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Thank you for your service to our great country (which has never not been great), Senator McCain.
You courageously served our country in the military.
You didn't vote for Donald Trump.
You totally humiliated the Trump administration and the GOP leadership in Congress.
And you did the latter while fighting the good fight against cancer.
You are a hero!!!
Lol first cheering for neocon Shillary and now Mcneocon
Democrats are in such a sad state its not even funny anymore
grandstanding McLiar stood on the shoulders of two women who made the difference, not McLiar.
Cheering for Hillary? You're delusional. I've stated many times I don't like Hillary. I was even willing to give Trump a chance but that guy has been a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Fool, what's the vote count if McCain votes "yes"? Huh, stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
He's getting all the credit but there were two old ladies that made Trump their bitches too.
What an embarrassment.
trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Reck
Here's the play-by-play breakdown with slomo:
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For all those who believe John McCain is a hero, or even a patriot: “Songbird” McCain is no hero! Trump was right!
John McCain is a career parasite. He is not a hero. He was shot down in Vietnam because he violated orders and was hotdogging at low altitude over Hanoi and the North Vietnamese shot him down.
His mangled shoulders that he claims came from torture by his North Vietnamese captors? Not so much. According to those who spent time at the Hanoi Hilton will attest, McCain was never tortured during his time in North Vietnam. In fact he was given special privileges and special treatment because he freely gave the North Vietnamese all the information they asked for whenever they asked for it, which is why the commander and staff at the Hanoi Hilton called him “Songbird.” He also made 30 propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese. Hero, I don't think so!
In reality, Songbird McCain injured both of his shoulders because he violated Navy SOP when he ejected from his dying aircraft, breaking both shoulders in the process.
From a Powdered Wig article a year ago, citing Veterans Today, there was a list of “33 POWs (who) faced execution for treason after Vietnam until Nixon pardoned all POWs. McCain was on the list of the 33, in fact at the head of it.”
That’s the kind of hero Songbird McCain was then and that’s the kind of hero Songbird McCain is today."
Prior to being a "songbird"...
"John McCain, fighter pilot aboard the USS Forrestal carrier, was inadvertently but recklessly responsible for the devastating fire aboard that ship in 1967. According to witnesses, McCain was waiting to taxi into the launch and was in front of another fighter jet. During this time, he pulled a sophomoric trick called a "wet start" which is to blow flame through the exhaust. This trick set off a missile on the plane behind him, igniting an explosion and fire. McCain then abandoned his plane in panic, and in the process dropped two of his own unexploded bombs on the deck. These bombs were caught in the ensuing blaze and exploded, igniting an inferno that eventually killed 134 crewmen. McCain, was immediately sequestered and kept from an enraged and vigilante crew who knew what he'd done. Calls were made to his father, a Navy admiral. Shortly after the fire was extinguished McCain was secretly hustled to an arriving helicopter and removed from the plane. No charges were brought against him, and the official story of the fire did not identify him or his actions as the cause of the catastrophe.
McCain, who finished 394th out of a class of 399 at the Naval Academy, but who was the wealthy son of an active admiral, had been ushered into flight school despite his poor and disqualifying academic credentials. Much like his academic record, he was a poor student pilot and was not considered a "top gun" by his peers, though he learned to fly. In his brief career as a lackluster pilot before being downed and captured, he had destroyed airplanes on 4 previous events and was considered by his peers to be incompetent.
So you bleeding hearts; do your homeowrk before considering someone a "hero" ...... he's a freaking traitor, that's all he is!!!!!!!!!!!!
fool, what's the vote count if the two ladies vote "yes", huh, stupid? (corrected :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
He's just fortunate he's dying. Or, you'd a got killed last nite.
boutons, you're not thinking clearly - they did vote "no." If McCain voted "yes," the skinny repeal passes. You must need to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Yes it was females that made the differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Males are just stupid especilly white ones according to you
News for you sanders male and white
USA! USA! USA!
He voted no. Be honest. You'd have taken his life if you had the opportunity before last night, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
I know he voted no - I was just pointing out an error that boutons has since corrected. You are mistaken if you think that I would take someone's life - even that of that not thinking about the people in his state with over 100% premium increases Senator. I know what this law does to small businesses in particular so while some of you liberals are celebrating, think about the people who have no choice but to buy this overpriced, expensive health insurance (that's if it's offered in their county) and if these premium rises continue at this rate, those who will not be able to afford it and drop. I know it's easy to forget about them when you have good employer-sponsored insurance or free government insurance as I do but I do not forget when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance. And remember small businesses are the life blood of the country - that's the way so many before us achieved the American dream and provided jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
this woman saved millions of americans lives with her bravery and steadfastness. its rare to see a politician who puts her country first these days!
It still beats the shitty skinny repeal which would have kicked off about 16 million people off healthcare and would increase premiums by 20% every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
If healthy young people leave, the older, sicker people would have to front the full amount of money. For a party that counts on old people to vote for them in every election, they sure would have fucked them over with this plan.
The people would have suffered the most was their own base.
"when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance."
Medicare for all totally unloads that burden from ALL businesses.
All the companies do is forward a slice of paycheck for Medicare health insurance to the Feds, just like they do know for withholding income tax, SS, workers comp, Medicare.
BigInsurance and their capitalist shareholders have totally fucked up America, one of many ways the oligarchy fucks up America for profit.
she did not put her country firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Trill Clinton
she put her pockets first
She's a shit. I wish McCain would give her a piece of his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
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Originally Posted by hater
You act like all dem's who voted for Hillary were rampant supporters of her. She was flawed big time and most people I know just voted for her to keep Trump out. I wasn't fired up running to the polls.
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Originally Posted by Trill Clinton
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Originally Posted by Trill Clinton
He's a true American hero for what he did tbh
Please. He's a dying man making the graveyard walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronY
:lol fellating a guy that'd vote for war with Russia in an instance
I only voted for her because of Ryan and McConnell.Quote:
Originally Posted by florige
Isn't that just like you choosing a fat slob draft dodger and devout pussy over an American hero like McCain. sad cubby sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread
No that was CapitoQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
in what instance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
And to think all the shit you gave Ali about dodging the draft and now you're a Trump supporter smh
What % of our paycheck do you think it would take to cover the ongoing health care of every single person (I'm assuming you want to cover illegals too) in America when we contribute our entire working life (before age 65) to Medicare and SS, only use them after age 65 and the programs are still unsustainable? A very high % that Americans would be unwilling to pay, I'd guess - as evidenced by Vermont and Colorado.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Your little equation isn't quite fit until you take into account your employer's total cost to employ you. Let's just say you make $100k per year. It's going to cost your employer $125k to $140k to employ you. Now take out what you, the employee, pays toward healthcare. What you're asking is, how much additional would the employee be willing to pay for single payer healthcare.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Saving 16 million people from losing insurance is putting her country 1st. Not sure how it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
That was. Not going to be final bill
Yes it was. The house was going to pass it once the conference committee went nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
:lol fellating a guy that felates putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
"muh Russias even tho he's signing Russian sanctions" :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by clambake
:lmao like he has a fucking choice. Got cucked by his own party :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
"he's got no choice, demokratz got a gun 2 his head" :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
He can refuse just like Obama refused to sign a ocare repeal. No Russian collusion with #45, unlike certain Senate members and 2 time presidential nominees
It passed both houses with veto proof majorities unlike the first 60 Obamacare repeals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by clambake
Not a draft dodger tho...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread
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Had that stood, Trump would have been drafted.
But Trump had a physical exam in September 1968. He had taken one less than two years earlier that did not disqualify him for service as we can tell from his 1-A classification in July 1968. However, his second physical was followed in October with a new classification, 1-Y. That designation put him near the bottom of any call-up list. It meant he would only be drafted if there were a national emergency.
Until recently, the only detail on record about that shift was it was medically related. After his comments about McCain, Trump said it had to do with bone spurs in his heels. Trump reportedly was active in college sports, playing baseball, tennis and squash.
Do you just not understand how this works?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Clearly he doesn't. People who don't understand the basic rules of government should be banned from participating in the political forum. TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by monosylab1k
Are you saying that it costs $25-40k just to insure me? I and all the government employees around me pay nothing for our health insurance. We are also offered a better plan with more bells and whistles that we have to contribute for but unless one expects to use a lot of healthcare, usually they pass on the Cadillac version. And remember all workers are not just paying for themselves but for all the unemployed, illegals, children, etc. And the low-income workers are going to pay the same % taxed on the very first dollar as SS & Medicare are? Sounds like the poor will rebel because now they pay nothing and get Medicaid if they're in an expansion state - right? Single payer replaces ACA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
I gotta say I love the fact that you're a government employee. You whine incessantly about the teat that feeds you :lol Federal or state?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
So just make everyone in the country pay nothing for health insurance. That way it won't cost anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
Meh, just wait until you're really sick. Then get Obamacare. Pre-existing condition? No problemo.
Kind of like getting into an accident, then getting collision coverage.
Joltin Joe Biden "got to" McLiar and made an impassioned plea for "no"
County - just started a month ago. Well, I'm not sure how well that teat feeds me as I had to restart at the bottom of the pay scale (so I earned more 22 years ago than I do now :-) but it will add years to my pension calculation. However, I am grateful for the job since I haven't had a "real" job for over 2 decades. Thank God for old friends who go to bat for me after so long and for legacy COBOL code that still needs to be maintained. And I'm not really doing it for the money but to keep my brain active (worried about memory loss from diabetes) and to be around people since ds is at school all day long. Believe me, they're getting their money's worth - not many mainframe programmers around and certainly not any willing to work for this pittance. But as I tell my kids - it's all about attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
:lmao how do you feel about affirmative action, and the fact that you only have this job because of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Fuck McCain, Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama. Fuck paying $20k/year for garbage insurance. Fuck ACA. Fuck Trumpcare. No small business's can afford good health insurance, Every self employed around here sends the spouse to a govt funded job for health insurance.
Everyone knows govt. pays well above private business's with rediculous benefits.
I disagree with affirmative action, and I don't have this job because of it. I have this job because I have 12 years experience on this same team and my 2 references are from supervisors who I worked with who are still on this team. It's nice to have friends in the right places and weird to see my initials/name in decades-old programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
Republicans like you could have fixed that in the last seven years.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
You prefer idle bitching.
Unfortunately, that is so true. Everyone here is sitting on a golden retirement - most collecting pension (calculated with overtime, sick and vacation included) and salary (for 5 years) in the DROP program. And people think single payer will be less expensive/more efficient than private - LOL when they have to pay the pensions for the massive number of people to administer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
:lmao don't you claim to be a Jamaican gook woman? Sure, like they didn't think about how many boxes could be checked off by you being hired. But go ahead, tell yourself it's all because of how likeable you are :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by rmt
I'm not black. I'm Asian - which I don't think qualifies for affirmative action. If anything, there are a disproportionate number of Asians here (compared to % of population).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Jong-il
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
Let that fucker die of natural causes. It was a bad idea with zero GOP support.
Where they failed was not having a better alternative. You can insure all the uninsured and sick, but someone's tax bill must go up. You can tax the richest, but there's not enough of them.
Or anything other than idle bitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Just tax the richest Americans
Gates
Bezos
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Ellison
Bloomberg
Koch
Koch
Paige
Brin
There's no good alternative, tbh, unless you just raise taxes on the half of the country that pays taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlov
The idea of insuring all the uninsured and sick sounds great but nobody wants to pay that much - as seen in Vermont and Colorado.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
i thought soros owned the world tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
It's going to happen sooner or later. It'll just replace the stupid shell game we have going now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
How were Vermont and Colorado dealing with employers mandatory federal taxes for healthcare? Were they having to pay in addition to the proposed state programs?Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
It is but not sure of your age but pensions are like social security, anyone under the age of 35-45 knows damn well their not going to be paid. I feel like Tyler Durden (ironic since the whole ZeroHedge thing) but the only out is to blow it all up and start over. Single payer would help the fucked become the unfucked and the unfucked become the fucked. Even things out. People are dieing because of the current setup but everyone complains about the ones that will die.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Wait. You don't actually believe the generation that believes student loans should be forgiven will actually honor unpayable pensions, veteran benefits from BS "wars on freedom", and social security do you?
Here i thought you were the troll.
state-wide insurance pools in low-population states are tool smallQuote:
Originally Posted by rmt
although a smart high-population state, blue of course, like CA might work, but Brown, etc are owned by BigInsurance
the oligarchy pays politicians for protection
I think they were expecting to be exempt from it (through a waiver) - probably along with the individual mandate penalties. But on the other side, CA's single payer bill expected the Medicaid funds from the Feds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Th'Pusher
Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees
"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Labor
I'm in my mid-fifties so I'm pretty sure of my pension (surer than SS for sure) and Florida is in pretty good shape as far as their state retirement system. It's not gonna be much as I only have 12 years but anything is better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees
"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Labor
McCain Is Too Unwell to Take Big Decisions, Like Voting
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccain-to...160908174.html
if you know so Much run for officeQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
:lol you're allegedly a Jamaican Asian female. You'd be delusional if you think that demographic doesn't meet any affirmative action quotas.Quote:
Originally Posted by rmt
Not all too much on top of this, but what makes you say I won't get my pension? I have a 401k through my company and a pension(full ride after 30 years)Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Anyone who can annihilate the entire GOP on live C-Span while sparing two old ladies knows how to take big decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
All the fatfucks, diabetes having lazy people get govt jobs (or do they get that way after they get the jobs?) And the pool gets fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
When I firststarted shopping term life insurance ten years ago the ny met guy trigger pushing whole life policies. He tried reassuring me about the longevity of said policies becauseof ny life past history. The whole too big to fail deal. I've lost some equity on co-ops in the past going bankrupt and I've had deals with the govt fall through after they reneged. I've learned a bird in the hand is worth twoin the Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMexican
How do you reassure a 37 yr old weekend they say the govt will pay them social security? I've told my you'd kids that there will be a time to sell their assets and move to another country, I don't know when that is but your a fool if you think this house of cards is to stand for another50 years. You do realize how messed up this country already is to elect Trump, don't you?
Govt jobs are always the best in communist or socialist scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Why is it that cost of living wage increases under govt jobs ALWAYS far exceed real world increases?
Is this a joke? Because you're making sense and it seems bizarre and off-puttingQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Poor ducks
It sounds like we're the wetbacks in fifty years in your scenario, so what makes you think other countries are going to want Americans?Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
Pretty shallow minded of you to a assume they'd want us tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
And optimistic to think50 years.
But you're telling your kids to leave America. If we're Mexico by then why would anyone want them? What if Canada builds a wall?Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
And don't let Apple operate at all in the states till they pay their fair share too. Must be nice to be the biggest profiteers of slavery and pay less in taxes than most of the people who cant afford their products, but still manage somehow.
In most cases, I would consider this outrageous, but after having endured her posts, I agree 100% with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnerific
Maybe as a female in some CS or engineering school/program or perhaps the military - but so would 53?% of the population. Jamaican or Asian gets me nothing - Asian is a strike against - particularly in college admissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will Hunting
Again, who says we will be wanted? You seem to not understand that point. Theonly reason that Americans are welcomed into countries already is because of the money that they will spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
It's true, I'm not understanding your point when you're telling your kids to move out of the country when the shit supposedly hits the fan. Why is any first world country willing to take your kids in as America burns in your scenario? You think anyone is going to give a damn about American refugees after all the shit we have started since the 1950s?Quote:
Originally Posted by sickdsm
The Sanctimony and Sin of G.O.P. ‘Moderates’
McCain has been a crucial enabler of the Senate’s shame — and a world-class hypocrite to boot. On Tuesday,
he cast the decisive vote allowing this whole process to proceed, with no Democratic votes.
Then he gave a sanctimonious speech denouncing partisanship and divisiveness, and declared that while he voted to allow debate to begin, he would never vote for the existing Senate bill without major changes.
And later that day, he voted for that very bill, even though, you guessed it, it hadn’t changed in any significant way.
But none of what is happening right now would be possible without the acquiescence of politicians who pretend to be open-minded, decry partisanship, tut-tut about incivility and act as enablers for the extremists again and again.
I started with McCain because so many journalists still fall for his pose as an independent-minded maverick, ignoring the reality that he has almost always been a reliable partisan yes-man whenever it matters.
Incredibly, some commentators actually praised his performance earlier this week,focusing on his noble-sounding words and ignoring his utterly craven actions. Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — whose state has benefited enormously from the Affordable Care Act. “I didn’t come here to hurt people,” she declared not long ago — then voted for a bill that would quadruple the number of uninsured in West Virginia.
Rob Portman of Ohio, who cultivates an image as a moderate, praises Medicaid and talked big about the defects of Republican health plans — but also voted for that bill. Hey, in Ohio the number of uninsured would only triple.
Dean Heller of Nevada, who has lauded his state’s federally financed Medicaid expansion, but voted along with McCain to let debate proceed on an unknown bill, very much putting that expansion at risk.
credit is due: two senators, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, have stood up against the effort to betray every promise Republicans have made
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/opinion/columnists/trumpcare-republican-moderates.html
Um, that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered. The repeal is likely dead until October because McCain got that reconciliation bill to an actual vote and then killed it. McConnell can't bring repeal back into a reconciliation bill this fiscal year unless he folds it into the tax bill or the debt ceiling bill the senate will be working on the next couple of weeks and in September. If McCain came out as a staunch no the entire way like Collins and Murkowski we wouldn't have seen McConnell bring the skinny repeal up for a vote and the senate would be working on a repeal all the way to the recess. So McCain's vote to proceed but vote against the real bill ensured either he gets the bipartisan bill he argued for (doubtful) or we don't see a vote on a reconciliation bill to repeal for more than two months. I don't figure he did it save anyone's healthcare, but instead so the senate could get on top of the defense bill that is his main priority. And I wonder if he bought off votes from Shumer, Feinstein, and the Dems he was laughing with before casting his vote to make sure that one gets to 60. Also I'm guessing he wanted to move on to tax cuts and making sure the government doesn't default instead of letting Trump force them to keep going on a healthcare bill they would have a hard time sorting out quickly when they're up against a late September deadline on their three main priorities (repeal, taxes, debt ceiling).Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
McCain wiped the floor with Trump's ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread
dj, finally talking to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
tee, hee.
And Trump knows it. Look at his twitter tirade this weekend. Dude is going off the rails right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by djohn2oo8
Please. McCain is dying & is dealing. "Here, God, I'll give everyone health care...that will erase all my war mongering. Deal?"Quote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
- "+ tell me what C was like early on."
- "Deal. She was choice, G,,,hair of gold & lips like cherries,,,"
"that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered"
unlike the ladies who voted to block it going to a vote, he voted YES for the vote, then voted NO in the vote. grandstanding bullshit hypocrit.
wandering with a uncovered bloody surgical scab, what a grandstanding ham.