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Excellent game tonight. Love his shot selection. Corner 3s and 8 shots in the paint, making 4. For a team in dire need of penetration, this is encouraging. Solves a lot of the team's problems.
http://oi65.tinypic.com/nmgr9i.jpg
He also was great in a crucial 2nd quarter, netting 8 points and getting the Spurs the lead.
Anyone who thinks he didn't have a good game tonight should seriously consider putting on a helmet to protect your underdeveloped brain, if you know what I mean.
He pulled me back in.
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Originally Posted by Silver&Black
A few hero plays but in general had a good game. Would be nice if he kept it up against the Golden States of the world but highly unlikely, tbh.
#phoenixrising
6:41 http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img...ng&h=100&w=100 Patty Mills enters the game for Tony Parker 18 - 9
I'm in.
Thanks for a flashback night TP!
Needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
We need more than one or two players to be aggressive. There's too many "role" players on this team "playing off" and not enough individual scorers. If you want the Spurs to have a shot at the title, it's going to have to be more than Kawhi and (sometimes) LMA creating offense. That's just the way it is.
Those dribbles that bounced off his foot really changed the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Played well. Problem has always been sustainability for TP, even in his prime.
You forget the lead ballooned up to 13 for most of the quarter until Lee checked in and Harrison checked in for Conley. All Patty did was commit two TOs and foul. Patty had nothing to do with the "run."Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
14 more games like tonight this postseason equals title
2 corner threes per game. That's all I ask.
That's fucking cold. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
He needs to do this against GSW, thankfully Curry is a sieve on defense
:lol one can dream... would be awesome thoQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
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Originally Posted by SupremeGuy
#9 all time in playoff scoring now :tu
Already #5 in playoff assists as well.
Captain. Leader. Legend.
If he outscores Conley it will be a short series.
but he overrated and should not startQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Weakest link
18 points on only 13 shots.
Zero turnovers.
The Bon Burst is back.
Your old ass is so mad right now lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
"I just feel blessed. I feel lucky to be out there and competing at that level and still enjoying playing basketball." - TonyParker
http://i.imgur.com/prPnKaS.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
:lol
Although the 'big three'...no longer are the big three minus TD...they have free reign in my book. Done too much to really rag on 'em. If pop and RC didn't think they had something to offer, or if they themselves thought that, they wouldn't be there. I see all of this ranking of where TP fits...5...4..3..2..whatever. Over time, has TP or Manu let you down. Sure they have at times. I've wanted to personally kill them both. But over time..what does that tell you. To quote the great Daryl K Royal, 'You dance with the one that brung ya'. And those guys have brought the Spurs a loooooong way.
They'll quit when they want to quit. They earned that. Get it ?
Probably a B- kinda game for him. He was atrocious in the first quarter. Offensively, didd everything he can to stagnate the offense.
Kawhi needs tp be the main pick and roll man.
He needs to be attacking off the swing. He needs the space.
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Originally Posted by dabom
Let's see if he can do it for more than one game.
Hes the most clutch player in spurs history by far its not even remotely close.
HOTS
That was the style he needs to play. He didn't drive every time he had the ball. Just enough to get the defense to cheat to him and let other guys open. He doesn't have to play like he did in 08 to be effective. And the corner 3s were just gravy :)
Quota already fulfilled. :hatQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I'm in and I ain't hopping out
Really hoping this Parker sticks around.
Probably a C+ game. Killed the offense. Heroballed too much. A+ game from "MVPatty" though! He was 1 for 9 but did YOU SEE THAT ASSIST TO GASOL!!!
lol 14:1 FGA to assist ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
Not gonna hate when he's hitting those corner 3s, but he looked a bit gassed in the 2nd half.... hopefully these 2-3 days of rest help...
Porker doesn't close out for a reason. I wonder if the porker fluffers even understand that. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
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Originally Posted by midnightpulp
God damn :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
He was very good when not pressured heavily dribbling. And was part of the reason the huge lead melted in the 3rd.
Parker's had a much better series so far than House. No amount of spin can change that simple fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Manu and Mills are 4-21 combined this series. Luckily the Spurs don't need them but they have struggled vs MEM all year for some reason where TP has had great success. Hopefully Mills/Manu chip in some points because SA needs them to.
He has had a better series but let's also be honest about the fact that that 14:1 ratio is pretty heroballish.Quote:
Originally Posted by midnightpulp
And tbf Paddy was solid in Game 1. Perfect from the field and came in to right the ship after the heroballer steered it off course.
Mills is +28 for the series, and Manu is +24; they haven't been hitting shots, specially Manu (Mills was pretty good on game 1,tbh), but they have been far from a problem, and were definitely needed, specially on that game one, to get us back after that horrible start to the series, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
its obvious a lot of spurs fans resent Tony Parker because he was better than Jim in 2 of their championships lmao they cant handle the truth
All TP hater's wives/gfs are sleeping in a puddle tonight dreaming of him. TP really sticking the baguette to the haters this series.
Manu 0 points for 2 games in a row? How's that possible?
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Originally Posted by DAF86
averaging 1.5 assists and 1 turnover... starts the games off by taking shots away from kawhi and lma...
You look like even more of a dummy than usual.
having as many shot attempts as kawhi :lol
let's see how well that works out the next couple rounds.
It was a really physical game especially for the starters. They were having to work hard through a ton of contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Manu / Mills shooting 4/21 let's see how that works out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gambit1990
I don't give a fuck about Tony's assists as long as he keeps hitting his open shots, specially the corner threes.
Yup. Dude has to be a viable threat out there. Teams already know about LMA/Kawhi. He's making some of these fools blood boilQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
this tbh...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
his 5/7 at the 3 pts distance is what the doctor requested, if he can keep up those corner 3s this serie and during the POs that would be an excellent news for the Spurs
Can't believe he's the second leading scorer in the playoffs so far and he's earning Allen Crabbe money.
PATFO would be smart to extend the contract now before it's too late
As long as he doesn't slip back into "unplayable" mode the spurs are a different beast.
If/when he does, I only hope he's on a short leash.
Do people say this about Manu/Mills? I mean, why is the burden on TP so much when Mills is supposed to be better than the TOSB and Manu makes as much money as TP?Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
This is the issue. Everyone knows TP playing well is the only shot the Spurs have at reaching their ceiling. If he's not playing well, it's not like just inserting Mills/Manu magically gives SA a chance. Look at how they are playing overall - you think that is good enough?
You have to stick with TP and hope he figures it out. Having a short leash is great when there are guys behind him that may be better. There are not those guys right now.
Look at how many minutes they play comparatively. Their salaries are irrelevant to the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Pretty similar minutes tbh..Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Parker plays the most from them, and when he goes "unplayable" he tends to stall the offense by holding the ball much longer than the other two. We've seen pop pull manu because he has other options. Give green more minutes. Play Simmons or Anderson.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
With the point guards, it's between mills and parker nearly exclusively. I'd rather have a cold mills than a ball stalling parker any day.
Not at all. Especially factoring in defense. Look at the numbers on TP vs Conley and Mills vs Conley. Mills HAS to be hitting to provide value.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
TP has been playing very well this series. He hasn't gone "unplayable" yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I have no doubt that "good" TP is better than "bad" mills.
This motherfucker said defense. :lmao
Official update...Phoenix Rising stage 10.
as funny as it sounds you have to recognize he did a great job those 2 first games against Conley brah... props need to be given when deserved tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
I would be surprised if he can sustain it but outplaying Conley was not expected at all tbh and it eases greatly Spurs life tbh
Eye ball test not trusting the TP vs Conley numbers I posted :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Party is playing great defense. Dpg acting like including defense OT somehow makes Parker better. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
Bad TP is better than bad Mills is my point. His ball handling, ability to get LMA great shots and defense all make him still better than bad Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Sure, if Mills/Manu aren't going 4/21 (a trend now vs MEM all year with how they have struggled) then sure.
I was just about to write a response about how I agree with you and that Tony needs to be fresh. But then I looked at this:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
https://preview.ibb.co/jJpM1Q/parker_rest.png
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...01/splits/2017
The numbers show that Tony has actually played really well on no rest, decent on 1 day of rest, and badly on 2+ days of rest. Pretty much the opposite of what I expected.
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
:lol my niggaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Nice find. I think Nono is right, but in different context. I think the rest isn't about playing frequency like you have shown, but more about longer-term fatigue in stretches and his inability to stay healthy enough for long periods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
I disagree that bad TP has an ability to get anybody great shots. Bad TP tries to get penetration several times, fails, and then has to back the ball out with 7 seconds on the shot clock. He's a total possession killer. And then when he defers, teams don't respect his outside shot as much and the spacing gets difficult (unless he's able to make them pay with the 3-ball like he has thus far against Memphis).Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Patty is playing defense? Dude looks like someone's kid ran out of the stands and is just lost as fuck running around trying to get autographs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
Bad TP gets snuffed in the paint several times and ends up on his back while a 5 on 4 is headed the other way. That and cornholing Erin.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
It has been proven unequivocally over a large sample size, that even "bad TP" gets LMA quality looks on a very consistent basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
He might stifle the 3PT shooters some, but not the post up plays which SA runs more than any team (for a reason). Like that offense or not, that is SA offense and even "bad" TP does that better than Mills.
On top of that, Mills not playing well, while he provides the "threat" of spacing doesn't appear to have the gravity as much as you would think and you get the same issues so far of TP not being able to penetrate because Mills doesn't even bother trying because he can't.
but that's a benefit to patty... instead of wasting possessions trying to get penetration and killing the shot clock, he lets the offense go to work. whereas parker has no problem trying to penetrate when he can't, thus killing possessions instead of swinging the ball around much earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
its the same concept of praising somebody for good shot selection
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Originally Posted by SpursforSix
We must be getting blown out with patty then. :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by DMC
TP takes mostly good shots. Whether he makes them or not does not dictate whether they are good shots. Again, for the offense SA runs, TP gets more consistent quality looks for others than Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
I guess the best way to illustrate this point is for the first half of the season TP with the starters vs Mills with the same starters you had TP a + and Mills more of a -.
Over the 2nd half, it was great to see Mills be a + with that unit, even more than TP was, but TP was still a +.
Mills playing great can definitely be a plus, but Mills playing poorly is not. TP playing great has SA being the best version of themselves when TP not playing great can still be a + (to a much lesser degree) because of the "other" things he does when not shooting well.
Boiled down, Mills not shooting well only provides spacing and that has not proven to be enough to be a positive alone. TP not shooting well still gets the PnR sets going, gets guys like LMA higher quailty looks and plays better defense.
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Originally Posted by DMC
I'm pretty sure DPG is speaking about those 2 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
I for one don't think Patty is much better than Parker overall but that's another topic.
Point is that one cannot complain with Parker effort and result on defense so far.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
I'm speaking overall TP has always been levels better than Mills on defense. Even this year, while the gap may have closed some, TP is better. Vs MEM specifically? TP has been a great Conley defender while Mills has been atrocious and nothing in these first two games has changed that narrative at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
my point in all this is that when TP is "bad parker" i worry his leash is too long. i dont think that's been a problem with mills/manuQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Patty closes out games. This is "your best 5 vs my best 5" time. Clearly he is better even if he shoots 0-8. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Brazil
I am fine with that. Just pointing out that like people that scream "start Murray" just because TP is playing bad does not automatically mean there are better options.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurraider21
Especially when viewed under the lense of: 1) Is Manu/Mills playing well at that time & 2) Even if Manu/Mills are playing well, does that ceiling make it enough for SA to win or do you just need to hope TP does his thing so that ceiling can be achieved?
If neither TP nor Mills are playing well on a particular game I hope Pop plays another option (Murray, Manu at PG, even Kyle or Simmons), but if I really have to choose between bad Mills and bad TP, Patty should get the nod, if only because of spacing. That's one thing Mills will always provide over Tony. And no, in the real current World that we are living right now, a bad TP doesn't provide any of the things dpg is saying.
start murray never made sense... and patty has been so great in the second unit, it's not worth tinkering with (same with Pau even when dedmon is struggling)
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
That is simply not true. Look at the Conley vs TP and Conley vs Mills numbers I posted. TP's defense of Conley is better than non-shooting Mills. It just is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I agree with you though. I would like to see Pop get creative in the event TP stops being so good. Mills and Manu are not the answer at their current levels of play so he will have to try new things and hopefully get contributions from many people.