Stern: Players will be 'pleasantly surprised' about dress code

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Originally Posted by thispego

wow, thanks for those completely unnecassary statistics. the fact is that these guys dont want to have to pay for something that they dont want and dont want to wear.
It's not that they can't afford a nice suit, Camby wasnt saying his current salary couldnt afford him a new suit. He was saying if you want so badly for us to dress professionaly, then you foot the bill.
What possible reason could there be for forcing these guys to "suit up"? I can see why it would piss them off, and I can see that it is the pronciple of the matter that brought on these comments by camby.

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Next time you go to work, wear your baggy jeans around your thighs and a 2Pac shirt or something like that. When your boss tells you to go home and put something on decent for the work place tell him if the company wants you to dress a certain way, they should buy your clothes.

Let me know how that works out for you.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

The NBA isn't like other jobs. If a waiter/waitress bitches about having to pay for a uniform, they are easily replaceable. There aren't thousands of Marcus Cambys and Allen Iversons waiting around to start NBA teams and do the same things they can do. Because of that clout, they are more able (and have every right) to voice disapproval of decisions by their employers.

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That does not mean they can't be called out for not wanting to wear a suit (if that is what it end up being) to a press conference.

Look, we are talking about a suit, maybe one a hour every game night.

What is so terrible about that?

Fuck this rich athletes are spoiled.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

But I bet your husband would like to have his uniform paid for by the company.

I don't really understand the backlash that goes along with players discussing their opposition to terms of this dress code. It's one thing if you don't feel the company should be obligated to pay a stipend or let the players wear what they want... but it's another thing all together to suggest players should just shut up and do what they're told.

The NBA isn't like other jobs. If a waiter/waitress bitches about having to pay for a uniform, they are easily replaceable. There aren't thousands of Marcus Cambys and Allen Iversons waiting around to start NBA teams and do the same things they can do. Because of that clout, they are more able (and have every right) to voice disapproval of decisions by their employers.

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...and we have every right to call them assholes for suggesting they need more money. Especially when it's Marcus Camby. How about earning some of that $50M before asking for more?

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Originally Posted by Chump

That's what collective bargaining is for.

They had their chance to help define any code this summer. It's their fault that they left it up to the owners.

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That's the point that many people are missing.

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Originally Posted by thispego

wow, thanks for those completely unnecassary statistics. the fact is that these guys dont want to have to pay for something that they dont want and dont want to wear.

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I work at a bank and have to wear a suit. I would rather wear T-Shirt. By the way, the bank does not pay for the suit.

And the stats are relevant. The guy made $50MM in 10 years. All the league is asking is he look professional once in a while.

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Originally Posted by thispego

It's not that they can't afford a nice suit, Camby wasnt saying his current salary couldnt afford him a new suit. He was saying if you want so badly for us to dress professionaly, then you foot the bill.

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Couldn't disagree with you more.

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Originally Posted by thispego

What possible reason could there be for forcing these guys to "suit up"? I can see why it would piss them off, and I can see that it is the pronciple of the matter that brought on these comments by camby.

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Suiting up is sooooooo hard.

These guys would probably go to prison before suiting up.

Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

That's what collective bargaining is for.

They had their chance to help define any code this summer. It's their fault that they left it up to the owners.

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Right, and that's why the NBA can also force players to wear tu-tus if they choose. The players clearly didn't see this coming and didn't prepare accordingly. That is their fault, but that doesn't mean we're at a point where they should just "shut up and quit being spoiled multimillionaire bitches."

Besides, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for the NBA to relax certain rules in response to player or public outcry.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Right, and that's why the NBA can also force players to wear tu-tus if they choose. The players clearly didn't see this coming and didn't prepare accordingly. That is their fault, but that doesn't mean we're at a point where they should just "shut up and quit being spoiled multimillionaire bitches."

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for the NBA to relax certain rules in response to player or public outcry.

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The exact rules hadn't even been defined yet when the players/public began their outcry. I said in the threads from the very beginning that I had heard that it was just going to be button down shirts and no jeans. But some articles added sportscoat and then (I believe) Ludden's article even added tie.

And then the whole forum went crazy and called Iverson a thug for questioning it and called Tim Duncan a hero for questioning it. :lmao

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That does not mean they can't be called out for not wanting to wear a suit (if that is what it end up being) to a press conference.

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Who said they can't be called out? I'm just curious about why you're calling them out.

Can somebody explain to me why dressing smartly is such a bad thing?

PS: It's only for one hour.

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That is their fault, but that doesn't mean we're at a point where they should just "shut up and quit being spoiled multimillionaire bitches."

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I think they should shut up and read before they sign. If this was so important to them they shouldn't have signed away their control.

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And then the whole forum went crazy and called Iverson a thug for questioning it and called Tim Duncan a hero for questioning it.

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Right, and (outside of homerism) that stems from stereotypes that are closely related to some of the reasons we're discussing a "dress code" in the first place.

People are focusing on whether these players can afford nice clothes, or whether they have the right to question their employers, etc... and nobody seems to wonder why we NEED to see these players wearing "nice" clothes anyway.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I think they should shut up and read before they sign. If this was so important to them they shouldn't have signed away their control.

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Has every player signed this agreement? How can they have signed something that nobody knows the final details about?

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Originally Posted by smeagol

Can somebody explain to me why dressing smartly is such a bad think?

PS: It's only for one hour.

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First explain why it's a good thing. And define "smartly".

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Who said they can't be called out? I'm just curious about why you're calling them out.

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Spurm, there are guys who have the God-given athletic ability (and the height) to excel at playing a game with a ball that bounces and i thrown through a hoop. They make incredible amounts of money for doing so. Some live a life that can only be described as a fairy tale.

And now they might be asked to wear certain kind of attire (it's uncertain which). And they start bitching. One of them (Camby) even implies the League has to pay for the attire.

That's why I'm calling them out.

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and nobody seems to wonder why we NEED to see these players wearing "nice" clothes anyway.

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Because the owners think so. Whether they're right or wrong doesn't really matter; they were given the power to decide by the players.

The time for debate was four or five months ago.

I am going to do what I should have done in the first place- wait and see what happens.

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Has every player signed this agreement?

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The body they chose to negotiate for them did. It certainly seems as though the owners are living up to their end as the players are getting paid.

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How can they have signed something that nobody knows the final details about?

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Again, the players, through the NBPA, agreed to leave it up to the owners. How is this so difficult to understand?

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

First explain why it's a good thing. And define "smartly".

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Because millions of people are watching them on TV. The image they project is better if they are smartly dressed. They could come out with ragged shirts and jeans with holes. Not sure that's the image the League wants to project, though.

"Smartly" could be suits.

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Again, the players, through the NBPA, agreed to leave it up to the owners. How is this so difficult to understand?

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That doesn't mean they're silenced on negotiations they disapprove of, unless that's in the CBA as well.

You're arguing legality. That's fine. I don't dispute that the NBA has legal justification for any dress code they hand down. And quite frankly, I would still be opposed to a dress code even if the players themselves negotated it and signed off on it in their own blood.

These rules are intended to eliminate what the season ticket/suite buying public perceives as "thug wear." Case in point:

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Because millions of people are watching them on TV. The image they project is better if they are smartly dressed. They could come out with ragged shirts and jeans with holes.

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Why are we protecting our kids from ragged shirts and holey jeans? Why are we perpetuating the perception that good people dress nice and bad people dress ragged?

This goes beyond whether or not Marcus Camby can afford a suit at K&G. Good business decision? Sure. Moral decision? I'm not so sure.

I don't believe bitching about clothes is outlawed, but bitching about refs certainly is.

Is that moral?

From a pure free-speech standpoint, no.

Is it what the players agreed to?

Absolutely. And if they do feel a fine from ref-bitching to be unfair, they also agreed to arbitration. I would be surprised if they cared enough to ask for the same appeals process for Duncan's wife-beaters.

I doubt any player in the league would tuck in his jersey if they had the choice.

Why don't they have that choice?

But then we don't criticise players for bitching about calls that we agree went the wrong way, do we?

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

But then we don't criticise players for bitching about calls that we agree went the wrong way, do we?

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We don't have anything to do with this.

Sure we do. We buy the tickets and the merchandise.

This dress code is meant to appease those of "us" who think players dress like thugs.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Sure we do. We buy the tickets and the merchandise.

This dress code is meant to appease those of "us" who think players dress like thugs.

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So you're going to stop spending on the NBA if the dress code goes through?

I won't.

Their thinking is maybe some folks will increase their spending. I don't know if it's right or wrong -- all I know is that it's their call to make.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Why are we protecting our kids from ragged shirts and holey jeans?

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I agree with you. Children will not be scarred for life if some basketball player dresses with a ragged shirt to a press conference.

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Originally Posted by Spurminator

Why are we perpetuating the perception that good people dress nice and bad people dress ragged?

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I do believe in right and wrong. In this case, we are talking about something of little consequence.

But there are reasons why there are dress codes. there is a reason people go to weddings dressed a certain way, Congressmen go to Congress dressed a certain way a Supreme Court Judges dress a certain way.

Again, I fail to see what's so wrong about a dress code for basketball players.