Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer from Democrats
:lmao the "master negotiator" just got kicked in the junk, his lunch money taken from him, watched while John Lewis cucked Melania, and said "more please in December"
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Trump sides with Democrats in debt limit, funding, Harvey deal
The agreement sets up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff.
By RACHAEL BADE, BURGESS EVERETT and JOSH DAWSEY 09/06/2017 09:52 AM EDT Updated 09/06/2017 03:49 PM EDT
Donald Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer Democrats put on the table.
Republicans left the Oval Office Wednesday stunned. Trump had quickly sided with Democrats on a short-term debt ceiling increase, even cutting off his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to concur with "Chuck and Nancy," as he later called them on Air Force One.
But Trump defied more than his top aides. He turned on Republican leaders in Congress when he caved to Democrats’ demands to raise the debt limit and fund the government for three months, setting up a brutal year-end fiscal cliff. The move shocked everyone, as top White House officials and GOP leaders had been gearing up to raise the debt ceiling through the 2018 midterm election, looking to pass legislation as soon as Friday.
But even after Mnuchin, Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushed back on the Democratic demands in the meeting, Trump agreed to the three-month deal that will also head off the possibility of a government shutdown until mid-December.
During the meeting, Ryan sharply criticized the Democratic proposal, a source familiar with the exchange said. But Schumer reminded him that Ryan had supported short-term increases in the past intended to help create bipartisan deals in 2013.
So after Democrats rejected GOP proposals to raise the debt ceiling for 18 months, and then six months — Trump endorsed Schumer’s three-month pitch.
That means Congress will have to raise the debt ceiling, negotiate a massive trillion-dollar spending bill, and potentially hash out a deal on immigration all at once.
Democrats were gleeful.
"Both sides have every intention of avoiding default in December and look forward to working together on the many issues before us," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
Trump also touted his actions on Air Force One en route to North Dakota for an event on tax reform.
"We essentially came to a deal and I think the deal will be very good," Trump said.
Capitol Hill Republicans, loath to vote twice to raise the debt ceiling, were less than pleased. They said privately that Trump caved too quickly, relinquishing the GOP’s leverage. And they worried that Trump would do the same in future deals.
"I think our members would probably want to see something that goes significantly longer than that," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 3 GOP leader, when asked about the short-term debt limit proposal.
One senior Republican aide spoke more bluntly on background: “The president of the United States just handed a loaded gun to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.”
The meeting came after congressional Democrats turned the screws on the president and GOP leaders, who need Democratic votes to raise the debt limit and avert a default.
Democratic leaders said Wednesday morning that they'd offer Trump their votes for a package delivering aid to victims of Hurricane Harvey and raising the debt ceiling only until mid-December. GOP leaders, eager to avoid multiple contentious votes on the debt ceiling, want to raise the debt ceiling through late 2018.
“Given Republican difficulty in finding the votes for their plan, we believe this proposal offers a bipartisan path forward to ensure prompt delivery of Harvey aid as well as avoiding a default, while both sides work together to address government funding, DREAMers, and health care,” Schumer and Pelosi said in a joint statement.
The move by congressional Democrats was intended to preserve their leverage later this year on other issues, even though in the past, Democrats, including both Schumer and Pelosi, have said the debt ceiling should not be a topic of negotiation. But Democratic leaders were emboldened because Republicans needed significant Democratic support on the spending and debt legislation, which is expected to split congressional Republicans.
Indeed, significant numbers of Republican defections were expected on the legislation, and debt ceiling votes typically draw opposition from conservatives who demand spending cuts in return.
During a Wednesday morning press conference Speaker Paul Ryan blasted Democrats’ opening salvo as “ridiculous and disgraceful,” accusing them of playing politics “at a moment when we have fellow citizens in need.”
“Let's think about this: We’ve got all this devastation in Texas. We’ve got another unprecedented hurricane about to hit Florida. And they want to play politics with the debt ceiling?” Ryan (R-Wis.) said. “That will strand the aid that we need to bring to the victims of these storms.”
That's the exact message the White House had been sending to Capitol Hill. FEMA officials told lawmakers Tuesday that they'll run out of emergency funding as soon as Friday. Compounding that, Treasury officials began arguing they couldn't pay FEMA claims to victims unless the debt ceiling is increased immediately.
That's why GOP leaders told House Republicans during a closed-door conference meeting Wednesday that Republicans would remain in town — even through the weekend — until a Harvey-debt ceiling package is signed by the president.
But Trump upended GOP leadership's plans during the White House meeting. Sources familiar with the discussions said Ryan and McConnell made it clear that they didn’t agree with Schumer or Pelosi. When Democrats wouldn't agree, they pushed for a six-month debt ceiling increase instead of the full 18 months.
Trump appeared to tire of the back and forth when Democrats wouldn’t cave to the six-month increase. He struck a deal — or at least, what he saw as one — cutting Mnuchin off mid-sentence as he argued against the merits of a short-term debt increase. The room went silent. Everyone was stunned.
Republicans returned to the Capitol disheartened. They thought they could call Democrats' bluff on the matter and were ready to exit the meeting as a standstill. One senior GOP aide said the whole experience was "mystifying.”
“Maybe it's about the wall, I don't know,” this person said. “None of it makes any sense.”
Unlike now, Republicans in December won’t have a disaster relief bill to help win support for a debt ceiling increase — always a tough vote for Republicans — said another GOP source.
Kevin McCarthy, Cathy McMorris Rodgers and Paul Ryan are pictured. | AP Photo
House passes $7.9 billion aid bill for Hurricane Harvey
By SARAH FERRIS
Democratic leadership staff began discussing a short-term debt ceiling strategy before the August recess, according to several Democratic sources following the talks. Some staff floated the idea of only agreeing to temporary increases in the debt ceiling until Republicans promised that tax reform will not add to the deficit.
The ongoing conversation suggests Democrats were ready to play hardball on the debt ceiling even before the hurricanes that have threatened Texas, Louisiana and Florida.
The short-term debt-limit strategy allows Democrats to say they're not flirting with default but also buys them the time they want to negotiate and use their leverage for other big-ticket items from immigration to government funding. The items mentioned in their Wednesday release — a debt limit hike, government spending, hurricane aid and protection for Dreamers — could in theory be rolled into one giant package later this year, though Democrats are more focused on ensuring that all those measures are bipartisan, according to Democratic aides.
But two debt limit votes would be painful for Republican leaders, who are already pulling teeth to get one increase in the nation's borrowing limit over the finish-line. Trump himself, GOP leadership sources say, will have to get involved to muster enough Republican votes for a single Harvey-debt limit package — and that's assuming every Democrat backs the bill.
“No one wants to revisit this,” said Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) coming out of the GOP conference meeting.
Not all Republicans hated the idea when Democrats floated it, however. One GOP leadership ally, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), suggested he wasn't opposed to the Democrats' proposal.
“Look, a short term increase in the debt limit so that they can handle this is a sensible thing, in my view," the Oklahoma Republican said, arguing that it might even be preferable to leadership's long-term debt increase strategy. "That’s not like an 18-month deal.... I think it would have a lot more difficulty than something short term. So we’ll have to wait and see."
After the deal was struck, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) defended the president’s actions: "I don't know that he sided with the Democrats. He made an agreement.”
John Bresnahan and Seung Min Kim contributed to this report.
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:lol
09-06-2017
hater
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A deal maker makes deals
Obomba couldnt even make a deal with his wife on what tie to wear :lmao
09-06-2017
clambake
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Originally Posted by hater
A deal maker makes deals
Obomba couldnt even make a deal with his wife on what tie to wear :lmao
actually he doesn't make deals
turns out he only kneels.
09-06-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by hater
Obomba
*ding*
09-06-2017
hater
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Originally Posted by clambake
actually he doesn't make deals
turns out he only kneels.
It takes 2 sides to make a deal
:lmao Shumer and Pelosi taking their first offer
09-06-2017
clambake
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the worship
09-06-2017
Splits
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Originally Posted by hater
It takes 2 sides to make a deal
:lmao Shumer and Pelosi taking their first offer
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Trump appeared to tire of the back and forth when Democrats wouldn’t cave to the six-month increase. He struck a deal — or at least, what he saw as one — cutting Mnuchin off mid-sentence as he argued against the merits of a short-term debt increase. The room went silent. Everyone was stunned.
Republicans returned to the Capitol disheartened. They thought they could call Democrats' bluff on the matter and were ready to exit the meeting as a standstill. One senior GOP aide said the whole experience was "mystifying.”
“Maybe it's about the wall, I don't know,” this person said. “None of it makes any sense.”
:lmao
09-06-2017
spurraider21
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Originally Posted by hater
It takes 2 sides to make a deal
:lmao Shumer and Pelosi taking their first offer
Democrats asked for 3 months. Republicans wanted 12
Trump settled on 3 :lol
09-06-2017
hater
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Democrats asked for 3 months. Republicans wanted 12
Trump settled on 3 :lol
And democrats accepted
:lmao DNC subservient to the Don
09-06-2017
spurraider21
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Originally Posted by hater
And democrats accepted
:lmao DNC subservient to the Don
Not sure you really understand how negotiations work :lol
He bent over at their first demand
09-06-2017
Splits
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Not sure you really understand how negotiations work :lol
He bent over at their first demand
God please don't put this guy 1-on-1 with Un. We'll all be speaking Korean by winter.
09-06-2017
Reck
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Originally Posted by hater
And democrats accepted
:lmao DNC subservient to the Don
So someone who presents a deal...also accepts their own deal?
:lol self dealing
:lol Hater
09-06-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Democrats asked for 3 months. Republicans wanted 12
Trump settled on 3 :lol
:lmao hater taking the L like a champ.
09-06-2017
hater
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Not sure you really understand how negotiations work :lol
He bent over at their first demand
And they willingly accepted his acceptance :lmao
Their minds are blown :lol
09-06-2017
Pavlov
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:lmao hater quadrupling down on the biggest L yet.
09-06-2017
hater
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Yesterday they wanted to impeach him for cheating with Russia
Today hes their hero :lmao
Deal :tu
09-06-2017
hater
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:lmao Trump was apparently goofing around with Shumer in the oval office :lmao
Minds blown :lol
09-06-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by hater
Yesterday they wanted to impeach him for cheating with Russia
Today hes their hero :lmao
Deal :tu
:lmao No. Trump took the L with you and we're laughing at you both. :lol
Deal :tu
09-06-2017
hater
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09-06-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by hater
:lmao Trump was apparently goofing around with Shumer in the oval office :lmao
Minds blown :lol
:lmao Schumer toying with the Great Negotiator :lmao
09-06-2017
hater
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09-06-2017
hater
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09-06-2017
Pavlov
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:lmao losers trying to spin the L as bad as hater :lmao
09-06-2017
hater
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:lmao
09-06-2017
Pavlov
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:lmao hater reaching for Canadian spin :lmao
09-06-2017
Splits
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
:lmao losers trying to spin the L as bad as hater :lmao
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
:lmao hater reaching for Canadian spin :lmao
:lmao horee fucking shiit
09-06-2017
hater
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09-06-2017
hitmanyr2k
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Originally Posted by hater
This is some revisionist history bullshit :lol
Great job everyone, great job. Let's get our "Mission Accomplished" healthcare bill photo-op. Get that camera ready. Everyone say "we fucked you America !!"
Man, that healthcare bill is mean. I don't know what those Republicans were thinking. The bill was just mean. It needs some heart. None of it was my fault.
I think that’s a ridiculous idea. I hope that they don’t mean that. Let’s think about this: We’ve got all this devastation in Texas. We’ve got another unprecedented hurricane about to hit Florida. And they want to play politics with the debt ceiling? That will strand the aid that we need to bring to the victims of these storms that have occurred, or are about to occur. And they also want to threaten to default on our debt? I think it’s ridiculous and disgraceful that they want to play with the debt ceiling at this moment when we have fellow citizens in need to responds to these hurricanes so that we do not strand them. What the leaders you just described proposed is unworkable, and it could put in jeopardy the kind of hurricane response we need to have.
:lol :lol :lol
:lmao
09-06-2017
johnsmith
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Originally Posted by Blake
Who's mad?
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Originally Posted by spurraider21
Not mad at trump. Just lol'ing at people buying the "we should vote for the asshole because he's a great businessman, dealmaker, negotiator" bullshit
Understood....misinterpreted....muh bad
09-06-2017
Splits
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Originally Posted by johnsmith
Someone explain this to me.....the board liberals are mad that Trump just accepted the offer given to him by the dems?
Shouldn't you be applauding him for listening to what you consider your leaders and going along with it? What am I missing?
Mad?
We're fucking joyous! Your faggot president can't get shit passed with his party in control of both houses of Congress, has to rely on Dems to do anything meaningful
:lmao
09-06-2017
johnsmith
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Originally Posted by Splits
Mad?
We're fucking joyous! Your faggot president can't get shit passed with his party in control of both houses of Congress, has to rely on Dems to do anything meaningful
:lmao
Isn't he your President too?
09-06-2017
Reck
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Are republicans really turning this into a pseudo win?
:lol Those Hater tweets are hilarious.
09-06-2017
Splits
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Isn't he your President too?
No.
I left the US on 21 Jan.
He was my president for 1 day.
Fuck your president.
09-06-2017
Splits
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Originally Posted by Reck
Are republicans really turning this into a pseudo win?
That's the sad part about the GOP though. The Democrats basically have no power but they're still somehow winning. Obamacare is still the law of the land. No significant GOP legislation has gone through. There's no "wall" going up. The racists showed their ass and now the Confederate statues are coming down. Trump is busy playing on Twitter, golfing, throwing his reality TV show staff under the bus one by one, having campaign rallies, whining about the media and sabotaging his own party. What do Democrats have to complain about really? They should welcome Trump's incompetence with open arms and be thankful they're not up against a Republican President that actually knows what he's doing :lol
09-06-2017
Blake
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Not mad
Their minds are blown :lmao
Your mind is gone
09-06-2017
RandomGuy
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Democrats asked for 3 months. Republicans wanted 12
Trump settled on 3
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Originally Posted by hater
And democrats accepted
:lmao DNC subservient to the Don
Wow, that was ducks-level non-comprehension.
Let's try it this way:
Democrats: "We want 3 slices of pie"
Republicans: "We just want to give you 1."
Democrats: "We want 3 slices of pie"
Republicans: "Ok, then how about just 2?"
Democrats: "We want 3 slices of pie"
Trump: "Ok, here is 3 slices."
How exactly is this a Trump victory?
What it does do, is put the Republican leadership on notice that Trump will give the Democrats what they want, if they don't want to deal with him.
This is a shot in the arm to the moderates in the GOP, at the expense of the extremist asshats like Cruz.
09-06-2017
hater
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Yeah they were handing out pie retard :rolleyes
09-06-2017
RandomGuy
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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
You have the empathy of a reptile.
I forgot about Fuzzy! The token "fake smart guy" of every Internet forum!
09-07-2017
djohn2oo8
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:lmao
09-07-2017
hater
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09-07-2017
hater
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Getting republican support now :lmao
Minds blown :lol
09-07-2017
boutons_deux
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
This probably had something to do with it.
:nope:ihit:married::yield
some b/g on Trash's obsession with is DILF
Trump Thinks Ivanka is a ‘Prized Possession’ Who Impresses Everyone
D’Antonio said the Ivanka cameos was “not at all surprising,” saying she did the same thing as a child when her father had business meetings and he would take her calls while she was at school “to demonstrate how close they were.”
“She’s been this kind of prop and instrument for him most of her life,”
“I don’t know if he realizes that this isn’t that impressive to people,” she said.
“I think he thinks Ivanka’s sort of his prized possession and that
everybody is going to be so blown away because she shows up…
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I'm sort of confused that this is a big deal.
a) How fucked are we that people are celebrating having another debt-ceiling crisis in three months? Nothing hurt my view on Congress more than the fights they had over this in the last decade.
b) The Democrats didn't really win anything. The main motivator for this was disaster relief for Harvey and probably Irma. That isn't really a partisan issue. As we saw with Katrina, and Sandy, party identity doesn't really overcome politician's fear of looking bad after a national disaster. I'd never put it past Trump to be an asshole, but this was an obvious choice politically as well as morally.
c) Trump's plans to completely ruin the economy means that another fight in December probably suits him fine. The Republicans wanted 18 months to go through their next election cycle. Trump would be better served by a GOP Congress feeling pressure to work his ideas into their policy rather than one who can sit on their hands through the midterms.
In essence, Trump gets what he wants: A cowed GOP and a break in the unwavering resistance from the Left. The Dems get nothing but false hope. The right gets three months to come up with an even worse budget. The Gulf Coast gets continued relief money. The rest of us get to deal with this shit during the holidays.
09-07-2017
RandomGuy
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Sean Eliott is a nigger cunt
(does quoted text to see coding)
OOOH purty.
09-07-2017
RandomGuy
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Originally Posted by Chinook
I'm sort of confused that this is a big deal.
a) How fucked are we that people are celebrating having another debt-ceiling crisis in three months? Nothing hurt my view on Congress more than the fights they had over this in the last decade.
b) The Democrats didn't really win anything. The main motivator for this was disaster relief for Harvey and probably Irma. That isn't really a partisan issue. As we saw with Katrina, and Sandy, party identity doesn't really overcome politician's fear of looking bad after a national disaster. I'd never put it past Trump to be an asshole, but this was an obvious choice politically as well as morally.
c) Trump's plans to completely ruin the economy means that another fight in December probably suits him fine. The Republicans wanted 18 months to go through their next election cycle. Trump would be better served by a GOP Congress feeling pressure to work his ideas into their policy rather than one who can sit on their hands through the midterms.
In essence, Trump gets what he wants: A cowed GOP and a break in the unwavering resistance from the Left. The Dems get nothing but false hope. The right gets three months to come up with an even worse budget. The Gulf Coast gets continued relief money. The rest of us get to deal with this shit during the holidays.
The Democrats won a chance to attach stuff to another debt ceiling vote. That is a pretty substantial thing, and means that we will be talking about whatever they want during the beginnings of the mid-term elections.
09-07-2017
Chinook
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy
The Democrats won a chance to attach stuff to another debt ceiling vote. That is a pretty substantial thing, and means that we will be talking about whatever they want during the beginnings of the mid-term elections.
Yeah, but who cares, really? I mean, they have the exact same amount of power now as they did three months ago. If the GOP didn't think they needed Dem support before, why would that change? Trump getting so much press for this gives him way more political capital than such a mundane action should warrant. He literally gave up nothing to get it.
09-07-2017
RandomGuy
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, but who cares, really? I mean, they have the exact same amount of power now as they did three months ago. If the GOP didn't think they needed Dem support before, why would that change? Trump getting so much press for this gives him way more political capital than such a mundane action should warrant. He literally gave up nothing to get it.
He didn't give up anything in the short term no. Such a move benefits him a good deal, because it demonstrates to his party that he can go around them if they don't cooperate.
The move though, isn't designed to gain them more power immediately. It is designed to add fodder for attack ads.
"Senator X voted for this horrible thing that you hate"
09-07-2017
Chucho
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Originally Posted by johnsmith
I forgot about Fuzzy! The token "fake smart guy" of every Internet forum!
So true. He isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
09-07-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, but who cares, really? I mean, they have the exact same amount of power now as they did three months ago. If the GOP didn't think they needed Dem support before, why would that change? Trump getting so much press for this gives him way more political capital than such a mundane action should warrant. He literally gave up nothing to get it.
Political capital to be used with whom? Seems the only thing this really does is screw over Republicans by making them vote for debt multiple times before midterms. But 5-D chess and all that.
09-07-2017
FuzzyLumpkins
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Originally Posted by johnsmith
I forgot about Fuzzy! The token "fake smart guy" of every Internet forum!
Such original takes you have, lizard.
09-07-2017
Chinook
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
Political capital to be used with whom? Seems the only thing this really does is screw over Republicans by making them vote for debt multiple times before midterms. But 5-D chess and all that.
Trump apparently "gave" the Dems a huge win in the name of bringing relief to hurricane victims. That's not cause for a mandate or anything, but it does make him look better the next time he and the Left are stuck in gridlock. With the way the liberal media is high-fiving themselves over this, it's going to be hard to argue against them compromising on some things he wants to do that the Right doesn't necessarily agree with. Who knows what that will be, a Trumpcare bill that is pushed by Dems rather than the GOP?
09-07-2017
boutons_deux
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, a Trumpcare bill that is pushed by Dems rather than the GOP?
There's no healthcare bill that the Repugs will vote for that actually maintains or increases actual health care, since Trashcare 1 and 2 were really tax cuts for the wealthy/BigCorp ("wealthy" includes Trash's number one priority, himself and his $$$).
09-07-2017
johnsmith
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Such original takes you have, lizard.
Lol....the old "nu uh" comeback....that'll teach me.
Honestly, I'm surprised you can read this shit from way up on your high horse.
09-07-2017
Chinook
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
There's no healthcare bill that the Repugs will vote for that actually maintains or increases actual health care, since Trashcare 1 and 2 were really tax cuts for the wealthy/BigCorp ("wealthy" includes Trash's number one priority, himself and his $$$).
That's all well and good in a GOP-led bill. But at this point, Trumpcare looks to be as much of a legacy thing as Obamacare is. What they tried to pass last time wasn't so much Trumpcare as it was exactly what the Ryanesque GOP would want in every situation. Trump has consistently showed that he doesn't care about towing the party line, and this time he showed that he's willing to go with the Left if they can get a faster deal that way.
Ultimately, I do think Trump will care about his legacy above all else. He may be okay with the media blasting him for being a self-centered, misogynistic, racially insensitive bastard, but he's not going to got four to eight years without doing anything. He painted himself as a populist during the campaign, and there are populist measures that are in the Democratic arena. He can pander to his base and ego without following Ryan's agenda.
09-07-2017
Pavlov
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Trump apparently "gave" the Dems a huge win in the name of bringing relief to hurricane victims. That's not cause for a mandate or anything, but it does make him look better the next time he and the Left are stuck in gridlock. With the way the liberal media is high-fiving themselves over this, it's going to be hard to argue against them compromising on some things he wants to do that the Right doesn't necessarily agree with. Who knows what that will be, a Trumpcare bill that is pushed by Dems rather than the GOP?
That would require help from the GOP members of Congress he just screwed. It just doesn't make much sense.
09-07-2017
Chinook
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Originally Posted by Pavlov
That would require help from the GOP members of Congress he just screwed. It just doesn't make much sense.
The GOP Congress is not in a position of power against Trump, though. He doesn't have to worry about reelection for three more years, while the GOP has 15 months. Imagine all those people going to town halls and writing letters over the last bill doing so over the Republicans not coming to the table over a bill that the Left and Trump hammer out. That's a toxic campaign environment. Can guys like Ryan keep the party in line? Yes, mostly. But they'd lose plenty of members who are fighting for survival.
Of course, health care is just a hypothetical that isn't likely to happen even if the political capital is there. I'm just saying that a Trump that really works with Dems is much stronger than a GOP who can't rely on their POTUS or on their constituents to go along with their policies.
09-07-2017
Blake
Re: Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer from Democr
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Originally Posted by Chinook
The GOP Congress is not in a position of power against Trump, though. He doesn't have to worry about reelection for three more years, while the GOP has 15 months. Imagine all those people going to town halls and writing letters over the last bill doing so over the Republicans not coming to the table over a bill that the Left and Trump hammer out. That's a toxic campaign environment.
So Trump's plan is to get an all Democrat Congress if the current GOPs don't follow him.
What a plan.
09-07-2017
FuzzyLumpkins
Re: Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer from Democr
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Originally Posted by johnsmith
Lol....the old "nu uh" comeback....that'll teach me.
Honestly, I'm surprised you can read this shit from way up on your high horse.
That makes no sense. There wasn't a denial in my post; nothing that should even be confused with one. I was simply ridiculing your originality. Frankly, such ignorant and whiny comments belie your narrative about our relative intelligences.
I must say though, I do like how you have now juxtaposed the "Fuzzy isn't as smart as he thinks he is" narrative with accusations of arrogance. Perhaps some introspection will illuminate the irony for you. I find it delicious, snowflake.
09-07-2017
Pavlov
Re: Trump, who casts himself as a master negotiator, took the first offer from Democr
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Originally Posted by Chinook
The GOP Congress is not in a position of power against Trump, though. He doesn't have to worry about reelection for three more years, while the GOP has 15 months. Imagine all those people going to town halls and writing letters over the last bill doing so over the Republicans not coming to the table over a bill that the Left and Trump hammer out. That's a toxic campaign environment. Can guys like Ryan keep the party in line? Yes, mostly. But they'd lose plenty of members who are fighting for survival.
Of course, health care is just a hypothetical that isn't likely to happen even if the political capital is there. I'm just saying that a Trump that really works with Dems is much stronger than a GOP who can't rely on their POTUS or on their constituents to go along with their policies.
Yeah, I'd have to be convinced he's really working some long triangulation game rather than concluding he just wanted to stick it to GOP congress for making him look ineffective.
