Official 2017 Offseason Thread

Yes! Rudy gay could be our Shaun Livingston!!

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Originally Posted by eDizzle20

Patty's re-signing clearly shows PATFO's confidence in Murray. I'm assuming Patty will continue to come off the bench.

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Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.

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Originally Posted by Mugen

Rudy Gay? Not that GUY. NOOOOOOOOOOO

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

Rudy Gay has been a spurstalk laughingstock for years. And now we are going to get him.:lmao

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.

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Which we should ALL want. If they're going to compete, he needs to become a top 15 PG and fast. None of the guys on the market save Lowry are top 15 PGs. George MIGHT be borderline.

Gay can be the gunner off the bench the team has needed since Ginobili's scoring became inconsistent. As a starting three, it would be awkward for sure (assuming Kawhi moves to the two), but put him at the backup four with Bertans or Anderson moving into the starting role (with LMA as the five), and you have a more interesting team.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

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classic man. i always think of this vid when hearing Gay's name

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

21% shooting against the Warriors.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

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Rudy Gay. Did not see that coming.

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Originally Posted by Uriel

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:nope :vomit:

So we're going to have two TOSBs coming off career ending injuries next season? :lobt2:

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Gay can be the gunner off the bench the team has needed since Ginobili's scoring became inconsistent. As a starting three, it would be awkward for sure (assuming Kawhi moves to the two), but put him at the backup four with Bertans or Anderson moving into the starting role (with LMA as the five), and you have a more interesting team.

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Or Gay plays the 4 starting.

Spurs really look like they're tooling up for a smallball lineup full time.

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Originally Posted by LakerHater

As @wojespn just reported, the Spurs took Iguodala's call on this, not the other way. I don't know that the Spurs are a live bidder.

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He's just using us as leverage

I'm not getting his jersey.... nope

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Originally Posted by sasaint

Perhaps. I would really like JSimms back, but recognizing that is still a bit of a gamble, I (like everybody) don't want to break the bank over him.

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It's just a guesstimate considering Spurs meeting with other wings that could earn what I think Simmons wants. But now it seems like Andre Iguodala was the one with interest which doesn't send me the same message.

Rudy Gay is coming off an achillles tear and still rehabbing...Anyways Spurs offered JSimms 9 mill per year on a 2-1 contract. He wants more so he's going to talk to other teams. This may not be solved tonight

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.

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Do you really offer a 4 year deal to a designated backup PG?

If Gay can come back from the achilles injury then the though of LMA, Gay, Leonard, Green, Murray sounds pretty nice. That is a very long team that should be able to switch and defend multiple positions.

Only 2mil of Livingston's 3rd year is guaranteed. Mills contract just got even shittier.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Or Gay plays the 4 starting.

Spurs really look like they're tooling up for a smallball lineup full time.

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That's also possible, but I think Kawhi, Gay and LMA make an awkward fit. Patty would have to start. I guess if Simmons doesn't return, Murray, White, Anderson, Bertans, big works. But Simmons' skill-set wouldn't be great at any position, even if Danny's traded.

Pop and RC: "if you guys thought last year's squad was bad"

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Originally Posted by Mugen

So we're going to have two TOSBs coming off career ending injuries next season? :lobt2:

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Who says just next season? They could give Gay something long term, and re-up Tony.

But I guess they might not be "coming off career ending injuries" those extra years. So the answer to your question is "yes".

I thought versatility was the goal in the modern NBA. I guess Spurs are going a different direction.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

He's definitely better than Patty. But he was never leaving GS if he's taking an 8 million dollar deal. Are you implying no one out there was going to pay more than 8 million per for Livingston because THAT would be retarded. Look at the contracts that have been given out last year and those that will go out this year.

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No no. If I'm RC and am negotiating with Patty, I'd look at SL's contract as a comp (like you're buying real estate) to set Patty's price. If SL is the "nicer house," why are you paying more for less? I get that there's a loyalty factor of sticking to a contender, but I think that applies to Patty and the spurs too. Simply, this deal makes no sense because you're paying more (for longer) for less. What's the defense to that?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

As for long term money, did you expect nothing but min or one year deals before 2018? The Spurs have to fill a roster, cap room plan or not. LMA pretty much shit on a 2018 plan already. There's no real reason to hold out for 2018 cap room, even before all of this. Who were they going to sign?

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I'm not following the logic here. We need to fill a roster spot so overpay Patty? The better alternative would be to take the 800k roster charge than overpay Patty. Also, why does LMA shit on 2018? Do you think he'll exercise his player option? Because I don't.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Mills on a 12 million dollar deal isn't going to hamper the Spurs going forward. its always going to be a trade-able contract.

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It's not going to help the cap. Patty doesn't move the needle vs. the warriors. He's borderline unplayable against them. So why tie up a shit ton of money long term by overpaying for an undersized pg?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

How many Spurs offseasons have you been here for? Have you learned nothing? Why is ANYONE surprised or shocked by what is happening? Every fucking year the Spurs do the same thing (and keep winning) and people here are shocked when they do it again the next year.

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I've been here for too many of these kinds of offseasons. This reminds me of the RMJ years. We've committed to some horrible contracts before, and we just did again tonight.

False alarm. :lmao