Official 2017 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Anybody signing George besides the Lakers is buying fools gold. You waste assets trading for a one year rental.

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I wouldn't be worried about that at all if the Clippers traded for him, tbh. He would still be playing and living in LA. He'd get to play for the team he grew up rooting for and wanted to be drafted by. Woj said he loved playing for Bird in Indy - we have Jerry West, who's a lot better as an executive than Bird was. And we have a better team than the Lakers. He'd have to be the dumbest douchebag in the NBA to walk away from that after a year to go to the suck-ass Lakers.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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:lol

Check the date.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Check the date.

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I did later. Lol he got me lol

Twitter is the best :lol

The saga continues.

I have no idea what that is. Are KD and Weatbrook in a social media fight?

KD is a soft and would probably do this, but I just can't see Westbrook doing that.

What the hell is going on? Lol

Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

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Originally Posted by spursistan

Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

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Hmmm, how about 2 firsts and Gasol (he was a starter). TBH after Kawhi trade, Pacers will never trade with us again.

PG and Kawhi would be an awesome pairing tho. PG can be beta and it won't matter bc Kawhi is alpha. And PG is mostly alpha and when he turns beta, he just defers to Kawhi.

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Originally Posted by BatManu20

The saga continues.

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:lmao..

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Originally Posted by spursistan

Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

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The Pacers should feel free to take all the Spurs starters not named Kawhi in exchange for PG. That's an instant contender there.

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Originally Posted by GSH

I know Spur fans don't want to hear it, but the Lakers are in position to be good again, and very soon. Adding Paul George, this season or next, would put them right back in the mix. They were on a race to the bottom this season, to keep that lottery pick, but they also showed at times that they could play ball. Adding a couple of seasoned vets is just what they need.

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I disagree. PG is not the difference in 15 wins (where LA is and the playoffs). Their FO is still ultimatley run by in-house fighting family and that is bad. Magic has displayed some of the worst talent evaluation skills I have ever seen. Their lottery pick talent they are already basically willing to give up on (trade Randle, draft Lonzo or Fultz when they burned a top 3 pick on Russell, etc..).

I dont think it's that close tbh.

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Originally Posted by spursistan

Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

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Yeah, no Pacers. I actually don't think that Pau + 29 deal is not that far off. Toss in Kyle so they get another young asset (and we avoid paying kyles next salary).

I refuse to get my hopes up on any Spurs FA splash. They gonna trot out the same shitty lineup. Kawhi and a bunch of turds in a punch bowl.

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Originally Posted by noles1983

I refuse to get my hopes up on any Spurs FA splash. They gonna trot out the same shitty lineup. Kawhi and a bunch of turds in a punch bowl.

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You mean the WCF Spurs? Those turds?

Player trades can be made before the draft and free agency, right? You think the Pacers are trying to do something now?

I have a feeling the Pacers will try and move fast on a deal, if that is the case, the Spurs really need to get in on it.

If they strike out, they strike out, but they need to have a shot at trying to get him. The other problem the Spurs would have is, would the Pacers even deal with them after the Kawhi trade even if the package was a good one?

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Originally Posted by Ice009

Player trades can be made before the draft and free agency, right? You think the Pacers are trying to do something now?

I have a feeling the Pacers will try and move fast on a deal, if that is the case, the Spurs really need to get in on it.

If they strike out, they strike out, but they need to have a shot at trying to get him. The other problem the Spurs would have is, would the Pacers even deal with them after the Kawhi trade even if the package was a good one?

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Yes - you can make trades before the draft and FA.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I disagree. PG is not the difference in 15 wins (where LA is and the playoffs). Their FO is still ultimatley run by in-house fighting family and that is bad. Magic has displayed some of the worst talent evaluation skills I have ever seen. Their lottery pick talent they are already basically willing to give up on (trade Randle, draft Lonzo or Fultz when they burned a top 3 pick on Russell, etc..).

I dont think it's that close tbh.

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Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.

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Originally Posted by GSH

Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.

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Yes, I had forgotten they traded one of their best offensive players to the Rockets to lose harder, benched Dsnitch bc he was still helping win games. They kept benching their best youngsters towards the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Yes, I had forgotten they traded one of their best offensive players to the Rockets to lose harder, benched Dsnitch bc he was still helping win games. They kept benching their best youngsters towards the end of the season.

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I'm surprised the players' union hasn't filed a complaint with them for shutting down Deng and Mozgov in order to lose games.

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Originally Posted by cjw

I'm surprised the players' union hasn't filed a complaint with them for shutting down Deng and Mozgov in order to lose games.

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Not sure about their situation since I don't follow or care about the Lakers but maybe Mozgov and Deng didn't care if they weren't going to be FA...

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Originally Posted by GSH

Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.

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Eh - I still don't totally agree. While at the same time you can say trading Lou is tanking (and it was) the reason they won many of their games is because teams didn't take them serious. So I think as many wins as you want to add back for tanking, you could subtract because teams just flat out didn't take them serious and got caught with Swaggy P hitting 8 3's.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Eh - I still don't totally agree. While at the same time you can say trading Lou is tanking (and it was) the reason they won many of their games is because teams didn't take them serious. So I think as many wins as you want to add back for tanking, you could subtract because teams just flat out didn't take them serious and got caught with Swaggy P hitting 8 3's.

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Stalemate. But surely you agree that PG + the 2 pick would make them better?

I watched teams overlook the Lakers, come in and play like absolute dog shit, and the Lakers STILL forced their way to a loss. And .500 teams get overlooked all the time. They opened up the season 10-10, and teams weren't totally overlooking them then - and that's when they got really serious about tanking. But the biggest thing is that they literally didn't play defense.

Unfortunately for my argument, dumping Lou Williams is probably the biggest argument against my idea that they plan to get better in the near future. Well... that and the fact that Jerry West wanted to come back to LAla land, and they flipped him off and said "No thanks". I like Magic, and respect what he did as a player. I have my doubts about him running operations.

They won't be playing in a vacuum. Looking at the other teams in the West, they could wind up around .500 and be the 9 or 10 team. But there are a couple of teams like Portland, Memphis, and maybe even the Clippers (if West takes a 2-3 year approach to improve) that could fall to around .500 also. Then you're looking at the flip-flop of just a few RS games between 7 and 9.