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Originally Posted by RD2191
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Throw Danny in and see what happens........Quote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
Lol... that's funny! But it probably hit him once he made it into the NBA that his dad, who he worked so hard for wasn't around to see that he made it. So now he's a quite guy. I seen the video of him taunting Jimmer an was like woooooow, that was Kawhi!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by keithington1
It's marketing, just like Davis' unibrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithington1
This was more feasible a year ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
The preferred term is cyborg.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithington1
When he got injured by stepping on David Lee's foot, he almost didn't look like he knew how react, it looked so unnatural.:lol
Spurs need players who can create their own shot, unfortunately will receive very high bidsQuote:
Originally Posted by RD2191
Lakers bound imho
Is Nicolas Batum a positive player in terms of trade value? He seems overpaid, but he's going to make about 2/3 what Paul is going to make and less than any decent FA.
He's a pretty good playmaker from the wing, but unless the Spurs trade Green for him, move Danny to the bench, or run a lot of small lineups with Leonard and Batum at the forward positions, I don't see the fit. Hayward is talented enough to make it work, Batum not so much imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
A lack of playmaking ability in the backcourt will be a real problem. Murray's court vision isn't developed enough and most likely won't be by next year's playoffs.
Edit: just checked Batum's contract. Ouch. I think I'd rather have Paul at $35M than Batum at $22M given positional overlap and the Spurs' need for a playmaking PG. I guess Batum could be had for Gasol + filler so if the Spurs refuse to salary-dump or stretch Parker it's a more viable path. But that contract is very hard to build around.
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Originally Posted by CGD
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unable to compete with GS
The idea would be he'd play a lot of small-ball four. I think he used to do that in Portland. If he came with Green, Leonard and LMA still around, he could be the secondary play-maker the team needs, making a guy like Mills a viable option at PG with that group. While Hayward can definitely do that, he's also more expensive and thus would require more roster overhaul to attain. Even more so for Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventyniner
I agree with this. At the same time, the team needs to increase its talent as much as its fit. Batum isn't a good enough scorer for me to feel comfortable with him being the main addition, but they could do worse.Quote:
A lack of playmaking ability in the backcourt will be a real problem. Murray's court vision isn't developed enough and most likely won't be by next year's playoffs.
Nic certainly isn't being paid as a role-player. But Paul would be making almost $20 Million more than Batum in their final years. That's untenable for me, especially given that I think the cap will collapse by then. That Batum turns into a wet noodle in the playoffs is an issue, especially if he and LMA are the second and third options. But a Simmons, Green, Kawhi, Batum and LMA lineup could be very hard to guard.Quote:
Edit: just checked Batum's contract. Ouch. I think I'd rather have Paul at $35M than Batum at $22M given positional overlap and the Spurs' need for a playmaking PG. I guess Batum could be had for Gasol + filler so if the Spurs refuse to salary-dump or stretch Parker it's a more viable path. But that contract is very hard to build around.
Please stop. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Batum is nearing 30. We have a Superstar who needs better sidekicks for the long haul (Murray is one of them). Trading for a fucking near 30 year old way overpaid role players is not the way to go. Come the fuck on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
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Originally Posted by David Stern
Okay, no. Batum turned 28 this year. You can bitch about a lot of issues with him, but his age is not one of them. Kawhi doesn't need to be surrounding with 19-year-old guys picked at the end of the first. He needs the best mix of players, old and young, the team can give him.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stern
I don't know what some fans are expecting, but posts like yours are borderline delusional.
He will be 29 in December. He is an overpaid role player. And stop with this "best mix of players" bullshit. He needs 2 legit sidekicks and a solid supporting cast behind that. Are you fucking kidding me with Batum? No. Just no. Kawhi and a good supporting cast doesn't work. You need a big 3 plus good role players. Cp3? No. Batum? Gmafb. Murray? The upside is there. Mold him into that new big 3. Find another young piece and finish the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
This sounds ridiculous. Kawhi's not going to get a "Big Three" if you start nixing everyone older than 27. That you think Murray is anything more than a prospect right now is disturbing. He's not a "piece" of a star trio; he's not penciled in to be one either. I'd love for him to be the next Parker or Butler, but if you think that's how they're going to figure out how to compete, I don't know what to tell you, but Kawhi's going to be getting old (by your standards) by the time guys like Murray are even in their sweet spot -- assuming they work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stern
Kawhi and a good supporting cast would work if that supporting cast were better and more diversified. The Spurs aren't going to pull a Cavs or Warriors. They're going to try to form a strong team with good offense and great defense. I'm sorry that bothers you, but this, "fuck Paul and Lowry; we got Murray and 29" attitude isn't going to lead to happiness.
That method won't work consistently. It is a proven failed method. Duncan would have only had MAYBE 2 rings in his career if they went with this method you are saying "works." It's why they got him sidekicks plus great role players which lead to more championships. I'm sorry but this has to be done for Leonard or you can forget about seeing more than one (if they even get lucky with that) championship parade with Leonard as the Alpha. This is being realistic. I want a realistic shot at winning championships and your methods are guaranteed to allow that NOT to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
The Spurs got lucky as hell with Parker and Ginobili; they had no idea the quality of players they were going to turn into. Generally late first round picks and second round picks don't work out in the NBA or at least don't turn into star players.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stern
This is totally contradictory. Duncan having two rings would still be better than Kawhi's likely to have relying on late picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Stern
They didn't get him sidekicks; they happened to draft two HoFers with late picks. Your whole plan is, "Oh, they'll just hit the lottery two more fucking times and keep it going." Murray's not Parker. I hope he becomes that, but he's not now and isn't likely to be. And no one is going to get another Manu at 58.Quote:
It's why they got him sidekicks plus great role players which lead to more championships.
You're being insanely unrealistic in thinking that guys like Murray are better bets than actual established players. More importantly, you're being extremely close-minding. Overpaying for role-players in no way stops them from drafting and developing players like Murray. DeJounte isn't using that money right now, so Batum getting it doesn't affect him. If you aren't going to spend it on stars, you may as well spend it on the role-players you were talking about. The Spurs developed Parker while giving guys like Steve Smith, Malik Rose and huge gobs of cash.Quote:
I'm sorry but this has to be done for Leonard or you can forget about seeing more than one (if they even get lucky with that) championship parade with Leonard as the Alpha. This is being realistic. I want a realistic shot at winning championships and your methods are guaranteed to allow that NOT to happen.
Four players I like in the draft
SG Josh Hart - Villanova
solid offensive player, very good defensive player, team leader, high bball IQ, gives max effort, only average athleticism
PF Isaiah Hartenstein - Zalgiris
big and physical, will fight for rebounds, shows good effort on defense, improving offensive game especially from the perimeter
SG Andrew White III - Syracuse
nice size for position, had a good 3pt and mid-range game, can create own shot, good rebounder for a SG, can get after it on defense, 23 years old
PG Kadeem Allen - Arizona
nice size for position, outstanding defender, needs to work on offensive game, will turn 25 this year
I still want to bring back Manu and Simmons. Let Mills walk. Bring over Hanga and Mulitinov. Get these 4 players from the draft and post-draft (stashing Hartenstein for a year or two).
PG - Murray, Allen, Parker (injured)
SG - Green, Manu, Hart, White
SF - Leonard, Simmons, Hanga
PF - Aldridge, Bertans
C - Gasol, Lee, Mulitinov
I would like to figure out a way to replace Aldridge with Zach Randolph (who is a UFA). I would also like to replace Gasol with a younger, more athletic big. I do like the potential of Richaun Holmes, but we would have to make a trade to get him from Philly. I wonder if we could get Okafor to play up to his potential, cause he isn't doing that in Philly.
I like Hart too. I'd like to see us pick up an early second rounder to get him. I think he could be Brogdon like. Be a PG/SG type player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggems
Spurs will sign a washed up player to be the second string PG until Tony comes back and takes Murray's minutes.
Simmons, Mills (thank God), and Dedmon are gone.
Pau, LMA, and Green will remain starters and stink it up even worse than they did this year.
Kawhi will still be left without an adequate backup as Fathead still can't shoot and his ceiling is as a bench utility big.
Manu will come back on another loyalty contract and play at least 15 minutes a game.
Spurs will do nothing in the draft; perhaps grabbing a decent player who won't get minutes when it counts (or whiff on the pick), and waste the second rounder on a Euro who will never make the team.
Book it.
So is Jaron Blossomgame for real? He's getting a lot of attention in the workouts, and a lot of talk about him being a hard worker. He's looking like a second-rounder - the Spurs have to be looking for a second round steal. He shot the 3 very well as a junior, and went to hell this year. But if he can do it for one whole season, that looks like something that could be fixed. If he's a hit, having him on the court with Kawhi would be great for the New NBA.
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Originally Posted by TimDunkem