Spurs Select G Derrick White in the 2017 NBA Draft (29th Overall)

His weaknesses are pretty important aspects as a lead guard.

Going to have to get stronger to finish through contact and going to have to play team ball and leave those isos off the dribble in college....

Also not necessarily a lead guard for the Spurs. Kyle was a PG in college and has had to learn to play off the ball. This dude being a better shooter is probably better suited for off the ball play.

Not really comparable bc Kyle's 6'9 with really elite length and has gotten stronger. He can get contact and finish with his length .... I don't know about him.. we shall see I guess.

Also he's one ugly mofo. Big fronhead aside I guess... nothing like Kyle lol. That's for those who were pinning him on me.:lol

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

His weaknesses are pretty important aspects as a lead guard.

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And his strengths are pretty important aspects as well.

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Originally Posted by Kurik

And his strengths are pretty important aspects as well.

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For a lead guard in the NBA? Disagree.

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Originally Posted by benefactor

He's was on track to be a rotation player before the injury tbh

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James Anderson was never the same after that injury. Before that, he was looking like a real draft bargain. Not a star, but like you say he was on track to get rotation minutes. Would have been life-changing for that young man, and I always felt sorry for how things turned on him.

But he's another example of the Spurs making a good late pick. The fact that it didn't pan out doesn't change the fact that it was a good pick.

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James Anderson was never the same after that injury. Before that, he was looking like a real draft bargain. Not a star, but like you say he was on track to get rotation minutes. Would have been life-changing for that young man, and I always felt sorry for how things turned on him.

But he's another example of the Spurs making a good late pick. The fact that it didn't pan out doesn't change the fact that it was a good pick.

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Yeah and if I remember correctly that was a very weak draft as far as depth goes.

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

Oh my, the alien invasion is real.

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I bet you're an ugly mother fucked too.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

For a lead guard in the NBA? Disagree.

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I disagree with your disagree

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Originally Posted by palangi

I bet you're an ugly mother fucked too.

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Not really, did I hit a nerve on you or something?

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Originally Posted by jyra

I'm not sure how well that kind of shot blocking can translate to the NBA level. His wingspan is quite a bit shorter compared to Danny Green, 6-7 1/2 vs. 6-10.

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I just noticed that.. we're used to seeing Kawhi's & DG's looooong arms disrupting all kinds of players out in the perimeter, but in the highlights his arms do seem rather short (compared to KL & DG's). Not sure I'm liking this

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That instinct and timing is god given... paired with a great standing vertical, and his technique polished by the Spurs defensive system, seems like his shot blocking will carry over. Intelligence also helps on both sides of the ball. And he has also shown fron his career path, to be someone who overcomes odds, and will give everything he has to succeed. That sort of attitude is contagious and needed for championship teams.

I think Murray needs to be surrounded by those sorts of energies or he could easily get waylaid fron his promise.

I'm not sure, but also a part of Danny Green being jettisoned has been his inconsistent work ethic. I know where he gets his haircut, and that barber shop also has a lot questionable going ons about it.

This pick shows many layers, and gives interesting insight.

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I agree with his work ethic as a possible reason, but can you elaborate on the "questionable going on" at the barber shop that he hangs out in?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=400915646

:lmao Wanting Shitbell over White.

Derrick White leading his team to defeat #10 Oregon. Much better stats than Shitbell tbh.

I like Danny Green's defense even though he's a very limited player in so many other aspects.

He may have questionable work ethic, but clearly better work ethic than LaMarcus. The problem is that these two players are the next oldest players in the team and you have to expect that they show some level of leadership. Green is 30 and Aldridge is 31.

Everyone else is younger, Mills is 28, Simmons 27, Leonard 25 and gets younger with Bertans, Murray, Forbes and now White.

The old guys with work ethic, like Manu and Parker are likely not going to be playing.

Gasol is a slacker and isn't working harder at his age.

So really, Spurs have a big problem with Green and Aldridge being slackers.

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Oh my, the alien invasion is real.

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I'm a believer. Not saying he'll pan out, but he's far craftier than most of the guys in this draft. The NBA is sliding into a shithole drafting all these freshman prospects that are 2-4 years away from knowing how to play. The NBA schedule doesn't allow teaching the craft of the game and most of these guys are just going to be shit. High ceiling for most of them is Marvin Williams. And then the second half of the draft was full of freshman big men.

If White was two or three years younger he'd be at least a lottery pick. Four years younger, top five.

I know that's a big jump, but GM's now are looking at 'guys who will improve', the upside thing. But what if that player is already at 23 what you hope the guy you're drafting at 20 will become?

Lol nothing sinisiter, just you know, if you need some party favirs you can find it there out the back etc...

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Not really, did I hit a nerve on you or something?

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Nah, I just find it funny you making fun of someone look on the Internet while hiding behind your computer.

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I like Danny Green's defense even though he's a very limited player in so many other aspects.

He may have questionable work ethic, but clearly better work ethic than LaMarcus. The problem is that these two players are the next oldest players in the team and you have to expect that they show some level of leadership. Green is 30 and Aldridge is 31.

Everyone else is younger, Mills is 28, Simmons 27, Leonard 25 and gets younger with Bertans, Murray, Forbes and now White.

The old guys with work ethic, like Manu and Parker are likely not going to be playing.

Gasol is a slacker and isn't working harder at his age.

So really, Spurs have a big problem with Green and Aldridge being slackers.

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Pau has stayed in shape for better than LMA has. Including last year.

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https://twitter.com/VNdsgn/status/87...882560/photo/1

Kinda reminds me of a young Courtney Lee

The negative posts remind me of how everyone felt when we drafted George Hill. Almost identical. I expect he will become the starting SG in a few years unless if Simmons somehow sticks around.. Green's days are numbered. Green will not be dumped, but will be a sweetener to close a deal.

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Nah, I just find it funny you making fun of someone look on the Internet while hiding behind your computer.

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Is not what ST is for?

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

Is not what ST is for?

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I think it is set forth somewhere in the bylaws.

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Is not what ST is for?

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Sure if you're an ugly mother fucker yourself

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Originally Posted by palangi

Sure if you're an ugly mother fucker yourself

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Not necessarily, and that duo is ugly as fuck maybe you feel related to them who knows, I think they should be the ¨Galactic Brothers¨
One more of them next season and this is Ridley Scott material, it could be YOU!

I have a feeling this has been posted somewhere in one of these threads but this is a pretty good read:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...t-11244692.php

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

Not necessarily, and that duo is ugly as fuck maybe you feel related to them who knows, I think they should be the ¨Galactic Brothers¨
One more of them next season and this is Ridley Scott material, it could be YOU!

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Ugly guy on the Internet always worried about others looks.

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Ugly guy on the Internet always worried about others looks.

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I defend my people, and you defend your kind, get the fuck out of our planet you have no business here.

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I defend my people, and you defend your kind, get the fuck out of our planet you have no business here.

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You are officially butthurt. Ha ha. You can dish but can't take it.

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Originally Posted by palangi

You are officially butthurt. Ha ha. You can dish but can't take it.

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Why Im butthurted? You are the feminazi here, Kyle is ugly, this new kid is ugly and I bet my ass you are ugly as fuck thats why you want to punish me and I wont be able to change your looks or the other guys looks.
Everybody has been making jokes on Fathead but this was enough right?
I smell a demorat, and a very lame interweb police agent.
That kind of ChumpDumper gay cry doesnt work on me, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

Why Im butthurted? You are the feminazi here, Kyle is ugly, this new kid is ugly and I bet my ass you are ugly as fuck thats why you want to punish me and I wont be able to change your looks or the other guys looks.
Everybody has been making jokes on Fathead but this was enough right?
I smell a demorat, and a very lame interweb police agent.
That kind of ChumpDumper gay cry doesnt work on me, sorry.

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Can dish it but can't take it. Simpleton

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Originally Posted by palangi

Can dish it but can't take it. Simpleton

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This proves you are an ugly mofo that got hit on a nerve.
There is nothing to take ChumpDump.

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This proves you are an ugly mofo that got hit on a nerve.
There is nothing to take ChumpDump.

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Internet guy rating other guys looks. .......hmmmmmm?

Pillow biter!

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Internet guy rating other guys looks. .......hmmmmmm?

Pillow biter!

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This says more about you than me, a guy that defends grown up men with tooth & nails is something fishy.
A typical ST comment makes you go bitch crazy like that? I dont event want to think what your personal may be, even classy posters make that kind of funny comments, BillMC once said Vince Carter has an ugly face, and he is as classy as they come, have you anything to say about that?
Maybe you should go to reddit or pound the cock and have fun with the other banana polishers.

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Great. So he can't play two guard against a regular 2 guard. Fucking RC and his friend's recommendations really don't help the Spurs that much.

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Great. So he can't play two guard against a regular 2 guard. Fucking RC and his friend's recommendations really don't help the Spurs that much.

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Hopefully he can play decently against regular point guards like Markelle Fultz.

Another take from the combine :

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-day-two-5929/
DERRICK WHITE, SENIOR, POINT GUARD, COLORADO -

9 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 2 blocks, 3-5 2P, 1-3 3P, 26 minutes

Derrick White wrapped up a strong NBA Combine showing with a solid second game, particularly in an extended first half stretch in which he proved to be arguably the most talented guard prospect competing in the five on five portion of the event. White didn't post gaudy stats, but nevertheless impressed mightily with his outstanding combination of size, footwork, creativity and court vision, which allowed him to control the tempo of the game. White was particularly effective in the open floor, where he has an extra gear he can get to in conjunction with his natural ability to change speeds and keep defenders on their heels. He does a great job of using his body to create space and see over the top of the defense, and has excellent timing on his passes, which gets his teammates plenty of easy baskets. The fact that White can hit both pull-up and spot-up jumpers, with range out to the 3-point line, as well as finish with soft touch on his floaters layups, gives him a pretty complete arsenal of offensive skills for a 6'4 guard. He made some highlight plays on defense, finishing the Combine with four blocks in two games, but wasn't quite as effective on that end of the floor. White still lacks a degree of strength, toughness and urgency at times, as he was scored on a few times by bigger guards and wings like Tyler Dorsey (in the first game) and Dillon Brooks in the second. He's likely best suited defending point guards for that reason, and seemed to get lost in the shuffle a bit in the second half when asked to operate off the ball offensively as well. All in all, White is in the midst of a very strong pre-draft process, demonstrating his talent quite vividly at both the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament and the NBA Combine, and is in turn likely to start getting some looks at the end of the first round. -

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next kevin martin ?

Dion waiters type?

Much more complete than either

Kevin Martin has to the worst and most random player comp.:lol

I love the pick if he is a PG...hate it if he is a SG...

He would be a great backup for Murray

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I love the pick if he is a PG...hate it if he is a SG...

He would be a great backup for Murray

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He is here to be a SG that will learn to play better defense. He will only plat PG as a last resort.

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He is here to be a SG that will learn to play better defense. He will only plat PG as a last resort.

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Did pop say that? Or is it opinion?

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Another take from the combine :

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-day-two-5929/
DERRICK WHITE, SENIOR, POINT GUARD, COLORADO -

9 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 turnovers, 2 blocks, 3-5 2P, 1-3 3P, 26 minutes

Derrick White wrapped up a strong NBA Combine showing with a solid second game, particularly in an extended first half stretch in which he proved to be arguably the most talented guard prospect competing in the five on five portion of the event. White didn't post gaudy stats, but nevertheless impressed mightily with his outstanding combination of size, footwork, creativity and court vision, which allowed him to control the tempo of the game. White was particularly effective in the open floor, where he has an extra gear he can get to in conjunction with his natural ability to change speeds and keep defenders on their heels. He does a great job of using his body to create space and see over the top of the defense, and has excellent timing on his passes, which gets his teammates plenty of easy baskets. The fact that White can hit both pull-up and spot-up jumpers, with range out to the 3-point line, as well as finish with soft touch on his floaters layups, gives him a pretty complete arsenal of offensive skills for a 6'4 guard. He made some highlight plays on defense, finishing the Combine with four blocks in two games, but wasn't quite as effective on that end of the floor. White still lacks a degree of strength, toughness and urgency at times, as he was scored on a few times by bigger guards and wings like Tyler Dorsey (in the first game) and Dillon Brooks in the second. He's likely best suited defending point guards for that reason, and seemed to get lost in the shuffle a bit in the second half when asked to operate off the ball offensively as well. All in all, White is in the midst of a very strong pre-draft process, demonstrating his talent quite vividly at both the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament and the NBA Combine, and is in turn likely to start getting some looks at the end of the first round. -

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Thanks for sharing.
He's probably going to have to learn to play off the ball, bc that is the Spurs, outside of Kiwi no one is going to be exclusively ball dominant (not even Dijon, who needs to work on his shooting too). Anyways, I see a rookie season with a lot of learning. Really excited about him, although I don't expect much right away bc rookie/development, etc.

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Dion waiters type?

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Dion is a very strong and athletic guard. I don't see the comparison.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Dion is a very strong and athletic guard. I don't see the comparison.

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Greivis Vasquez is a pretty good comparison style and skillset wise, but White would have a ways to go to get there.

My problem with the pick is the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. If you need a back up serviceable PG, you can find one any off-season from multiple avenues. Especially one with a limited ceiling (like White). Murray I can understand because he has a rare skillset and has the tools that give him an All Star ceiling. I hate how they wasted the 29th pick on a PG that doesn't have the motor or athleticism to give him the type of ceiling you typically want with the 1st round pick.

Serviceable back up point guards are the easiest thing to find these days and Spurs just wasted their 1st on one that just has a ceiling of that. One may argue that he can shoot -- which he can, but even shooting is becoming saturated and not difficult to find. Plus, the already have Forbes. For those reasons, I'm disappointed with the pick. I wish they drafted a big or a wing with the pick. I personally think Frank Jackson was a better pick if they went point guard, and I also would have drafted Josh Hart, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, or Sterling Brown over White.

^Agreed 100%.

White could be good. He might even turn out great, but there were other prospects the Spurs could've went after that you could easily argue have more potential, and/or are better right now that would've filled more pressing needs.

I'm rooting for White. I really hate the pick though.

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The negative posts remind me of how everyone felt when we drafted George Hill. Almost identical. I expect he will become the starting SG in a few years unless if Simmons somehow sticks around.. Green's days are numbered. Green will not be dumped, but will be a sweetener to close a deal.

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He doesn't have the athleticism or size to be a good enough defender in the NBA at the SG position.He'll never be a starter, unless Spurs have another 1996-1997 type season.

There's a reason Roger Mason didn't last long in the league after teams started realizing how detrimental it is to start short defensive liabilities on the wing.

Frank Mason's ceiling as a PG is Antonio Daniels.

Really hope this wasn't like the CJ pick where he was only chosen because of relationships within the organization because all I keep hearing is that White's coach's recommendation was the biggest factor. :rolleyes

In Tad we trust, I guess?

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Frank Mason ceiling as a PG is Antonio Daniels.

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Wouldn't have taken Mason myself but that's a shitty comparison, tbh. Bad take.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Wouldn't have taken Mason myself but that's a shitty comparison, tbh. Bad take.

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Really. Why? Please expand.

They're not similar at all, for one. :lol Are you talking about career trajectory or ball skills? If it's the latter, you're way off.

Tbh, White has more similarities to Daniels than Mason does.

Now the pick makes sense... :lmao

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

They're not similar at all, for one. :lol Are you talking about career trajectory or ball skills? If it's the latter, you're way off.

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Still waiting for a some specifics. Since you won't/can't give specifics I'll give some actual opinion not just PA shade. Both lack/lacked PG vision or passing skills. Both are/were athletic drive to the rim combo guards lacking adequate PG skills to pull off the PG half of the equation and too small for the SG part. Mason will be in and out of the league a few times then out imo

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Tbh, White has more similarities to Daniels than Mason does.

Now the pick makes sense... :lmao

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Nah... I watched AD and this guy. They don't play, or move alike.

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Nah... I watched AD and this guy. They don't play, or move alike.

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White is the anti-Daniels. No idea where that comparison came from. Deep, deep left field, at the fence.

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Still waiting for a some specifics. Since you won't/can't give specifics I'll give some actual opinion not just PA shade. Both lack/lacked PG vision or passing skills. Both are/were athletic drive to the rim combo guards lacking adequate PG skills to pull off the PG half of the equationand too small for the SG part.

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Lmao "Wont/Can't"... Didn't think I would need to describe the differences between an apple and orange to you. Then again, you also think LeBron to LA is a possibility. :lol

First of all, they're completely different physically; Daniels being bigger, stronger, while Mason is undersized yet has elite quickness. Second, Mason is a far better shooter and scorer than Daniels ever was, whereas Daniels was certainly a superior defender. Third, you're right about Daniels preferring to get to the rim. That's because Mason loves pulling up in transition or spotting up beyond the arc.

Now, is that enough or should I expect you to be a pedantic ass and start debating minute similarities? :rolleyes

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White is the anti-Daniels. No idea where that comparison came from. Deep, deep left field, at the fence.

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Didn't claim they were spot on comparisons. All I said was the similarities are closer than Mason and Daniels. Especially physically.

Nice to know your reading comprehension is just as shit as your player analysis. :lol

Seriously, did you really ever see Daniels play?

Why do you think a rookie PG name Parker, who could pretty much only dribble the ball up the court and pass off to Duncan, beat Daniels out of the starting PG spot 5 games into his NBA career?

I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.

What the hell does Tony clearly being better than that scrub Daniels have to do with Mason being a completely different player from Antonio Daniels in just about every way?

Silly thing to argue about anyway. There were faaaar better comparisons you could've made to Mason.

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I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.

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With the recent variables that got thrown into the equation with LA finally going to Stephen A to cry about how Pop made him worse, I imagine SA will target front court help this free agency period. Ibaka, Pat Patterson, Terrence Jones and D-Mo are names to watch. If they can get Ibaka to commit, I think LA is dumped to PHX for Chriss or MIA's 1st in 18 .. or maybe PHX has enough leverage in deal to get LA for free.

I'd love Ibaka on this team. Wouldn't mind taking a flyer on TJ either if he comes cheap.

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Didn't claim they were spot on comparisons. All I said was the similarities are closer than Mason and Daniels. Especially physically.

Nice to know your reading comprehension is just as shit as your player analysis. :lol

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No... I'm starting to question yours.

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Silly thing to argue about anyway. There were faaaar better comparisons you could've made to Mason.

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Ah... you were talking about Mason. NVM, bud. Me thoopid.

If you think Mason's best comparison is Antonio Daniels, you need your damn head checked.

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Ah... you were talking about Mason. NVM, bud. Me thoopid.

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Absolutely do not want a non dribbler like Ibaka on the team.

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Absolutely do not want a non dribbler like Ibaka on the team.

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Never thought centers need to be dribblers.

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If you think Mason's best comparison is Antonio Daniels, you need your damn head checked.

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Never mind. My apologies. I was responding to a post by MaNu4Tres saying that he preferred Frank Jackson to White as PG and confused Jackson with Mason . Mason is nothing like Jackson. He is a true PG, little like White though. Jackson is the combo guard with piss poor PG skills akin to Daniels I type when I should have typed.

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With the recent variables that got thrown into the equation with LA finally going to Stephen A to cry about how Pop made him worse, I imagine SA will target front court help this free agency period. Ibaka, Pat Patterson, Terrence Jones and D-Mo are names to watch. If they can get Ibaka to commit, I think LA is dumped to PHX for Chriss or MIA's 1st in 18 .. or maybe PHX has enough leverage in deal to get LA for free.

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Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.

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Never thought centers need to be dribblers.

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:lmao No shit.

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Never mind. My apologies. I was responding to a post by MaNu4Tres saying that he preferred Frank Jackson to White as PG and confused Jackson with Mason . Mason is nothing like Jackson. He is a true PG, nothining like White. Jackson is the combo guard with piss poor PG skills akin to Daniels I type when I should have typed Jackson.

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No worries, buddy. :bobo
I take back the shade I threw as well. :lol

Smarter more athletic Belinelli

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Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.

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All of those players probably perform better as a Spur, imo. They're better than Aldridge who doesn't want to be here. Not from a skills pov, but certainly from a chemistry pov.

I also like Ibaka. He has his flaws like anyone else, but he's become the perfect 4/5 in today's NBA. Shoots, defends, can switch, is athletic. I wouldn't mind him at all.

Thaddeus, admittedly, would be intriguing. Especially since his shot has seemingly started to come around finally.

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Never thought centers need to be dribblers.

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Didn't realize we were changing Ibaka position.

Ibaka can play the five.

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Originally Posted by objective

Jones, montiejunas are minimum garbage, with or without LMA. Jones couldn't even finish the year on a roster. I think they could be had even if LMA stays, like if Lee leaves they just take that minimum role.

Patterson might be trash as well, he played poorly for the raptors last year. I don't think I'd want him. He's like an MLE player getting ready to fade.

Ibaka is okay, a real ballhog though, he'll shoot instead of moving the ball way too often. I doubt he's any cheaper than LMA.

I'd wonder about a Brook Lopez for Aldridge straight up deal, and maybe a way to get Thaddeus Young.

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IMO Jones and Dmo are worth a small gamble ( like Dedmon was). I'm not saying they should be prioritized. Same w/ Patterson.

Spurs don't have much options to replace LA. Ibaka is probably the best they can realistically do. If SA is trading LA for salary ( player(s), the team he's going to isn't going to give up something better than LA.

One other option if SA whiffs in FA is to trade LA to POR for Ezeli, Harkless and pick.

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Originally Posted by Nathan89

Didn't realize we were changing Ibaka position.

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Watch more basketball lol.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Watch more basketball lol.

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So I can fall in love with Jordan Bell?

Ibaka would be a waste of money regardless of the position he plays for the Spurs. We need more playmaking. Not an overpaid big that relies on others. Worse is he has no skills to take advantage of a switching defense. A terrible addition to the Spurs.

Why is everybody assuming he's going to play PG? He's 6'5 with a long wingspan, good shooter, not that good of a playmaker, good defender, everything points to a 3&D SG.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

IMO Jones and Dmo are worth a small gamble ( like Dedmon was). I'm not saying they should be prioritized. Same w/ Patterson.

Spurs don't have much options to replace LA. Ibaka is probably the best they can realistically do. If SA is trading LA for salary ( player(s), the team he's going to isn't going to give up something better than LA.

One other option if SA whiffs in FA is to trade LA to POR for Ezeli, Harkless and pick.

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I doubt Portland wants him back, they had a few front office people talk on background about how they​ were relieved in a way when LMA left and they didn't have to baby him and put up with his crap anymore. They probably enjoy seeing him unhappy.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Greivis Vasquez is a pretty good comparison style and skillset wise, but White would have a ways to go to get there.

My problem with the pick is the PG position is the most saturated position across the league. If you need a back up serviceable PG, you can find one any off-season from multiple avenues. Especially one with a limited ceiling (like White). Murray I can understand because he has a rare skillset and has the tools that give him an All Star ceiling. I hate how they wasted the 29th pick on a PG that doesn't have the motor or athleticism to give him the type of ceiling you typically want with the 1st round pick.

Serviceable back up point guards are the easiest thing to find these days and Spurs just wasted their 1st on one that just has a ceiling of that. One may argue that he can shoot -- which he can, but even shooting is becoming saturated and not difficult to find. Plus, the already have Forbes. For those reasons, I'm disappointed with the pick. I wish they drafted a big or a wing with the pick. I personally think Frank Jackson was a better pick if they went point guard, and I also would have drafted Josh Hart, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, or Sterling Brown over White.

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... fact of the matter is everyone who was interested in this draft in this board had looked at a variety of bigs, from you, Chinook raybies objective etc. I expected a stash ... foolish of me bc Spurs almost trade LMA and tried to get in the lottery... but anyways since I didn't expect anybody I am glad at least they didn't stash and at least got someone who bc of his shooting and versatility offensively looks like he may help fill that Mills role better than Mills would do it without Ginobili since Mills is so unidimensional. That's important for the future.... maybe even for next season already.

I like Forbes as much as anyone who still hopes for him. I think with chemistry with others and as he learns to spring himself free for a shot his shooting hopefully trends up. But so far he's been a project and he really needs to shoot better to stick in the league. Of anyone in the team right now, he's the biggest question mark.. He's not any more athletic than this rookie and this guy looks more versatile. But truly I don't know. I doubt summer league even tells me much...

Anyways, I think it's very likely Danny is gone... Mills is gone, Tony is injured + doubtful when he does return, hanga can't shoot, blossomgame can't shoot, Simmons frankly is a dynamic player but shooting is a notable weakness, etc. Considering the state of their guards I understand it. They are in a kind of dire situation with guard scoring... does he give you a vibe like he could replace Marco's scoring? Bc him is who I thought of.

But they also need a lot more athletic bigs than they have, specially with Gasol?! I see your points. I am hoping Bell washes out lol.. not bc if you but bc of tricking GSW. I am hoping that foot injury, or whatever it was, doesn't help much his career... I know the hip injuries have stunted growth for their pick from UCLA I forgot his name....

Aside from this, you also had good points going back to last season about Spurs preferably needing to go with a more versatile and younger group, develop, etc... I would have preferred the Spurs to start this path of retooling and going younger sooner too. It's like they waited for Kawhis prime to arise and everyone else around him to fall apart physically b4 going younger... they weren't that proactive. I thought soon as TD retires they would go for a retooling/rebuilding, which should have been last season and now they are forced into it by LMA drama, Tony injury and Manu possible retirement. (Many guys here argued for that too).

At this point I am hoping they aim to fix the bigs situation through a trade or FA... which would explain all these young guards. Maybe CP3 is a misdirection and they are trying to add a different player or once LMA decided to quit in the team they had to set different priorities.

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Originally Posted by picnroll

Seriously, did you really ever see Daniels play?

Why do you think a rookie PG name Parker, who could pretty much only dribble the ball up the court and pass off to Duncan, beat Daniels out of the starting PG spot 5 games into his NBA career?

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Why?
Legit question...long b4 my time.

Larry Bird was a 23 yr old rookie, where do y'all think he'd of gone in this draft coming out as a 23 yr old rookie?

Note, Larry Bird is an all time great and in no way am I comparing White to Bird. I'm trying to see how much age matters with an all time great in these youth obsessed drafts.

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Originally Posted by objective

I've now watched all of the full games on YouTube I could find, though I did drift in and out of sleep during the second half of two of them. I've also watched I think what must be everything else there is, like every game highlight package from the official Colorado U channel.

I feel a little better about him for 2 reasons:

He really is a good enough shooter that Mills should be gone, and I like that. He can really deliver consistently on threes of every type. Off the dribble, dribble into pull-up, off screens, spot up, he has the size and shot to make it. I worry his lean back form might not work so well against NBA length, but it is what it is.

But if Mills is brought back then I don't see what the point was. I guess I'm more anti Mills returning than pro White.

Second, I am more hopeful about his body developing, even at his age, than has happened with Anderson. Anderson has a Mr. Burns body, and while he got a little more sturdy, he still remained embarrassingly slow which has hurt his NBA game. I always was annoyed with the Diaw comparisons; Diaw was an NBA athlete who played with pace, Anderson is a slow guy who plays slow.

Looking at White's frame, I can imagine a scenario where a lot of work on his body can result in a more useful top speed and better burst. Not by a lot, but years of training in the lamest gyms on d-ii campuses and the struggle of transferring and competing at a higher level I think leave him open to useful and meaningful improvement. He doesn't have a Mr. Burns body.

I'm still skeptical of much if his non shooting game translating, I saw a lot of problems at the rim despite the numbers, lazy turnovers even in crunch time, difficulty getting a step on college level players without a screen ...

Strength should help with a lot of that.

Still, the very obvious front court needs are getting even more glaring.

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One additional above average skill I think he has for his position is passing. Better that our current PG/SGs including at this point Murray who is still too wild, turnover prone. I think the Spurs will him an adequate defender, certainly better than Mills or Parker. He has good defensive instincts for positioning.

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

Man from the high getting drafted to the Lakers to the low they trading your ass to Utah. Lol

Watch Bradley develop into one of the league's best young centers now. :lol

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

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Thats probably why it took San Antonio a while to get the pick in. Plus in the post draft interview, RC didnt convey excitement as he usually does when SA gets the guy they wanted.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Watch Bradley develop into one of the league's best young centers now. :lol

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I thought Jazz pulling another Rudy Gobert move on the Spurs...

WEren't years ago the Spurs rumored to want to draft BAtum and him going just a couple of spots earlier to Portland.... seems like Spurs historically have not been willing to pay/or do a small trade to move a couple of spots up for a guy they like...

(except with Kiwi and that was not a small trade.. of the nature this one would have been)...

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I thought Jazz pulling another Rudy Gobert move on the Spurs...

WEren't years ago the Spurs rumored to want to draft BAtum and him going just a couple of spots earlier to Portland.... seems like Spurs historically have not been willing to pay/or do a small trade to move a couple of spots up for a guy they like...

(except with Kiwi and that was not a small trade.. of the nature this one would have been)...

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Back in the 2011 draft, Klay was the guy the Spurs wanted. Instead, they settled for Kawhi after the Warriors selected Klay. Turned out to be a lucky move after all.

Historically, PATFO have not been really proactive in getting guys from the draft. They usually sit pat and pick whoever is available. And when the good undrafted guys have been signed, they'll start looking at the scraps that are left.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Looks like he might not have even been SA's preferred choice.

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Thank you Jazz. I don't like that kids game at all. Very poor in pic n roll defense. Slow feet and no lift

For a guy with oodles of length he blocked the same # of shots per 40 as White

There's things to like about his game, good passing, plays within himself, great offensive rebounding ...

But I'm not that stressed about a guy whose minutes are hard capped by a great, young center for the rest of his career