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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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RandomGuy
RG, imho, ducks' Obamacare blurb is correct. 100% of 10.3 million is 10.3 million. 23 million - 10.3 million = 12.7 million. 12.7 million > 10.3 million. ACA's estimate was off by more than 100% (of what eventually happened) - this last bit in parentheses is what should be assumed/understood.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
You specifaccly left that part out. Why?
Why don't you cherry pick a different portion and ask why I left that out too.
If you can explain how "relating to the national defense" is dependent on that completely different sentence then great.
Bottomline is that SCOTUS addressed the espionage act and that subset and declared that intent is required for sanctions. Deal with it.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
Greta just took the pickle over at MSNBC. Not confrontational enough. & I have to admit, anytime I sent it over there and found her I just went back to CNN.
[[[As evidenced by Coale's comments, it appears that the news arrived abruptly on Thursday even for Van Susteren herself. A friend of Van Susteren's told CNNmoney that she was given no prior notice of the decision.
The same source said that Van Susteren was informed that she had not been confrontational enough in her on-air presentation, perhaps a suggestion that MSNBC is once again embracing its liberal roots and adopting a more adversarial posture toward President Donald Trump.]]]
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/medi...out/index.html
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
TSA... the point is,
1 - you keep bringing up subsection F which does not require specific intent, only gross negligence.
2 - in comey's address, he agrees that it was proper to look at that subsection (he doesn't recite the statute code, but he says "either intentionally or a grossly negligent way"). so he's on the same page that 793(F) is appropriate
3 - comey said they were extremely careless, and gave examples to show it
4 - however, he did not recommend charges
the disconnect in my eyes is that you are equating the extremely careless comment with the legal standard of gross negligence. they sound similar-ish, and i'm sure some dictionaries will equate them. but the legal standard is defined through case law and precedent, not by websters dictionary. to get a good answer to the question, you'd have to have somebody dive through a bunch of appellate level decisions relating to gross negligence under the espionage act or other similar statutes with a gross negligence quality. comey said they looked into past cases and could not come across case with this set of facts that was prosecuted
1. We disagree on what constitutes gross negligence
2. The servers were set up intentionally. There are emails of Clinton instructing to scrub classified headers and send insecure. There was both intent and gross negligence.
3. Agreed, and just disagree to what extent.
4. It's not Comey's job to recommend charges
We haven't even gotten into Comey testifying about DOJ pressure during the investigation or the fact that 5 key witnesses were granted immunity and no evidence was subpoenaed, and witness laptops were purposely deby the FBI. :lol
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
FuzzyLumpkins
Why don't you cherry pick a different portion and ask why I left that out too.
If you can explain how "relating to the national defense" is dependent on that completely different sentence then great.
Bottomline is that SCOTUS addressed the espionage act and that subset and declared that intent is required for sanctions. Deal with it.
you specifically left out the portion immediately following "or"
"that they are to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation"
Why did you leave that part out?
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
1. We disagree on what constitutes gross negligence
2. The servers were set up intentionally. There are emails of Clinton instructing to scrub classified headers and send insecure. There was both intent and gross negligence.
3. Agreed, and just disagree to what extent.
4. It's not Comey's job to recommend charges
We haven't even gotten into Comey testifying about DOJ pressure during the investigation or the fact that 5 key witnesses were granted immunity and no evidence was subpoenaed, and witness laptops were purposely deby the FBI. :lol
our agreement on gross negligence is immaterial. it's a legal standard, not a standard of public opinion
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
1. We disagree on what constitutes gross negligence
2. The servers were set up intentionally. There are emails of Clinton instructing to scrub classified headers and send insecure. There was both intent and gross negligence.
3. Agreed, and just disagree to what extent.
4. It's not Comey's job to recommend charges
We haven't even gotten into Comey testifying about DOJ pressure during the investigation or the fact that 5 key witnesses were granted immunity and no evidence was subpoenaed, and witness laptops were purposely deby the FBI. :lol
comey testified that the DOJ has never influenced an investigation. he said he was troubled by lynch's request/order to refer to it as a matter instead of investigation. he never said the investigation itself was hampered or influenced in any way by the DOJ
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
you specifically left out the portion immediately following "or"
"that they are to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation"
Why did you leave that part out?
Do we really need to have a grammar lesson and discuss the difference between subject and predicate? intent is in the subject and applies to all portions of the predicate including the omitted part. Again if you want to point out how the omission makes a difference than have at it but all I get out of this is that your reading skills are poor.
I get that you are grasping at straws and this is the best you can do but ffs your stupidity is tiresome.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
FuzzyLumpkins
Do we really need to have a grammar lesson and discuss the difference between subject and predicate? intent is in the subject and applies to all portions of the predicate including the omitted part. Again if you want to point out how the omission makes a difference than have at it but all I get out of this is that your reading skills are poor.
I get that you are grasping at straws and this is the best you can do but ffs you're stupidity is tiresome.
I'm trying to figure out why you left it out and now why you won't answer a simple question.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
comey testified that the DOJ has never influenced an investigation. he said he was troubled by lynch's request/order to refer to it as a matter instead of investigation. he never said the investigation itself was hampered or influenced in any way by the DOJ
Tarmac meeting
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
I'm trying to figure out why you left it out and now why you won't answer a simple question.
Cause the formatting in case law is wonky.
Do you acknowledge that SCOTUS stated that to prosecute under the Espionage Act that proof of intent for bad faith is required?
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
TSA
Tarmac meeting
was comey on the tarmac?
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
was comey on the tarmac?
Didn't need to be and was still influenced
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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TSA
Didn't need to be and was still influenced
you dont know that
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
and with all this put together, why isn't sessions pressing charges? he's not bound by comey's recommendation
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
and with all this put together, why isn't sessions pressing charges? he's not bound by comey's recommendation
This where TSA turn into Rolfileo.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
tsa = trumps semen averter
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
The Special Counsel alone could go many different directions.
Open the flood gates on all sorts of mundane financial crimes.
Thanks for your cooperation Team Trump, why don't you just ask next time you want every possible footstep looked into.
"Please just end it Mr. Comey"
Ok.
Release the Kraken.
You like lawyers and lawsuits, feast on this...
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
TSA cries about a simple question not being answered and then ignores one in turn. He has no idea what honor even is.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
pgardn
The Special Counsel alone could go many different directions.
Open the flood gates on all sorts of mundane financial crimes.
Thanks for your cooperation Team Trump, why don't you just ask next time you want every possible footstep looked into.
"Please just end it Mr. Comey"
Ok.
Release the Kraken.
You like lawyers and lawsuits, feast on this...
Yeah, firing Comey was a major fuck up. All because Comey wouldn't publicly announce Trump wasn't under investigation.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
Yeah, firing Comey was a major fuck up. All because Comey wouldn't publicly announce Trump wasn't under investigation.
The intransigence Team Trump illustrated was stupidity.
I guess when one is so used to steam rolling people in private business...
Welcome to democracy. When will Trump accept the concept. He could have got a whole lot done by now. Idiot gets everything tied up in court. Overstepping constantly. No subtle abilities. Seems he really does wanna be like Putin. Although Trump is fully challenging Putin in Syria in ways Obama would not have touched. Who knows if this is a good approach or not. Based on the recklessness so far it may be trouble.
He won the election. It's done. Get over it and get to work.
Everyone. Please.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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pgardn
The intransigence Team Trump illustrated was stupidity.
I guess when one is so used to steam rolling people in private business...
Welcome to democracy. When will Trump accept the concept. He could have got a whole lot done by now. Idiot gets everything tied up in court. Overstepping constantly. No subtle abilities. Seems he really does wanna be like Putin. Although Trump is fully challenging Putin in Syria in ways Obama would not have touched. Who knows if this is a good approach or not. Based on the recklessness so far it may be trouble.
He won the election. It's done. Get over it and get to work.
Everyone. Please.
Doesn't help when he focuses his attention on attacking specific media personalities. What a waste of time. If he really wants to make America better, he should resign.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
pgardn
The intransigence Team Trump illustrated was stupidity.
I guess when one is so used to steam rolling people in private business...
Welcome to democracy. When will Trump accept the concept. He could have got a whole lot done by now. Idiot gets everything tied up in court. Overstepping constantly. No subtle abilities. Seems he really does wanna be like Putin. Although Trump is fully challenging Putin in Syria in ways Obama would not have touched. Who knows if this is a good approach or not. Based on the recklessness so far it may be trouble.
He won the election. It's done. Get over it and get to work.
Everyone. Please.
Trump president, not Clinton.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
Trump president, not Clinton.
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Re: Russia probe pile-on: No fewer than 9 teams investigating collusion, meddling
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