What's the SG plan over the summer, tbh...?

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

In reality I only know a few things about him.
He played with Davis last season actually and was a very good player for that team. He was I think runner up or came in 3rd for DPOY in the Euroleague.
He's a big time defensive player in Europe as far as I know. He's a good athlete, not like Simmons, bc Simmons is an elite athlete, that's his talent. But Hanga is a good athlete too. He's much like Simmons in not being that much of a shooter though. I think he could be fine for the Spurs if they don't reup Simmons. He's an experienced player so like Davis I expect him to look more seasoned than an average rookie.

Maybe someone can add more.

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Cheers:toast Many thanks for the scouting report. Now I really want to see Hanga in training camp

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Likely going to be bringing the main guard rotation back and bringing in Hanga and/or a draft pick to compete with Forbes and maybe Simmons.

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So, your instincts say Patty stays?

I want to see Hanga with Murray, Milutinov, Cady and whomever the Spurs draft in June in the Summer League. He and Simmons are the same age, but he's a lot more experienced than Simmons was and honestly is. As I said, I don't know if he can adjust to the NBA speed, but if he can, he has a role he can play. Maybe the defense of 2012 Green, with a handle a bit better than Simmons and Jon's current stroke.

Again, fifth wing. Could start in place of Green for some games, but I'd hope he wouldn't be the main option at backup two is Manu calls it quits. Big enough to play the three, especially off the bench, but he hopefully won't be better than Anderson if is the dude can get his head out of his ass.

i will never take anyone's word over my eyes.

i hated ray mccallum, was big on bertans.

hanga can play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6rFhelV_tw
great frame, determined.

would even start him over parker and i'll take him over batum.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

So, your instincts say Patty stays?

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I see no upside in letting him go. Obviously, he can choose to leave, but having him there secures one spot on a very fluid bench perimeter. I like the idea of Patty and Murray as the guards with Anderson and Bertans at the forwards and Gasol as the center. Then hopefully, they can have a good defense-first five from this draft waiting to step in once Pau moves on or if Dedmon doesn't re-sign.

Well TP coming off the bench is one thing to consider IF Murray shows he's legit. That would solve a lot of things IMO. I don't like TP with Mills in that setting but I would deal with that later.

Hopefully Murray develops and SA can get another G that is a plus defender (Hanga?). Spurs could be even scarier on defense next year if they can keep Dedmon and/or get another legit defensive C/PF.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

In reality I only know a few things about him.
He played with Davis last season actually and was a very good player for that team. He was I think runner up or came in 3rd for DPOY in the Euroleague.
He's a big time defensive player in Europe as far as I know. He's a good athlete, not like Simmons, bc Simmons is an elite athlete, that's his talent. But Hanga is a good athlete too. He's much like Simmons in not being that much of a shooter though. I think he could be fine for the Spurs if they don't reup Simmons. He's an experienced player so like Davis I expect him to look more seasoned than an average rookie.

Maybe someone can add more.

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Did you get to see Bertans playing with Bourousis? The two of them were very good together. I was REALLY hoping the Spurs would be able to bring him over along with Bertans this season. I think he has a contract that will basically go to the end of his career, IIRC.

I've got my doubts about Hanga ever coming over. It's just a feeling from some comments over time. And I've never seen any comments from him about wanting to prove himself in the NBA, or anything like that. If he does come over, I will be surprised.

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

i will never take anyone's word over my eyes.

i hated ray mccallum, was big on bertans.

hanga can play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6rFhelV_tw
great frame, determined.

would even start him over parker and i'll take him over batum.

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HIghlights can be very deceiving but loved his handles and (contrary to Simmons) his body control on penetrations/contact on the lane.

Interesting prospect to replace Simmons.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

As I've said before, I don't see any team investing a multi year deal for Simmons. He needs more consistency and proof to warrant a 2-3 year deal for 20-24 mil. ( I could be wrong)

There's also a slim chance Manu comes back.

That being said, I can see Simmons re-signing for a 1+1 deal more than I can see Spurs re-sign Patty for a 4 yr 44-50 million dollar deal. There's a slim chance, but a chance Manu comes back. There's also Hanga -- who likely is coming over. And there's the draft, the cheap FA bin, and the undrafted FA market.

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So basically other year of Patty, Simms, maybe Manu, and some unknown euro. With Parker, Danny, and Murray in his sophomore year=playing less minutes than Parker/Mills.

:depressed

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

So basically other year of Patty, Simms, maybe Manu, and some unknown euro. With Parker, Danny, and Murray in his sophomore year=playing less minutes than Parker/Mills.

:depressed

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With all those guys this year SA had the 2nd best record and looks poised to win at least 1 playoff series. If Murray develops and gets a more prominent role that would be a pretty good thing to add to this current team.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

With all those guys this year SA had the 2nd best record and looks poised to win at least 1 playoff series.

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I'd like to have a strong-combo guard that allow the Spurs to win more than 1 playoff series

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If Murray develops and gets a more prominent role that would be a pretty good thing to add to this current team.

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I cant see Murray getting ton of minutes on court to develop his game if the Spurs decide to pay Patty

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

So basically other year of Patty, Simms, maybe Manu, and some unknown euro. With Parker, Danny, and Murray in his sophomore year=playing less minutes than Parker/Mills.

:depressed

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I don't think Patty comes back. Spurs are very very high on Murray at the PG position (not SG). It will be his role next year. IMO.

Hanga comes over, Manu maybe comes back, Simmons might be back and you have the draft and FA market. They'll be fine at SG. As long as you realize they'll never ever have another prime Manu again at the back up SG spot. And that's okay, because Murray will be taking over the play-making/ Manu role but as the point guard.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I don't think Patty comes back. Spurs are very very high on Murray at the PG position (not SG). It will be his role next year. IMO.

Hanga comes over, Manu maybe comes back, Simmons might be back and you have the draft and FA market. They'll be fine at SG. As long as you realize they'll never ever have another prime Manu again at the SG spot. And that's okay, because Murray will be taking over the play-making/ Manu role but as the point guard.

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Maybe we see Murray come in for TP as first guard sub. Then Mills in for Danny and then slide Murray to SG so you have the Mills/Murray tandem.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Maybe we see Murray come in for TP as first guard sub. Then Mills in for Danny and then slide Murray to SG so you have the Mills/Murray tandem.

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It's a possibility for sure, but I just don't think the money makes sense to bring back Mills unless Mills takes a massive pay cut. And I'd figure they want to expedite Murrays growth at defending and playing the PG since Tony's time is ticking. No better way doing that by giving him the keys. Economically it makes sense to preserve the money Mills would receive for the following summer to bring in a bigger/more relevant piece.

There is only room for Patty/Porker or Patty/Murray or Murray/Porker. Murray/Porker is the worst one of the 3 though.

Murray is ready for a role and he has the highest ceiling of the 3, and he will get paid 1/10th -1/15th of Parker's salary and 1/10th-1/15th of Mills presumed salary. It's Mills or Parker. Murray is a no brainer.

I'm all for shipping porker to NY after we win the ship this year.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I'm all for shipping porker to NY after we win the ship this year.

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We will find out in 10 weeks what their plan is. They won't be trading Parker though.

Patty is the best fit for Kawhi. I know he's gonna be pissed if we lose Patty and keep porker.

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Originally Posted by dabom

Patty is the best fit for Kawhi. I know he's gonna be pissed if we lose Patty and keep porker.

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Kawhi will be fine. It's up to how high Spurs are on Murray and I know they are very very high. But if they really believe Murray is their next " guy", Patty won't be back -- doesn't make sense to pay that much money for an expendable role. Forbes is part of the equation as well.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Kawhi will be fine. It's up to how high Spurs are on Murray and I know they are very very high. But if they really believe Murray is their next " guy", Patty won't be back. You can book that.

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You said a lot of ifs. Kinda didn't say anything. Can I get a definite? :lol

The way the NBA is set up, you need shooters and 3 point shooters. Spurs would have to be fucking morons to lose Patty and keep porker. I wouldn't mind regulating porker to 3rd string but that doesn't make sense money wise.

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Originally Posted by dabom

The way the NBA is set up, you need shooters and 3 point shooters. Spurs would have to be fucking morons to lose Patty and keep porker. I wouldn't mind regulating porker to 3rd string but that doesn't make sense money wise.

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You do need shooters, but shooters are a dime a dozen and the skill is getting better and better across the board at every position. What is more valuable is getting two-way players, players who can shoot but that aren't a liability defensively.

Shooting can be expendable. It was for Roger Mason, it was for Gary Neal, and it can be for Patty.

If I'm the Spurs, I preserve the 11-15 mil going to Patty, and use it the following off-season. If I'm spending 10+ mil on a player, that player better be a two- way player.

Most 2way players are max players, and no, danny is not a 2way player. :lol Chinook

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Originally Posted by dabom

There is only room for Patty/Porker or Patty/Murray or Murray/Porker. Murray/Porker is the worst one of the 3 though.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I'm all for shipping porker to NY after we win the ship this year.

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didn't jackson recently say porzingis isn't untouchable? :lol

we should take advantage of that fool.