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He had a good overrall performance in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
It's hard to understand why we lost a guy who can compete with Gobert in the paint for rebounds/playing D. Joff is fine but it's clear that Dedmon is a better player.
Dedmon had a good game overall. Rudy Gobert 15pts, 16rebs, 2bks Vs Dewayne Dedmon 15pts, 15rebs, 4asts, 2stl, 1blk.
Spurs let him go for nothing. I would have rather have kept Dedmon and Simmons at their current salaries than pay Gasol what he got (was it possible to have kept both Dedmon and Simmons at their current salaries?), or even just Dedmon himself.
We would have lost way more games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
The trade-off was Dedmon/Gay, not Dedmon/Pau. People keep acting like that was the trade-off, and it wasn't. This is also ignoring the possibility that Dedmon didn't want to play for SA in the first place.
Also, everyone points to Dedmon every time he has a good game, but stats don't exist in a bubble. Sure, he is averaging 10 and 7.5 in 25 minutes a night, but that is on a tanking Atlanta team where he has a full green light. There is no way he would be getting those same touches even as the 2nd big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Also, when they let Dedmon go, it was assumed that Kawhi was going to be around taking 20 shots a game, which would have been even less opportunies for Dewayne.
You guys always think about offense, don't you? I'm defense first, and I would have preferred Dewayne's defense out there over any big we have not named LaMarcus.
Kyle is a better big than dedmon unless you value blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
how do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
If you were trying to lose games, wouldn't you give him one?Quote:
Originally Posted by r0drig0lac
maybe, but that's a guess, I really do not watch the hawks, but who seems to have the green light there is bazemore and schroeder, dedmon is basically there doing what he did in san antonio (rebounds, defense, etc), maybe the front office want to lose games, but no player enters in the court to lose (even because it puts their jobs at risk in some way)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Spurs were due for some progression to the mean and the majority of the other teams in the 3-10 mix in the West due for some regression to the mean.
This is partially true (financially; rotationally, it was Dedmon/Aldridge and Lee/Gay), but it didn't have to be. They didn't have to give Gasol an exorbitant contract for doing them a solid. They could have told him that if they missed on Paul, they'd either re-sign him to the contract he opted out of or he'd be traded into the Timberwolves' cap space (they were interested the previous off season and didn't yet have Gibson).Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Then, they probably (unlike Simmons, don't think he was opposed in a vacuum; just wanted a concrete rotation spot) could have re-signed Dedmon to the contract he received from the Hawks, which is potentially less than 1/3rd of the total value of what they gave to Gasol.
It was Dedmon/Lee for Gay/Laughverne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
When you include financial implications, Pau's contract was definitely part of the equation. I don't recall hearing Dedmon didn't want to play for the Spurs. I heard things like rotation player and pay increase, all things that San Antonio didn't want any part of. So their answer was to bring in a guy with a career threatening injury and see if he could rehabilitate his already VERY mediocre career and Joffrey Laughverne, who was awful to the core before the Spurs signed him. But ya know, that wink-wink deal Pau had with the PATFO made it impossible to make any moves that cost actual cash because it was reserved for Pau.
They could not have signed Gay and Dedmon to a deal like he got in Atlanta. They didn't have two MLEs. With Simmons, they had his EB rights and thusly an exception to offer the same deal Jon got from Orlando. Dedmon was on a one-year deal and couldn't get more than $4 Million in his first year. If they would have tried going under the cap, then Gay's first year would also be part of the necessary space the team needed to make, and with Patty also on the team as well as the salary bumps that came with the new CBA, that just wasn't going to happen. So even in a scenario where Pau goes for nothing, the Spurs were not in position to parlay him into Dedmon. Only if they had gotten Gay some other way (like an S&T with SAC) could they have reserved the slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
The Spurs would have only had cap space had they refinanced Pau, let Patty walk and moved Green and/or Aldridge.
Lee had nothing to do with this. He opted out an retired. His second year was guaranteed, so had he wanted to play, SA likely would have kept with and either not added Joff or added Joff instead of Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
Gay's signing itself hasn't really worked out. The potential is there, but considering that similar players in Jeff Green and Beasley signed for min contracts and have out-impacted Gay, using the MLE seems like an overpay.
As noted above, Pau didn't really cost the team a chance at Dedmon. Even if he had opted out, the team would have been too close to the cap to offer the deal he got with ATL. By far the most logical path to him remaining was the MLE.
Incidentally, Hanga isn't really lighting up in Europe so far.
http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2017
Probably not a big loss that SA didn't have big money to give him.
Lebron is so stupid.
And he strikes again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Steph Curry on his ankle: "If you're being really nitpicky, it's definitely not 100 percent. There's nothing that's going to happen between now and the end of June that's going to change that."
and that is basically Kiwi too.. except that Kiwi doesn't want to play on his quad as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili
If Gay had to be sacrificed, so be it. He's been an awkward fit with a dwindling role without Leonard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
As you said, the likes of Green and Beasley were available for the minimum. Not that I'd have wanted either or the Spurs would ever sign the latter, but they're good examples of lesser versions.
Charlotte beat Memphis 140-79. What in the actual fuck?
Pelicans and the Jazz are all in close games so far.
wow, the hornets beat the grizz by 61 points
Kemba scored 46 points on 18 shots in 3 quarters. :wowQuote:
Originally Posted by NASpurs
10/14 3ptQuote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
Go Lakers tonight...need a Pelicans loss