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For what it's worth. Kawhi has a 5-3 head-to-head record vs LeBron, not counting the 2013 & 2014 NBA Finals. LeBron has the advantage in points, assists, and FG%. Kawhi has the edge in rebounds, steals, blocks, and FT%.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id2=jamesle01
I still wouldn't feel comfortable putting Kawhi over LeBron (put it this way - if I'm having to choose one player out of anyone in the league for one playoff run, I'm still going with LeBron)...but he's pretty much cemented himself as the #2 guy IMO, which is a hell of an achievement in a league with guys like Durant, Harden, Curry, and Westbrook.
Depending on how the rest of this postseason goes, I could maybe see Kawhi jumping ahead of him. We still haven't seen Kawhi dominate on a consistent basis while leading a team deep into the postseason (really hope no one actually tries bringing up 2014 to argue this). If he can get us to the WCF and at least make the series against GS competitive while playing at the level he played at all year, then I might change my mind.
Kawhi is the second best player in the world but its kinda unfair to put him above the current champion of the world. Maybe next year
Kawhi has been better than Lebron ever since the last 3 games of the 2014 finals. Basically, Kawhi's defense outweighs Lebron's passing.
LBJ is good at defense, Kawhi is great. Kawhi is a better shooter than LeBron, but LeBron is a superior passer, floor leader, driver to the basket, and ball handler. Though LeBron is on the decline and Kawhi isn't in his prime years yet, I'd give the edge to LeBron. He just does more stuff better right now. But that's not a knock on Kawhi. You could make an argument that Kawhi is better, which is something that couldn't be done the last 8-10 years that LeBron was in the league.
Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal have slated Leonard as the 2nd best player as of now.
That's some high praise coming from two guys who don't say things for show or attention... they honestly believe Leonard is up there.
Ill still say Lebron is better but I like Kawhis decision making better. Kawhi passes it too but he'll make a move to the basket first, then finds the open man. Lebron just passes it from the three point line all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Doesn't mean shit if LeBron makes it to his 7th straight Finals...
Kawhi has to get there and dethrone the King for him to take the #1 spot. Regular season is nice and all but it's what happens in the PO that creates a legacy
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Originally Posted by spurs1990
I don't know if you remember, but Reggie Miller said towards the end of Game 2 that Kawhi might have passed LeBron.
lmao hahahaha he has never led a team past the 2nd round of the playoffs
lmao he disappeared in the playoffs 2 years in a row
ill let Nick Wright speak the truth here
Dude said beyonce is the most beautiful women in the world...... and gaymond was the best defensive player the last two years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benoit
Okay..... those takes seriously dent his credibility.
Beyonce is fine and all but isnt the most beautiful woman in the world. I just saw a chick at a gas station who was hotter than beyonce.
When the Spurs with Kawhi at the helm take out Houston/OKC, and then Golden State, I'm willing to entertain the notion. I want to see Kawhi do something like Lebron did in last season's finals. Pull that off, then yes, you are #1.
Stop getting sucked in so easily dude :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rastaspur
Benoit is the most obvious troll on here other than Bieber. He doesn't even believe what he says
Would be nice to have Kyrie and Love. Love and Aldridge are at about the same level when healthy. Kyrie is where Lebron has the advantage. If the Spurs had a top 10 PG, they'd have a good chance against GS. Lebron is a better player than Kawhi now, but I wouldn't judge that based on if the Spurs beat GS. If we swapped Kawhi for Lebron this season, I still don't see how we could beat GS without injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
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Originally Posted by SpursFan86
And? ONE great player has to make competitive a series against FOUR All-Stars in their prime? Yep...Fair expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
LeBron is the best player in the world but I wonder if he would have played 6 straight Finals playing in the West instead of the Weak-East.
Anyway, if Kawhi leads this current Spurs team to the WCF, we should build some Kawhi's statue and make it the favorite SA tourist attraction over River Walk and The Alamo.
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Unless we win the NBA title this year, wouldnt you agree Sir Apalisoc?
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I know. Just wanted to discredit the beyonce overhype. She is fine but there are plenty of hotter chicks in each decent sized city in america.Quote:
Originally Posted by PopTheGOAT
No, LeBron wouldn't make 6 straight Finals playing in the West...I don't think there's much debate there.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
As for Kawhi, I'm not saying he needs to beat GS or even push them to 7...but he needs to play at a high level and again, at least make the series somewhat competitive. I don't think that's unreasonable to expect from a guy who we're supposedly arguing as the best basketball player in the world.
The eastern conference is a joke. I vote for Kawhi.
I got Kawhi at #1 right now. He's younger, plays harder on D, and his post game is better than Lebron's.
Let's not forget the gaymond suspension and the warriors choke job. And it was kyrie hitting all the big shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry Mason
Whoever thinks Kawhi is better than LBJ is a nutcase.
He will be, eventually, once Lebron (finally) agesQuote:
Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili
I'd hope so there's a 6 year age difference. But I don't get how people say he's better than him now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
LeBron says shhhhhh ...Quote:
Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili
Yal niccas was smoking in honor of 420?
He may get the better of him head2head ...but he aint better than the Kang ...not yet and it's not even that close...yet.
Maybe he surpasses Durant this playoffs but he aint better than James.
Ive said this millions of times, Kawhi will never be even top5 in the league.
He learned offense on the go, like when he was already 20.
MVP caliber players are already stars in AAU, can handle like gods since they're 13
He has made great strides ...Quote:
Originally Posted by testies
By that logic Tyreke Evans > Kawhi Leonard--Sebastian Telfair > Kawhi LeonardQuote:
Originally Posted by testies
An aggressive Kawhi is unstoppable just like Bron. It's a good debate.
Lebron's performance today was amazing......
Has Kawhi done the triple double yet?
There are certain times when Kawhi's decision making with the ball is suspect, his passing hasnt reached the level of the all time greats like Larry Bird, etc
In order to defeat Lebron, you must be definitely ahead of Bird, Pressey, and Pippen.......
Just saying..............