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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
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Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
The stupidity on display here is profound.
Thought you were talking about Chris Paul for a second, but I'll have to see if Austin Rivers out played Paul last year. Tony has 4 rings and a Finals MVP. Patty Mills has more playoff success than Chris Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipper Nation
And Matt Bonner has more rings than Karl Malone and Barkley combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMC
Why did Fatty Mills enter this thread? The scrub can't even average 10 in a contract year in his fucking prime :lol
Oh really? How about this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Spurs/Mavs 2009
Tony Parker: 28.6 PPG, 6.8 APG, 4.2 RPG on 55% shooting
Do you want some others or is this one enough to disprove your ridiculous claims?
Best guard in franchise history and it's probably not even close. No disrespect to George Hill, Danny Green, and Stephen JacksonQuote:
Originally Posted by SASdynasty!
Where the big three played faggot. Not some meaningless fucking series. :lol
Parker showing up against the Mavs while others foul Dirk.
Truly alpha :worthy:
Danny with a Draymond line before Draymond was even a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Kirby Bryant 25 ppg 2015-16. Yeah there is some Parker comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Parker sure made sure Kwa got the ball in the right spots too.
To be honest, it's really only 4-5 posters that are idiots. The problem is that they post so consistently and with such repetitiveness that it feels worse than it its.Quote:
Originally Posted by superbigtime
Yup. Miss LDN tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
He's still the best perimeter defender on the team though
I'm looking forward to Parker's jersey retirement ceremony. It's going to be a great thread.
We were so fortunate Pop pulled the plug on Avery at the perfect time instead of giving him the new deal he got from Denver.
Imagine if Pop had the heart he has now, Avery would have started from 01'-03' and TP wouldn't have ever played in the 01' series vs. the Sonics when we saw his potential on full display.
Well, to be fair. TP, although young, was much more accomplished than Murray. It's not apples to apples just because of age IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I don't know about that. I think you're being generous with the " more accomplished" praise. Tony played for Paris Basket Racing for crying out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Manu on the other hand, now he was more accomplished coming in. Tony was an unknown.
Say what you will, but TP's level of play at the same age was pretty clearly more accomplished by most standards. That and the fact Pop played him and he did so well at the NBA level clearly shows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Murray lost his chance when he got hurt, unfortunately. I was hoping he would take Mills' minutes.
Best case scenario is Simmons takes Manu's minutes now.
Meh. We don't know that for sure at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
That's inconclusive, because Murray hasn't had a real opportunity and every-time he does get a real opportunity ( more than 20 minutes in a game), he has surpassed expectations and performed better than anyone thought. ( 11.4 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 53% from the field and 38% from three -- while not being a liability on the defensive end ( yes he's made some mental mistakes, but teams can't physically exploit him like they do Patty and Tony.
As for Parker, Parker had an opportunity because there was no other options. Pop was forced to play Tony out of necessity. Parker received an abundant amount of playing time for long stretches to figure it out, and things didn't exactly click with him from the start. He really started to sprout in the spring and playoffs of his rookie year.
Murrays' road to freedom has been blocked off, for the time being, because of being drafted to a team with a 15 year Hall of Fame Point guard and a well respected proven veteran backing him up. No matter how good Murray was going to be this year, Pop wasn't going to play him over Patty or Parker and he wasn't going to play him over Manu or Anderson/Simmons at the SG spot.
FYI:
PER 36 minutes of Parker and Murrays rookie years:
Note: Over half of Murrays' minutes that factor into these numbers came when he STARTED and played 8 games. So I don't want to hear, " well he played against weaker competition excuse".
Parker rookie year: GS: 72. 11.2 points 5.3 assists, 3 rpg, 1.4 spg. 42% shooting and 32% from 3.
Murray rookie year: GS: 8. 14.4 points, 5.4 apg, 4 rpg, .9 spg . 7 bpg. 43% shooting and 39% from 3.
There definitely needs more sample size from Murray to draw end all conclusions on who was better their rookie year, but based on what we have to access-- Murrays' was very comparable to TP -- he just needed minutes and playing time (which he wasn't going to have from the get go because of the depth that Pop respects).
http://stats.nba.com/players/advance...GE*60:MIN*G*24
those have Parker as a top 15 defender in the league.
So yeah, the NBA has gone plum bonkers.
Defensive rating should only be compared to your team and even then you have to actually watch the games to understand a whole bunch of other Shit. Pretty hard to explain to a casual.
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