Astonishing FAILURE: Patty Mills first 8 games of the 17-18 season

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Originally Posted by Jules_Winnfield

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


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Lol no

Win now mode 2018:

Leonard 27

Green 31
Dragic 32
Gay 32
Aldridge 33

Parker 36
Gasol 38
Ginobili 41

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Two ballhandlers/playmakers in each lineup.

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?

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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?

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Smart Basketball Mind: "If you think there is value in trying to keep as many guys together as possible, give him what he is asking for." <shrug> "It isn't my money."

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Originally Posted by Jules_Winnfield

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne

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:lolInteresting. they are in a losing skid. They overpaid Tyler Johnson for the next couple of seasons bc they matched him with that poison pill contract. He's a nice player, but his contract will balloon. Dragic is a nice player, but it seems outside of him no one has shown up for Miami.

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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

Would have liked to have been a fly-on-the-wall for the making of this shockingly bad deal. Some supposedly smart basketball minds thought signing Mills for mega-bucks was a good idea. How the fuck does that happen?

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He's a "character guy."

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Originally Posted by Budkin

He's a "character guy."

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Which means he wont bitch when tony gets back or when deejuntaye starts ahead of him. Hes a capable game changer when coming off the bench. Hes a 6 man a la crawford or jr smith. Streaky volume shooters.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

I think every Spur fan has frustrations..that's totally normal..

But tbh it's all about realistic expectations and holding those expectations true..

As you said Spurs were fortunate to win in 14'...but so has every championship team. I've been frustrated when PATFO have elected to "run it back" after winning titles..they've failed to repeat and it's the only knack they have as an organization. But I understand why they have done so and knew they have the best interest of winning. This organization doesn't try to sell tickets they just try to win and I respect the hell out of it.

They got LMA because he was needed for obvious reasons and he was the right move. I respect that they've attempted to lure CP3 and Durant..even tho they weren't the favorites they wanted the "talent" you're seeking. They'll do the same thing for LeBron this offseason.Contracts to Pau/Mills suck but I think it's naive to think they're automatically gonna play it out in SA.

I dunno what your expectations were for this year but it's pretty much played out almost exactly what I thought regarding Spurs.. If there's no Kawhi we ain't gotta chance and we truly don't know how we match up with GSW...

I mean who would've thought Spurs were gonna make it to the WCF the following year after Timmy retired??? If I told you that 5 years ago you would've called me crazy...

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Not if I saw the roster, knew the level Leonard ascended to and the landscape of the West last season. Once Clippers were out of Spurs bracket and injuries did them in again in the playoffs, it was down to a virtual coin flip between them and Rockets for the right to lose to Warriors in WCF. Admittedly, I thought Rockets would win, but ultimately they won a coin flip game 5 and beat a one (super)star team. Sure, they closed them out in historically impressive fashion, but still.

You apologists and casuals have this lottery type mentality and ignore context. This team will more than likely need something completely unforeseen to replicate that. Like Parker miraculously returning to and sustaining '17 playoff form or a key injury to Rockets/Thunder.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

Didn't Bill Land tonight say that Pop said you don't necessarily need talent to win, it's more about execution? Does anyone remember the exact quote?

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

To execute well they need talent simply. You can run the same play for different guys and they don't execute the same as your best guys bc they are less talented.

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That and what's he going to say; this team isn't good enough to win consistently until they get healthy? Also, I was referencing championship, not regular season, but even then, you need someone who can break down the defense and create for others.

Hornets are a perfect example. Limited talent, low event type team, but they historically do all the things you need to do to give yourself a chance (elite at defensive rebounding, not turning it over or fouling) and have pretty much maxed out in recent years. All of it would have been for naught if Walker didn't ascend to being a borderline top 10 PG though.

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Originally Posted by Jules_Winnfield

"The Spurs have holes at both PG and SG.Dragic and TJ would fill their holes nicely."

"And what the hell would we be getting in return? the only young player they have (assuming you want to blow it up) is Dejounte Murray and he plus their 1st rounder would not be worth both Dragic and TJ."

"don't they have another rookie and future 1St rounders."

"Brandon Paul is ok but even adding him isnt going to do much. Would have to get 2 first rounders at least I would imagine. Plus then salaries wouldnt work at all."

"Considering his contract and how bad he's been this season. we may have to attach something to TJ to move him. And Dejounte Murray and 1st rounder might be the best package we get for Dragic. There's not that many playoff teams that need a pg, maybe Orlando, Spurs and Denver. We wont get back anything close to what we owe for Dragic. Blowing it up this season is tricky because of the top 7 protected pick. We could end up tanking and gift Phx the 8th pick in a good draft. On the otherside we could try for the playoffs and just miss it and give Phoenix the 14th pick. Basically we have to be good or this is a wasted season. Or be extremely bad, but I dont see how we get there with so many worse teams tanking."

"If the Heat are 6 or 7 games under .500 come January 1st, I'm sure tank talk will be in full bloom. "


From the Heat forum.

Mills + Murray + Anderson + 1st round pick for Dragic + White


Dragic-Green-Leonard-Aldridge-Gasol

Parker-Ginobili-White-Gay-Lauvergne

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Much rather have Mills, Murray and Anderson tbh. Mills ,hopefully, continues to improves to the means. Murray has upside, assuming he becomes at least a competent mid range or long range threat and Anderson is fine as is.