We have Forbes, they don't, tbh :hat
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We have Forbes, they don't, tbh :hat
Someone posted this in the think tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Medical red flags didn’t prevent the Spurs from drafting Blair. Maybe they did fall in love with Derrick White.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurik
Still it’s kinda inexplicable. I still don’t think Bell would have gotten much run in the Spurs nor would he look as good as he does in GSW frankly. We all just have to look at Davis Bertans for someone with talent who is buried.
Think a combination of Bell's outward brashness and being a red flag medically did him in, in Spurs' eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Bell was going to be a fine role player anywhere. Bertans is behind Aldridge, Gay, Anderson and sometimes even Leonard, for PF minutes. Bell would have only been behind Gasol and Aldridge for C minutes. It would have taken all of about 2 minutes for them to come to the undeniable conclusion that he's clearly superior to Lauvergne.
That’s a good point about the position he would play.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I read an interview from RC where he said he had scouted Lauvergne extensively bc he had played In Partizan with Davis and obviously Tony knows him personally from team France. Chalk it up to Spurs for foreign legion scouting.
But a french poster here said that Joffery is basically a scrub and that his ceiling is pretty much an 8th or 9th man. The person said this during the preseason when Joffery was playing great. I thought he was being too harsh. It seems like he was correct. If I french poster on Spurstalk knew this from watching him play, how can the Spurs get it so wrong? Their scouting must suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
The scouting has been sucking ever since Sam Presti left the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
The Spurs found themselves in this situation after draft picks were squandered to appease Pop’s fetish for midgets. RC blowing his load on Patty and Pau didn’t help either.
With severe budget limitations, Parker could only address the team’s dire need for a big man by getting Joff. But it shouldn’t have come to this if PATFO bothered to do the job that they were paid for.
In a time in the NBA where it's a perimeter oriented game. They have refused to change the core of the back court in over 4 years now ( Tony/ Patty, Danny/ Manu). And it looks like they will lock up 75% of this core for another 2-3 years too.
This team won't be making any progress, unless this is changed. And I'm staring at Parker and Patty.
I like to see how great the Warriors FO will be 5-7 years from now when Curry,Durant,Klay are all way past their primes. Keep in mind that Myers didn't draft Curry and Klay. He's drafted Draymond,Barnes,Ezeli,Bell. He's very good at drafting role players but I like to see if he can pluck a star out of nowhere then I will be impressed. Warriors FO have been the recipients of a lot of good luck in landing Durant and Curry's cheap contract was a gift from god for the Warriors FO. Warriors also lucked out that Jerry West prevented Myers and Lacob from trading Klay for Kevin Love back in the summer of 2014. Had that trade gone down the Warriors would not have won the championship. I remember during the 90's when the bulls GM Krause was hailed as a genius for drafting Pippen,Grant,Armstrong,Kukoc, and making trades for Cartwright,Longley,Rodman along with signing FA's Kerr, and Ron Harper. Once the bulls broke up Krause had a series of bad drafts and trades that resulted in him getting canned. My point is we won't know how great the Warriors FO really is until they are forced to rebuild or in a situation that the Spurs were in from '08-'11 in which their core is way past their prime.
I'm more impressed with Boston's FO than I'm with the Warriors. Ainge and Stevens has done a masterful job in rebuilding the Celtics within a few years of losing Allen,Pierce,KG. They have drafted well, signed good FA's like Hortford, and have made good trades in getting Isiah from the Suns and then eventually flipping him for Kyrie along with stocking up on draft picks. If you want to compare the Spurs FO compared them to the Celtics FO. I feel Boston's FO's success has been more strategic and less to do with luck and fluky situations unlike the Warriors.
Plus the instant cap increase from the cable deal the NBA signed. It allowed them to get Durant and also keep Livingston and Perhaps Iggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Warriors FO blows the Spurs FO out of the water. It’s not even close right now.
Bell is 5th in the league at defending shots at the rim, that's good front office work at an insanely cheap price.
Bad front office work?
Joffrey Lauvergne.
Do you really think Bell would have changed a lot’of Things for the Spurs this year ?Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
The warriors made a steal with him in the second round but he’s a good rookie/ role player in a very good team but that’s it now.
Yes, Bell would be making an impact. He's an impact player who makes plays, possession winning plays and possession affecting plays. Even as a rookie. The rest of roster is such trash at the big spots that he would have been given chances and would have forced his way into minutes. Even without being a shooter, he's a positive difference maker and would be that for the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2150
Joffrey is such trash that he's the only legit big on the bench and still routinely doesn't get off the bench.
Bell just had 4 blocks against the Grizzlies. Joffrey STILL has ZERO blocks as a Spur and Bull. He's a negative impact player. Bell already has more career blocks. And is tied for career steals already.
Joffrey is just plain bad. And shows the difference in the front offices. Joffrey is a scrub who was on his way back to Europe before the Spurs got him. The Spurs needed a reserve big, desperately. They were losing an offensive big in Lee and a defensive big in Dedmon, and with Joffrey got a much worse defender than both and a much worse offensive player than both. It was a massive failure.
The Warriors didn't NEED to get a backup big. They still had McGee and were bringing back Zaza and West and had a young guy with Looney. They had no first round pick.
But they went and got him. And he would be the third best big on the Spurs, easily.
Could have spent the money to buy the second rounder, if they added their own second on top to swap the Bulls choose the Spurs. It's not like old Blossomgame is doing anything for them.
Could have drafted Bell over the slow 23 year old combo guard they took when they were desperate to sign bloated Mills and play Forbes anyway.
I’m ok about joeffrey but you overrate Bell imo. I would like To have Bell, really but for me he would not have changed a lot this spurs team. Off course we need some rim protection but imo Bell would have been a liability on offense.
And for white, he was not a need but i’m sure he’s better than forbes... we’ll if he’s that bad in 2-3 years.
Liability on O?Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2150
You don't understand basketball. It's as simple as that.
Athletic divers at the 5 spot, that can pass like Bell help out the O significantly without needing to be a shooter. The pressure he puts on the rim when rolling opens up the weakside shooters as the weakside defenders have to rotate over towards the paint. Bells passing ability out of the roll makes him even more valuable in PnRs. He's also great at reading, passing out of all DHO options.
If you think he's a liability on O because he can't shoot, you don't know or don't watch basketball enough.
A liability for the Spurs, you saw dedmon last year.
And i watch basket-ball and some Warriors game, ok he can pass the ball, but for me he's a good role player, active, who can protect the rim... Better Than What We have on the bench but i'm not as high as you about him.
And Playing with the Warriors make him Better like mc caw.... It's easier To play with such a team but i repeat, i Would like To have him with the team.
Bell is averaging 13/10/5 as well as 3 blocks and 2 steals Per36. Dude will be a stud.
As per usual though, retards will give Drunkford another pass for fumbling the draft despite there being tons of talent there at 29....
Derrick White will join the ranks of Livio, Milutinov, James Anderson, Oseph, Murray, and Fathead. Thank god the Raptors took Valenciunas in 2011 or he would've been our franchise player over Kawhi. (According to Woj) :lol
Who cares. He has a Spurs soul. :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
Old one-dimensional scrub looking to get a fat paycheck from PATFO?Quote:
Originally Posted by UZER
Specially when Bell was there available with their 29th pick for free. Many posters here wanted him.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Agreed he's a good role player in the Warriors system. He's high energy hustle type of player but I don't see him every being a star in this league like a lot of people making him out to be on this board. Javale McGee put up similar numbers as him last year for the Warriors. It just goes to show you how the Warrior's system is ideal for athletic bigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2150
On a side note I can't wait to see this board's reaction when the Warriors draft Umar Jackson.
I don't think Bell is being overrated. I don't think he'll be an all-star. He's a rotation big, and on a super loaded team he can get away with being a spot starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2150
But he IS a legit role player who deserves NBA minutes as a role player, hustle player, defender, difference maker.
Compare him to Joffrey. Joffrey belongs in Europe. I wasn't sold on Joffrey in the summer, but didn't kill the signing because I hadn't watched him enough and was desperate for him to be good, because they needed him to work out. He hasn't.
Role playing hustle big > scrub big. Joffrey plays defense like a 6-10 Marco. Here is a marginally effective offensive rebounder and finisher around the rim who is unfortunately a chucker. He can't defend like Dedmon. Can't space vertically like Dedmon. Can't run the floor like Dedmon. Can't roll and finish like Lee. Can't shoot look Lee. Doesn't rotate like Lee.
Regarding White, I like him better than Forbes. But Pop has enough bodies at the guard spot to fart around with to keep him in Austin. With Bell, there is so little that could block his path to minutes that I can't imagine he wouldn't be playing. Blair defended like a clown with nba bigs in front of him, but even he worked into minutes. Because when he was young and in shape he made plays and an impact.