massive considering that was the biggest question mark to his game coming into the NBA.

He obviously can rebound and is a huge plus when he does because he can immediately outlet the ball or initiate the offense which is very valuable.

His offense needs to come along more and he needs to keep working on his shooting, but acting like he's some scrub because people only value one side of the ball is silly to me.

the biggest problem I have with kyle is that although he has some nice skills, i'm still waiting for him to come out of his shell. he just seems to defer too much and has a hesitancy about him on the offensive side of the ball that often makes him a liability.

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Originally Posted by GSH

How about let's start your little video clip about 15 seconds earlier? I really think Kyle should be in the running for DPOY. :lol
https://youtu.be/hewDAxfxSn4?t=8m42s


As for the other, it was a shitty decision first... then a shitty pass. Simmons got separation, and called for the ball. Kyle didn't see it developing, and by the time he recognized it, it was too late. Trying to blame that on Simmons is just ignorant.

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Kyle was playing the three.

How was the inbounds a shitty decision? Had to get the ball past half court and had no timeouts to bail us out.

It was not too late to throw the ball, he threw it after simmons called for it... simmons spins and back peddles while the ball is in the air which ended up being the difference in him being able to catch the ball or not.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Late and to the wrong side is "on the money" in your world, huh?

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How was the throw late? There was nobody on the other side of simmons and where the ball landed there was plenty of room for simmons to catch and make a move.

Wrong side is debatable because you want to throw the ball into the open court and not lead him out of bounds. Simmons had ample room and opportunity to catch the pass. Unfortunately he started to back peddle when the ball was in the air and that cost him enough distance for the throw to be over his head.

How many times do you see a receiver, in football, back peddle to catch a pass even when the ball is thrown to the outside shoulder? You don't. I don't expect simmons to have the same skills that a receiver has, but I do expect him to not back peddle when the ball is in the air. Ball was thrown fine and simmons should not have started back peddling after the ball was passed to him.

What if he went down court for an outlet pass and when the ball was thrown up the court he started back peddling?

http://i.imgur.com/Tz4OxSQ.png

Ball in air; Simmons calling for ball; Seperation between Simmons and defender.



http://i.imgur.com/5fwcldz.png

Simmons spinning and back peddling (note the seperation has been closed by defender)



http://i.imgur.com/pE1mlZo.png

Ball barely goes over Simmons' hands. Plenty of court if he was to catch the ball.

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Originally Posted by Chews

http://i.imgur.com/Tz4OxSQ.png

Ball in air; Simmons calling for ball; Seperation between Simmons and defender.



http://i.imgur.com/5fwcldz.png

Simmons spinning and back peddling (note the seperation has been closed by defender)



http://i.imgur.com/pE1mlZo.png

Ball barely goes over Simmons' hands. Plenty of court if he was to catch the ball.

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Simmons is by the middle of the court paint. Then you expect him to be by the rim? :lmao

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Originally Posted by dabom

Simmons is by the middle of the court paint. Then you expect him to be by the rim? :lmao

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I'm not sure what your question is. If the ball is thrown more towards the hoop and not into the open court, you risk leading him out of bounds and it gives the defender a better angle to deflect or, worse, intercept the ball.

The point wasn't to score, it was to inbounds the ball and waste as much time as you can. Although, of course, scoring would have been better than a turnover.

If you're saying the ball was thrown too far, Simmons was running down the court and wasn't at a stand still. The ball was in a place for Simmons to get, he just played the ball wrong and slowed down... therefore the ball went over his hands.

Simmons wasn't expecting a ball that far. Blame the passer. He had lot of good space to throw it too.

Simmons was caught in that inbetween zone of how to catch it. Was it a cradle catch or a go up and grab it type catch. He looked like he was caught in between.

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Originally Posted by Chews

Kyle was playing the three.

How was the inbounds a shitty decision? Had to get the ball past half court and had no timeouts to bail us out.

It was not too late to throw the ball, he threw it after simmons called for it... simmons spins and back peddles while the ball is in the air which ended up being the difference in him being able to catch the ball or not.

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Kyle IS playing the three. But he didn't play the man he was covering worth a shit.

It was a shitty decision because it was too late, and he didn't see it developing. You can blame Pop for putting him in that situation. He should have had Pau or even Lee throwing it in.

Simmons did EXACTLY what he needed to do. If you look, he actually slows down, because he knows the opening has passed. (And he was right.) He was totally surprised to see that ball in the air.

Honestly, the blame for the loss really should go to Pop. The Spurs were up by 1, and Stotts was calling for a foul. The worst the Spurs should have expected was a tie and OT. Bottom line, the Blazers would have had to make a desperation shot either way - but if they had taken the foul, the Spurs would have been up by 2 or 3. I guess the loss didn't really "count" for anything. But I HATE going into the postseason as losers.

But if you're trying to defend Kyle, don't. Kawhi made a similar pass a couple of weeks ago, where he anticipated and led his guy. Kyle's pass was beyond risky. Kawhi's was beautiful. I don't hate Kyle. But if he's not up to it, he shouldn't be put in that position.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Kyle IS playing the three. But he didn't play the man he was covering worth a shit.

It was a shitty decision because it was too late, and he didn't see it developing. You can blame Pop for putting him in that situation. He should have had Pau or even Lee throwing it in.

Simmons did EXACTLY what he needed to do. If you look, he actually slows down, because he knows the opening has passed. (And he was right.) He was totally surprised to see that ball in the air.

Honestly, the blame for the loss really should go to Pop. The Spurs were up by 1, and Stotts was calling for a foul. The worst the Spurs should have expected was a tie and OT. Bottom line, the Blazers would have had to make a desperation shot either way - but if they had taken the foul, the Spurs would have been up by 2 or 3. I guess the loss didn't really "count" for anything. But I HATE going into the postseason as losers.

But if you're trying to defend Kyle, don't. Kawhi made a similar pass a couple of weeks ago, where he anticipated and led his guy. Kyle's pass was beyond risky. Kawhi's was beautiful. I don't hate Kyle. But if he's not up to it, he shouldn't be put in that position.

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I see your point and I'll respectfully disagree. :toast

I hate losing too, especially when it's to second stringers, but for some reason the team has not been very motivated (or sharp, depending on your view) in games where the stakes are low. The team has holes but enough talent to overcome those... we'll have to wait and see which team comes out during the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Simmons wasn't expecting a ball that far. Blame the passer.

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:huh

If Simmons wasn't expecting a pass that far then you either call it a misunderstanding or blame Simmons for not being ready. You don't blame someone for throwing a catchable pass because the other guy wasn't expecting it, unless its an odd scenario where you're throwing a bullet pass to a guy not looking at you.

IMO, and I know you don't care, Simmons misplayed the ball. I think it's that simple and I think that because had he not spun around so slow or not spun around at all, he would have been right under the ball. If Kyle throws the ball a shorter distance, the defender makes a play on the ball.

Had Kyle thrown it sooner and Simmons spun around and back peddled it would be the same scenario. There was plenty of space for Simmons to catch the ball so I don't think the throw being a second later affected Simmons being able to or not able to catch the ball.

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Originally Posted by Chews

I see your point and I'll respectfully disagree. :toast

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Well, hell... I can live with that all day, every day. Back at'cha. :toast

For the record, I was a Simmons fan from Day 1. But I've had to back off. I think he'd do really well on a team like the Wizards. But I'm afraid he's a net liability to the Spurs. I do think he's worked really hard to play smarter ball.

Tim used to throw those inbounds passes a lot, and did it very well. So did Horry. Pau and Lee are very good passers, and have a lot of experience. Kyle second-guesses himself too much to be put into that position. Whatever skills he has, you can't be hesitant in that spot. And that's what I saw on that play.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Well, hell... I can live with that all day, every day. Back at'cha. :toast

For the record, I was a Simmons fan from Day 1. But I've had to back off. I think he'd do really well on a team like the Wizards. But I'm afraid he's a net liability to the Spurs. I do think he's worked really hard to play smarter ball.

Tim used to throw those inbounds passes a lot, and did it very well. So did Horry. Pau and Lee are very good passers, and have a lot of experience. Kyle second-guesses himself too much to be put into that position. Whatever skills he has, you can't be hesitant in that spot. And that's what I saw on that play.

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Simmons has big splash plays but to me seems to lack other traits you need to solidify a spot in the NBA. Decent shooter; Poor court vision; Average passer. Plays solid defense though :D haha

Kyle is VERY hesitant, I don't know if it's his confidence or he just isn't very quick at making decisions. It does affect his game tremendously.. to add to the fact he is already not very fast physically.

Kyle still has a ways to go if he wants to be a rotational player in the NBA, whether it's with the Spurs or someone else.. Simmons unfortunately doesn't have the time to develop that Anderson does.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

If he moves that cranium too fast he loses balance, must be the only explanation tbh..

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/102010/128...h-big-ball.gif

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Now that is hilarious! :lol

He can rebound, has good defensive instincts - gets plenty of deflections and is a very good help defender. He really understands the game. But he needs to look to score everytime he drives and that will allow him to make good passes. At the moment, teams know he's not looking to score at all and can just sag off him, which makes his court vision redundant.

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Originally Posted by Chews

How was the throw late? There was nobody on the other side of simmons and where the ball landed there was plenty of room for simmons to catch and make a move.

Wrong side is debatable because you want to throw the ball into the open court and not lead him out of bounds. Simmons had ample room and opportunity to catch the pass. Unfortunately he started to back peddle when the ball was in the air and that cost him enough distance for the throw to be over his head.

How many times do you see a receiver, in football, back peddle to catch a pass even when the ball is thrown to the outside shoulder? You don't. I don't expect simmons to have the same skills that a receiver has, but I do expect him to not back peddle when the ball is in the air. Ball was thrown fine and simmons should not have started back peddling after the ball was passed to him.

What if he went down court for an outlet pass and when the ball was thrown up the court he started back peddling?

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Watch it. He had Simmons on the break and only threw the ball after the defender recovered. And had he thrown it on time, the pass would have led him without twisting him. If you think that pass was on the money, then that's laughable. And the debate is not whether Simmons could have caught it; it's about the quality of the pass, which was not especially high.

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Originally Posted by Spurtacular

Watch it. He had Simmons on the break and only threw the ball after the defender recovered. And had he thrown it on time, the pass would have led him without twisting him. If you think that pass was on the money, then that's laughable. And the debate is not whether Simmons could have caught it; it's about the quality of the pass, which was not especially high.

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Did you see the pictures I posted? The first picture shows the ball in the air and separation between him and the defender, the defender caught up because Simmons spun around and back peddled for a good few steps.. shown in the second picture. The quality of the pass was fine because Simmons should have caught the ball. You can keep blaming Anderson for throwing the ball in a place Simmons could and should have gotten to but didn't, I'm not going to do the same. Watch those scenarios in football next season and you will understand, ball is thrown in front of the receiver and they don't spin and back peddle, regardless of the shoulder they throw it over. There is no "late" thrown when there is nothing but open field in front of them.