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I remember his plays against Cavs on the road last regular season...He came up huge in the 4th tonight...He's showing flashes of a Fearless-Big Time player.
Hope pop sticks with him starting even after Parker returns. His confidence is high right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by YGWHI
When Parker comes back, I think he'll be better off coming off the bench. He knows the offense and can help with the 2nd unit. His minutes need to be limited anyway. Let Murray keep the starting job.
:lol...get ready to be disappointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Pop did start George Hill over Parker in 2010 before Hill lost the job in the semis. I still expect Murray to cool down, but if he doesn't, we could see Pop "bringing Tony along slowly" for the whole season.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
I remember, not too long ago, numerous well educated Spur fans saying Murray had no game, after watching the preseason. Raise your hand, if you still have the same opinion.
Can't wait until Pop opts for Parker's "incorporate knowledge" over Murray's defense and offense... :depressedQuote:
Originally Posted by bic50
Goddamnit, I can dream!Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Saw this coming...Mills deal was unnecessary. And Spurs dont even have solid minutes for Forbes, BP3, or White WITH TP being out
Jordan Bell looking good for the Warriors too. We could have used a quality big for the rotation, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
If he can protect the ball better & work with Chip, he can be!
Im really concerned about how these contracts are gonna shake out next year. PATFO have some decisions to make and it appears Gasol's contract may come back to bite them more than expected due to the cap not increasing next year as much as was expected.
PATFO showing that they aint stupid.
The wisdom if one isn’t trolling is celebrating when someone far exceeds a previous level of play. That’s development . Happy to cheer for a youngster growing up and hoping he can maintain that level so that he keeps rotation minutes when the roster is whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
I know you did. You must be disgusted with the Spurs summer contracts. I figured that’s why we had not seen you much. Or just life keeping busy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Saw what coming? A broken porker and we let go of our best PG? :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
You didn't see shit. :lol
Getting older leads to more responsibilities. Busy to say the least.. use Twitter as my Spurs fix when I have the time..much easier to use w/ mobile ..easier to filter the good conversationsQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I hope my dude Brazil got that sig ready for this summer. :lol
Paying almost $100 million in total to Patty and Pau is pretty fucking stupid tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by peacemaker885
:lol my nigg' Parker is getting closer to return... you know how it will end upQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
The difference then was, Ginobili was starting and they didn't really have a third PG, let alone someone the caliber of Mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
That's why Parker will eventually reclaim the starting job: because he has to for the rotation to make sense.
I'm firmly of the belief that Pop was going to start two PGs this season had Paul come over. I don't think he has any reservations about having two come off the bench. It's not really even a big deal if they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
he wont start...because we will be worseQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Playing two midgets on today's NBA.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, that wouldn't get royally fucked by the Warriors and pretty much every other decent team on the league.
I don't get this. The league is smaller than ever. It's fine not to like it (I wouldn't have liked it either), but to act like it would be an archaic approach is just weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
The league is smarter than ever at exploting weak defensive links. Teams nowadays have several resources to exploit bad defenders and/or midgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
If Parker is still the player he was in the playoffs he can still be big for this team. The question is what are we going to do with Fatty Mills? He makes too much money these days to just towel wave.
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Originally Posted by Chinook
Parker hasnt been the player he was in the playoffs in 3-4 years. That flash in the pan performance he had in the playoffs, was likely just a flash in a pan. Its silly to me how fans think that performance is sustainable and what we should expect from him at 35 yrs old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
Yes, the league is going smaller/ more versatile but theres context. The league is actually getting longer in the back court, and smaller/ more versatile in the front court -- especially at the 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Teams are not playing two small PGs together. If they do, its a small wrinkle based on matchups that doesnt happen very often.
He won't beQuote:
Originally Posted by Stabula
I was about to say this... League is getting smaller in the frontcourt only...Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
From the games last night and Monday night, I counted eight teams that started two guards 6-4 (rounded up and plus the in that NBA players get, of course) and under, a multiple others where the starting two was like a 6-5 shooter who isn't going to body smaller guards for scores either. This ignores teams where their sixth man is a combo-guard with PG size like Houston, Boston and New Orleans. Then you have teams like Toronto and Phoenix with will run three PG lineups for long stretches.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
And I know, 6-3 folks are giants compared to Parker's 6-2. Regardless, with the move to small-ball, most of the larger wings have become at least occasional power-forwards, and the guys who take there place are often not bigger than the wings of old. Legit 6-4 guys like Brandon Paul are playing the three like it's nothing now. Maybe getting longer is the gold standard, but it's not the reality.
Pop has always preferred to start traditional, both in terms of bigs and wings. Besides, a Parker-Paul back court is just not tenable on a full time basis, especially against starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Off the bench, it's not that Parker and Mills are PG's, it's that physically they're not compatible. Murray can work fine next to Mills and if he continues to hone his spot up 3-point shooting, maybe even Parker.
Just like Gasol supposedly wasn't going to start. Never underestimate how much politics factor into decision making in professional sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Murray has Summer game. Summer good and Summer bad. That's just the way its going to be until he develops a jump shot. Not 15 foot, one handed floaters.
:lol 0 :lol
He made some really nice passes and played well in other areas, he made reads in the PnR that were very vet like.. but yes, he needs a jumper.
Well how the mighty have fallen. :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Are we really going to do this guys? :lol
As long as the defense and rebounding are there, he is making good passes, scoring is a bonus
Damn might've been given the kiss of death with this thread....
First Bertans, then Pitty Mills....
https://media.tenor.com/images/2fe62...5114/tenor.gif
Hope I'm wrong
He didn't score tonight, but I saw something that further fed my enthusiasm: his pick and roll game. He was running it like a vet out there. Specially at the beginning of the game.
But yes, he needs to work on that 15/17 foot Tony Parker jumper. He needs to come out off that screen with a decisive mindset. Thinking "now I'm going to set my feet, shoot this 17 footer and make it".
Lot of parts to his game that need improvement. Rome wasn't built in one day. He needs to improve his decision making on the pnr and straight off the dribble. His rebounding is off the charts. His defense is good right now. Could be better with more experience. Moving him away from the basket right now would not be a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Well that was fun while it lasted.. Murray still in feast or famine mode and that's not going to cut it..In particular, his lack shooting is beginning to loom large..
Kiss of death OP :lol
Working his magic as per usual
Op is right, this isn't a big game. Good call dabom. Also fuck Patty "I only shoot good when manu sets me up" mills
The last two games he has been pretty bad.
Lol, Murray is better than Parker was at the same age. Lol.
To 100 real quickQuote:
Originally Posted by Play Boban
Shooting is overrated... The current MVP frontrunner can't shoot a lickQuote:
Originally Posted by spursistan
He is more talented... More talented doesn't mean better... KG has more talent than Duncan, but Duncan is better... Dirk has more talent than Shaq, but Shaq is better... Murray has more talent than a 21 year old Parker (who couldn't shoot)... But Parker was betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
thread backfire :lmao
And you blame me for people ignoring your takes...Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
shooting does matter for PGs. If you can't shoot for shit as a PG, you're not going to be that good. Right now, even Russell Westbrook is like Larry Bird compared to Deounte when it comes to shooting the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Murray won't take his game to next level until he can develop a jump shot AND be confident in doing so...
I've stated this at lease 50 11 times
Not true....period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Pretty sure you and MrB are on the same side of this one, Coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
?? Was he being sarcastic and I missed it?? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
HzhahahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Yes, he's laughing at D2K5's claim about Murray being better than Parker at 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmac87
Say what? Garnet more talented than Duncan? Garnet didn’t have near as many moves as Duncan. Murray is a long player who can’t dribble or shoot. He is an eh passer and he gets blocked at the rim or makes bad decisions making him a below average finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Parker came into the league with solid ball handling and elite finishing at the rim. He took about 4 years to get a jumper, but he turned into a great midrange shooter and his finishing in the paint ranks with the all time best guards. Parker had a ton of talent but also worked himself into a superstar.
Murray has a long way to go to fill those shoes and likely will never get seasons as good as Parker’s peak seasons.
nice jinx thread, faggot.
cd98, I'd say TP's ball handling was elite or close to it. He didn't do the fancy dribbling like Kyrie and Curry do now, but I always thought back then he had fantastic ball handling skills. I remember a game, I think it was against Dallas, where he was getting knocked around physically on one play while still keeping the dribble alive an inch from the ground without losing his handle on the ball. I always thought he was a great ball handler, not flashy, but still very good.
For some reason, I think his ball handling has slipped a bit these past few years. I don't know why as I didn't think ball handling is a skill that erodes over time. Before these past few seasons, I thought he was as good as anyone. Very solid ball handler with the game on the line too.
2 bad games!
The league allows more traveling today than it did back then. I feel half of the time Curry and Kyrie are allowed to palm the ball and get away with it. Parker's ball handling on the other hand was a hundred percent legit. If Parker came out today it would be entertaining to see what he could do ball handling wise since traveling is hardly called on PG's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
True. Would you also say that they're able to carry it more in today's game? I feel like they carry more too. I guess that's the same as palming.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
Last season in the finals I remember Curry putting a spectacular move on Lebron, but when I saw the replay it was a blatant carry or double dribble I think. Does anyone remember that play? It made Lebron look silly in real time, but after seeing the replay it wasn't a legal play, yet I don't even recall the commentators saying anything about it.
Yep, found it. It was a blatant double dribble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mCwBwUmXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYG-VtbOqQ
Palming and carrying is the same thing but yeah the league allows PG's to carry today without calling traveling. Parker would be invincible if he was allowed to carry back in the day. He would get a layup on every possession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
:lmao
With the way you ppl rate the old Tony Parker, how did we ever lose?
And if u domt think garnett was more skilled than Duncan, you are being biases... Even Odom was more skilled... They could shoot jumpers better, they were better ball handlers, better passers... But Duncan was better overall... By FAR... talent is different from greatness... Haven't u ever heard scouts and analysts say a player has the talent to be great? Murray is more talented at the same age... Parker was just better... So in other words, Murray has a higher ceiling
Tonys little crossover on the fast break(which was often), involved a carry and was rarely called. They didn’t start calling it until later in his career. I’m not sure how anyone would miss that, if they were watching the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
jesusQuote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
This alone tells me Dejounte is gonna be alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerHater
There is not a game that is played without 100 non called traveling. It happens every playQuote:
Originally Posted by daslicer
This was extremely predictable.
Yeah, Antetokounmpo and Simmons aren't comparables. They may be PG's on offense, but the former is a combo forward defensively (with the physical tools of a C) and the latter is a PF defensively. They're too big and strong for most perimeter players and too quick for most bigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
It's not the fact that Murray is a sub par shooter that's concerning, it's the fact that he's a non one altogether. He tries to turn damn near every shot into a floater. Instead of working relentlessly on it, Spurs' antiquated approach seems to be focus on other things and figure that out later, when it's the most important attribute, especially given his aforementioned starting point.
They need to stop this bizarre aversion to the 3 and get with the times. This team is actually loaded with depth of shooting, it's just not a point of emphasis and they don't play a rotation that lends itself to it.
Taveling or murray not being a big game player?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatManu20
It wasn't a BIG game. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
How about the playoff game where he couldnt dribble to halfcourt?Quote:
Originally Posted by dabom
IF you admit Murray was bad, Patty had to be GREAT huh? :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
A pg who is in the *cough* most talented league in the world who cant dribble to half court... has nothing to do w patty. Just murray. A pg who has so limited fundamentals he cant initiate the offense... wtfQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
lmao bring up last year ,wtf???Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
I thought his shitty last game was too soonQuote:
Originally Posted by ECOV
nah the sooner, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Dejounte needs to be quicker moving with the ball in his hands. Can that be fixed?
He's been atrocious since that first few game stretch. Hope he didn't let it get to his head.
He just has a good game or two out of every ten. He just started out that way this season and is returning to the mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
Oh goddamn this is fun!!! :lmao
Shit pgs doin what streetballin pgs do.
His struggling has a Pop feel to it.
Guy starts off playing well doing what he does. Pop gets in his ear because it's not necessarily how he "wants" him to play. Player starts struggling.
Shit pgs doin what streetballin pgs do.
Murray needs to develop a jump shot.
So, me talking about his jump shot being a big problem since last season ended, anyone fucking agree with me now?
Some of you all need to learn how to shoot the ball before you go spouting off starting these type of threads. Just because you've got a good shooting coach, doesn't mean a shit shooter can become a good one. You have to have some sort of feel for shooting the ball, or at least some proclivity towards making shots (even if you have a bad form), otherwise, this could be a long process teaching this kid how to shoot from from the beginning. It looks like this is going to be a long process for Murray. He can still work his ass off and maybe get there, but right now, he looks like he's a long way off.
I really don't know where he's at, because all I've seen is mostly horrendous floaters he tries from weird spots on the floor. He might not be as bad as I'm thinking, but I just having seen much of a decent sample size at all of him taking jump shots.
There was someone who I remember making the point that he doesn't have good eye for the basket when it comes to jump-shooting. It might have been you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
There was also a poster who had attended a game and saw him shoot bricks all shootaround, and mentioned how concerning it was that he couldn't shoot at all (at the time, he wasn't getting playing time, so we didn't know that much about him and he had just a couple of games in which he shot the ball well, so his observation was interesting enough that I remember it).
Anyways, you have a point. He will not be starting level PG, not really until he can make some jumpshots. He doesn't have to be an ace shooter, but at least he has to attempt and make some jumpshots in game situations now and then.
Not worried about DJ, tbh...every young player has growing pains...its not as if young parker never had a bad stretch (for goodness sakes some of his bad stretches came in the playoffs) and its not as if we havent lost games vs trash teams in the past with our big 3...murray will sort himself out...he just needs to focus on defense...and on offense, take it into the body of the defenderto shield them off...
Nothing to see here. He's playing his way into a 50-mil contract.
An observation. I'd have Deounte stop looking for offensive boards and camping the paint and focusing on getting back in transition. His first few games were an anomaly. He is a good rebounder for a guard, but searching for boards at the expense of transition defense is doing a disservice to the Spurs. I hope Pop changes that scheme...