LeBron Wanted Simmons

To whomever it may interest... Didn't see it posted anywhere.

Jonathon Simmons believes he can be an elite player in the league and that mindset forced him to say no to LeBron James when the 4-time MVP attempted to bring him to Cleveland.
“I even talked to LeBron James over the phone, and he was like, ‘We want you in Cleveland.’ And I said, ‘No, I want to play against you.’ I want to be able to play against elite guys and be able to, in a couple of years down the line, be just where they are,”Simmons said (via Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel).
Salary also played a role in turning down the opportunity to join the defending Eastern Conference champs. “It wasn’t enough money, anyway. I have a family. I expressed that to him, which he kind of already knew. He said, ‘I respect that and I’ll see you soon,’” he added.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/11/...ee-agency.html

Good shit.
He turned down Pop (and playing next to Leonard by extension) as well and definitely showed up to play the Spurs.
Good for him.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Good shit.
He turned down Pop (and playing next to Leonard by extension) as well and definitely showed up to play the Spurs.
Good for him.

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It's a little interesting decision by him... If he would of performed there like he's doing with Orlando he could of really cashed in on a short term deal. And I say that as confident as he is he didn't bet on himself like some other players might of. But I get it. He played it safe and went where he did. Showed a lot of character and he stayed true to himself. Leaving for Cleveland would of been a sellout type move but good for him. He's a good guy imo

Raymond got Durbeta but LeBron couldn’t get Simmons. Go figure.

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It's a little interesting decision by him... If he would of performed there like he's doing with Orlando he could of really cashed in on a short term deal. And I say that as confident as he is he didn't bet on himself like some other players might of. But I get it. He played it safe and went where he did. Showed a lot of character and he stayed true to himself. Leaving for Cleveland would of been a sellout type move but good for him. He's a good guy imo

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He is playing like that in orlando because he is getting consustent minutes and a consistent role...he doesnt have to worry about being benched for games on emd because of sonething pop didnt like...thatd what everyone is missing...nba players go off rhythm and consistency

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Originally Posted by TheDoctor

Raymond got Durbeta but LeBron couldn’t get Simmons. Go figure.

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Raymond got Durbeta by posting a photo of his undersized manhood on Snapchat. Shit like that won't work with Simmons.

Still hurts

PATFO tsc tsc tsc....

LeBron gives Murray the seal of approval, yet he's getting hated on in the other threads :cry

LeBron also wanted that idiot JR Smith, and the vastly overpaid one trick pony Tristan Thompson. He’s pretty much responsible for the mess that is their roster.

Simmons’ defense and explosiveness would help against Dubs. He took the safer route. Cash in now and work on his game more. His work ethic and character would get him there. I think he is another Scola ST would be talking a long time :lol

It was always about the dollars with him. No problem with that given his situation. LBJ backstabbing teammates all the time...giving out JR Smith minutes like candy

Maybe LeBron should have wanted Kyrie Irving.

All I read is he was going to get more money.

"I have a family".. ok Latrell :lol

LeGM > PATFO, tbh. If LeGOAT was running the Spurs, he would have shipped Porker's ass out and you wouldn't be light three.

Let's stop acting as if it was ONLY about money... If we paid him more, but continued to bench him for pops pet peeves, no player wants that... Players want a combination of respect and money... He didn't feel wanted or respected by the coach... So he went elsewhere... Our FO and Pop ain't perfect

Rudy Gay is better for the Spurs

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Rudy Gay is better for the Spurs

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I’d rather have both

PATF:lol

Simmons is a good guy, glad to see he's having success in Orlando. Wish he was still on the Spurs but he was a little less consistent than I would've liked out of a guy who wants to take his game to the next level. I really hope he can become a star in this league, although idk if there's really a store like that that's ever happened.

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

I’d rather have both

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I don't think that would be possible.

At least we held on to Patty for 50 mil...otherwise, he'd be averaging 30 PPG with the Sixers, tbh.

I don't know that Simmons can really become a star. A fairly quality starting wing, sure that's possible but I see him mostly as a role player who is kind of the driver of a second unit than a star or starter.

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Originally Posted by SpurPadre

At least we held on to Patty for 50 mil...otherwise, he'd be averaging 30 PPG with the Sixers, tbh.

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Party Patty Filthy Fifty Milli Mills starting got us the 3rd seed.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I don't think that would be possible.

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Why not? Just don’t sign Patty. Or either no Gasol and just signed some cheaper big men like Joffrey and Willie Reed at the time.

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

Why not? Just don’t sign Patty. Or either no Gasol and just signed some cheaper big men like Joffrey and Willie Reed at the time.

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We'll you obviously don'r watch basketball because Patty and Pau were top 5 players in that houston series.

Big time players. And they got paid like it.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

LeBron also wanted that idiot JR Smith, and the vastly overpaid one trick pony Tristan Thompson. He’s pretty much responsible for the mess that is their roster.

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Wasn't LeGM a huge supporter of Boobie Gibson? I believe he works at Dairy Queen now

lol at anyone that buys this crap

If Cleveland would have offered the same money that the Magic offered, Simmons would be a Cavalier right now. :lol

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Originally Posted by Gagnrath

I don't know that Simmons can really become a star. A fairly quality starting wing, sure that's possible but I see him mostly as a role player who is kind of the driver of a second unit than a star or starter.

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598%ts elite efficiency (with 11 fga), this is very good

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Rudy Gay is better for the Spurs

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yep

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

I’d rather have both

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indeed.

i wanted simmons back not only because he was a fan favorite but because after leonard went down in the PO, he and anderson were the only spurs to show up. got love for patty but not $50m worth and not when murray is projected as heir apparent soon enough.

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Originally Posted by dabom

We'll you obviously don'r watch basketball because Patty and Pau were top 5 players in that houston series.

Big time players. And they got paid like it.

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Well you obviously don’t understand what “not possible” means. Because I clearly just stated a possibility. I didn’t say we should have done that instead. I stated a possibility of where it would have been possible. Simple as that.

dabom or here’s a better idea.. how about just signing them for LESS each. Still possible.

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

I’d rather have both

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I would rather have Brandon a.k.a "better than Simmons" Paul.

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

dabom or here’s a better idea.. how about just signing them for LESS each. Still possible.

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We needed those guys. Anything less and we lose them.

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Originally Posted by dabom

We needed those guys. Anything less and we lose them.

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Its a damn shame Pau has that type of contract tho. I wouldn’t pay any 37 yr old that money unless it was Lebron. Just the age itself is a risk. But I would still rather have found a way to have both but I like our chances with a fully healthy squad

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Originally Posted by DAF86

I would rather have Brandon a.k.a "better than Simmons" Paul.

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I like Paul. Glad to know he’s a good 3 & D player but I did like the driving ability and athleticism Simmons brought. And I always believed having a guy like that(athletic plays) helps energize a team. Especially when you’re not a very athletic team.

Leroids has recruited 90% of nba players tbqh

Hes the town hooker of the nba

He even blew Dick Jefferson for him going to cavs

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Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24

I like Paul. Glad to know he’s a good 3 & D player but I did like the driving ability and athleticism Simmons brought. And I always believed having a guy like that(athletic plays) helps energize a team. Especially when you’re not a very athletic team.

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Paul is pretty athletic himself, and he's a more polished playmaker than Simmons ever was during his stint in SA. Paul in little time has shown a couple of perfectly executed pick and rolls that Simmons didn't show in 3 years. Simmons was all slashing with crappy results more times than not.

Tbh the Latrell Spreewellian similarities of his comments is all the insight we needed to know to understand where his mind was during free-agent negotiations. The Spurs are better off without that type of drama in the locker-room. All the best of luck to Simmons in Orlando - but good riddance.

Like Gay and Paul more than Juice, wish him the best though, cool dude

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Paul is pretty athletic himself, and he's a more polished playmaker than Simmons ever was during his stint in SA. Paul in little time has shown a couple of perfectly executed pick and rolls that Simmons didn't show in 3 years. Simmons was all slashing with crappy results more times than not.

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lol...dude...look at their passing stats...you're spreading fake news

if Paul were playing for us right now like how simmons is playing for the magic, we would be begging for him to start...but since simmons isnt here, paul is somehow better? lolol

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lol...dude...look at their passing stats...you're spreading fake news

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What would be the "passing stats"? :lol

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Originally Posted by NameLess Scrub

All I read is he was going to get more money.

"I have a family".. ok Latrell :lol

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Latrell said that after he made tons of money. Simmons is just starting make some good money.

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Originally Posted by jbspurs

Latrell said that after he made tons of money. Simmons is just starting make some good money.

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Agreed.

Still absurd and disrespectful to the working people who actually struggle to support their families.

Good for him, but at this point, he's set wherever he goes.

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

598%ts elite efficiency (with 11 fga), this is very good

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Brandon Paul has a 62.9 TS%.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Brandon Paul has a 62.9 TS%.

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and? you're not a troll, so I'm sure there's something else to add to that comment

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Originally Posted by DAF86

I would rather have Brandon a.k.a "better than Simmons" Paul.

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Still sticking by this shit take in typical FAP fashion :lol

Your boy can't even climb over Forbes in the rotation

The man does have to feed his family :violin :rollin

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Still sticking by this shit take in typical FAP fashion :lol

Your boy can't even climb over Forbes in the rotation

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This season's Forbes > Simmons.

Perimeter role players that shoot like shit suck, son.

Fucking Dedmon has developed a better jumper than Latrell Simmons, let that sink in for a moment. :lol

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Originally Posted by DAF86

This season's Forbes > Simmons.

Perimeter role players that shoot like shit suck, son.

Fucking Dedmon has developed a better jumper than Latrell Simmons, let that sink in for a moment. :lol

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Are we talking about Ben Simmons or Jonathon Simmons? :lol

Because Jonathon is shooting 39.4% from deep this year in nearly twice the attempts from last season.

If you want to talk about scrubs that can't shoot, you don't have to look further more than your boy Ginose... who's at 20.0%

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Are we talking about Ben Simmons or Jonathon Simmons? :lol

Because Jonathon is shooting 39.4% from deep this year in nearly twice the attempts from last season.

If you want to talk about scrubs that can't shoot, you don't have to look further more than your boy Ginose... who's at 20.0%

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Gino is on the team at a bargain amount this season. $2.5 million is change compared to his contributions... Besides not all contributions are captured by the stats... two of the games he sat out in (including the romp of the Bulls a few days ago) tend to be stat equalizing games. In other words, some of the other Spurs players get a chance to stat pad their overall stats against bad teams. Gino, because of Pop's resting regiment doesn't get that chance to partake in the boosts.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Gino is on the team at a bargain amount this season. $2.5 million is change compared to his contributions... Besides not all contributions are captured by the stats... two of the games he sat out in (including the romp of the Bulls a few days ago) tend to be stat equalizing games. In other words, some of the other Spurs players get a chance to stat pad their overall stats against bad teams. Gino, because of Pop's resting regiment doesn't get that chance to partake in the boosts.

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I could give two shits about his salary. Him shooting threes might as well count as a turnover, something he's an expert at, and until he stops shooting or improves then he will be rightfully criticized.

20.0% is 20.0%

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

I could give two shits about his salary. Him shooting threes might as well count as a turnover, something he's an expert at, and until he stops shooting or improves then he will be rightfully criticized.

20.0% is 20.0%

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That's just it... you will find something to nitpick EVEN WHEN he plays well. Your hatred against him is non-sensical at this point.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Are we talking about Ben Simmons or Jonathon Simmons? :lol

Because Jonathon is shooting 39.4% from deep this year in nearly twice the attempts from last season.

If you want to talk about scrubs that can't shoot, you don't have to look further more than your boy Ginose... who's at 20.0%

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The fuck? I checked his numbers last seek and he was shooting 25%. He must have had a couple of fluke shooting games, tbh. Anyway, I will take the L on this one like the gentleman that I am. :lol

Anyway x2, let's wait 'till the end of the season. If he can mantain this, then he was definitely worth keeping.

He was worth keeping, but he didn't want to come back. Money might have been a factor and I think his expectations originally were unreasonable, but when he came back down to earth from what he expected, he decided on his own that he wanted to chase greener pastures elsewhere. And that is that. It's pointless to be whining about a guy who didn't want to come back and is happy where he is...
that is unless guy is a troll.. which TGY is.

I understand fans miss him. I think he could have helped the Spurs this season, but he chose to move on and Spurs have move on.

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and? you're not a troll, so I'm sure there's something else to add to that comment

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The obvious, yet unstated ‘and’ is that Paul’s TS% is higher. You posted Simmons TS%, and I riposted with Paul’s.
He’s a better shooter, a FAR better defender, and a couple of years younger, to boot.

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He was worth keeping, but he didn't want to come back. Money might have been a factor and I think his expectations originally were unreasonable, but when he came back down to earth from what he expected, he decided on his own that he wanted to chase greener pastures elsewhere. And that is that. It's pointless to be whining about a guy who didn't want to come back and is happy where he is...
that is unless guy is a troll.. which TGY is.

I understand fans miss him. I think he could have helped the Spurs this season, but he chose to move on and Spurs have move on.

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No.... WE didn't respect or want Simmons

I tried to tell y'all about Simmons...

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Originally Posted by exstatic

The obvious, yet unstated ‘and’ is that Paul’s TS% is higher. You posted Simmons TS%, and I riposted with Paul’s.
He’s a better shooter, a FAR better defender, and a couple of years younger, to boot.

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these statements are based on what?

ps: the difference of fga and importance in their respective teams makes the comparison of ts meaningless.

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

these statements are based on what?

ps: the difference of fga and importance in their respective teams makes the comparison of ts meaningless.

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Paul defensive box plus minus 0.5
Simmons defensive box plus minus -1.6

Paul 11 steals 2 blocks 215 minutes
Simmons 12 steals 1block 380 minutes

The shooting statement is backed by their TS%s, which you brought into the discussion. It’s also usage neutral. You shoot what you shoot.

Paul is FAR better in his limited bench role than Simmons ever was as a Spur. It’s harder to put up good shooting %s in more limited minutes. Some can, some can’t.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Paul defensive box plus minus 0.5
Simmons defensive box plus minus -1.6

Paul 11 steals 2 blocks 215 minutes
Simmons 12 steals 1block 380 minutes

The shooting statement is backed by their TS%s, which you brought into the discussion. It’s also usage neutral. You shoot what you shoot.

Paul is FAR better in his limited bench role than Simmons ever was as a Spur. It’s harder to put up good shooting %s in more limited minutes. Some can, some can’t.

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steals and blocks per minute? using bpm early in the season to prove something? lmao


Simmons really has a really important role in his team, he's the 6th man and he's offensively at the elite level with that role so far (his fga has enough volume for his to have any real value) by comparing Paul and his virtually nonexistent role is ridiculous and stating that Paul is a better defender with 10 league games only in spurstalk


ps: I really hope he's better than Simmons (which I doubt), but stating that he's better than Simmons at something at the moment makes no sense at all

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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac

steals and blocks per minute? using bpm early in the season to prove something? lmao


Simmons really has a really important role in his team, he's the 6th man and he's offensively at the elite level with that role so far (his fga has enough volume for his to have any real value) by comparing Paul and his virtually nonexistent role is ridiculous and stating that Paul is a better defender with 10 league games only in spurstalk


ps: I really hope he's better than Simmons (which I doubt), but stating that he's better than Simmons at something at the moment makes no sense at all

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They don't get it

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

That's just it... you will find something to nitpick EVEN WHEN he plays well. Your hatred against him is non-sensical at this point.

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It makes perfect sense once you realize that he's a Porker fluffer who's jealous of the facts that Manu is and has always been the better player, the greater Spur, and is still contributing at age 40 while Porker's already done at age 35.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Good shit.
He turned down Pop (and playing next to Leonard by extension) as well and definitely showed up to play the Spurs.
Good for him.

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No. Simmons was prepared to stay in SA. This is well documented. Poop chose Mills instead.

His lock-on defense is what Cavs need. But I don’t think he’d get the same playing time as he’s getting in Orlando.

I like Simmons, I said earlier I think he can be a quality rotation player and efficient driver of a bench unit, on a decent team. Thing is the Spurs didn't need Khawi, Gay, Ginobli, Green, Anderson, to all fill the wing role. I get with the Spurs 2s and 3s can be interchangeable, but Simmons had hit a point where he either needed to be paid as a major part of the Spurs future (eh I am not sure) or take a $3 mil per year contract with the Spurs calling it developmental.). He didn't want to bet on himself and his health with a 1 year deal at that and with Mills Gasols contracts he has a hard time accepting 3.5 mil for one year. He couldn't get what he was really worth and wanting with the Spurs because of other contact situations.

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I like Simmons, I said earlier I think he can be a quality rotation player and efficient driver of a bench unit, on a decent team. Thing is the Spurs didn't need Khawi, Gay, Ginobli, Green, Anderson, to all fill the wing role. I get with the Spurs 2s and 3s can be interchangeable, but Simmons had hit a point where he either needed to be paid as a major part of the Spurs future (eh I am not sure) or take a $3 mil per year contract with the Spurs calling it developmental.). He didn't want to bet on himself and his health with a 1 year deal at that and with Mills Gasols contracts he has a hard time accepting 3.5 mil for one year. He couldn't get what he was really worth and wanting with the Spurs because of other contact situations.

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Gino's is retiring... Kyle is very unproven... There was room to bring him back... Pop didn't think he was good enough, based on how he played him in the regular season... Pop was wrong again on this one... Bad call not paying Simmons in order to overpay Gasol and mills... We let another good player slip through the cracks

How is he playing now. Looks like Orlando is coming back down and starting to lose games. Is Simmons still playing well?

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Originally Posted by Ice009

How is he playing now. Looks like Orlando is coming back down and starting to lose games. Is Simmons still playing well?

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Raw numbers look good, but advanced stats don't favour him. VORP: 0.0 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: -1.9 - BPM: -1.7.

Just to take the reference of a guy whose raw numbers aren't looking all that good but every non hater guy here realizes that he's been doing great, let's look at Kyle advanced stats. VORP: 0.6 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 2.8 - BPM: 2.9

So yeah, empty calories Simmons.

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Raw numbers look good, but advanced stats don't favour him. VORP: 0.0 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: -1.9 - BPM: -1.7.

Just to take the reference of a guy whose raw numbers aren't looking all that good but every non hater guy here realizes that he's been doing great, let's look at Kyle advanced stats. VORP: 0.6 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 2.8 - BPM: 2.9

So yeah, empty calories Simmons.

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In before r0drig0lac tells you your advanced stats are empty calories.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Raw numbers look good, but advanced stats don't favour him. VORP: 0.0 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: -1.9 - BPM: -1.7.

Just to take the reference of a guy whose raw numbers aren't looking all that good but every non hater guy here realizes that he's been doing great, let's look at Kyle advanced stats. VORP: 0.6 - OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 2.8 - BPM: 2.9

So yeah, empty calories Simmons.

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But u do realize Kyle is playing on a good team, so those numbers specifically will be skewed, right? Not to mention he plays on the bench with worse players around him... Kyle is starting with much better players surrounding him... I guarantee Simmons would be better if they switched roles right now

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But u do realize Kyle is playing on a good team, so those numbers specifically will be skewed, right? Not to mention he plays on the bench with worse players around him... Kyle is starting with much better players surrounding him... I guarantee Simmons would be better if they switched roles right now

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good luck trying to contextualize things around here, people only understand what they want to understand

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But u do realize Kyle is playing on a good team, so those numbers specifically will be skewed, right? Not to mention he plays on the bench with worse players around him... Kyle is starting with much better players surrounding him... I guarantee Simmons would be better if they switched roles right now

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good luck trying to contextualize things around here, people only understand what they want to understand

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Simmons had even shittier numbers last season on a 60 wins Spurs team.

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Simmons had even shittier numbers last season on a 60 wins Spurs team.

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Yup, I think Anderson is a much more valuable player. He can do a lot more things and is more versatile. Simmons is a scorer and will get a lot of airplay cause he does flashy things, but Anderson is low key a baller. Simmons can only find shots for himself in pnr situations imo and Anderson consistently looks for others. Factor in Anderson's d, length, and better ball handling skills and he's just a better ball player. Simmons will have his moments but slowmo is like the tortoise to Simmons hare. Kyle should age pretty well since he doesn't rely on any kind of elite athleticism but I'm getting ahead of myself. Want to see Anderson continue to develop. Very interested to see what he primes' out at. Pop already saying he's got to find a way to fit him in says it all.

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Yup, I think Anderson is a much more valuable player. He can do a lot more things and is more versatile. Simmons is a scorer and will get a lot of airplay cause he does flashy things, but Anderson is low key a baller. Simmons can only find shots for himself in pnr situations imo and Anderson consistently looks for others. Factor in Anderson's d, length, and better ball handling skills and he's just a better ball player. Simmons will have his moments but slowmo is like the tortoise to Simmons hare. Kyle should age pretty well since he doesn't rely on any kind of elite athleticism but I'm getting ahead of myself. Want to see Anderson continue to develop. Very interested to see what he primes' out at. Pop already saying he's got to find a way to fit him in says it all.

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Anderson consistently looks for others, yet Simmons averaged more assists per game... The logic is amazing

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Anderson consistently looks for others, yet Simmons averaged more assists per game... The logic is amazing

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stats or it didn't happen

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Originally Posted by exstatic

In before r0drig0lac tells you your advanced stats are empty calories.

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:lol

What are Simmons' raw numbers? Magic look like they're fading after that hot start. Anyone watched any of their games? Is he playing well?

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What are Simmons' raw numbers? Magic look like they're fading after that hot start. Anyone watched any of their games? Is he playing well?

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I've been casually keeping up with him but the last couple games I've seen from him were pretty ho hum compared to the fast start he had...

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Originally Posted by Ice009

What are Simmons' raw numbers? Magic look like they're fading after that hot start. Anyone watched any of their games? Is he playing well?

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14 ppg, 2 apg, 3rpg,50 FG%, 38 3PT%, 76 FT% on 25 mpg.

Pretty solid, I don't know how he has such bad advanced metrics. Apparently he has been sucking on D.

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14 ppg, 2 apg, 3rpg,50 FG%, 38 3PT%, 76 FT% on 25 mpg.

Pretty solid, I don't know how he has such bad advanced metrics. Apparently he has been sucking on D.

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They have lost 6 games in a row and have been outscored when he's played. He doesn't have enough of the "hustle stats" (too low % on rebounds, blocks or steals, and not a factor defensively). However, basketball is a team sport if they start winning he will bounce back.

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Originally Posted by raybies

stats or it didn't happen

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Dude...check basketball reference...look at their last year stats...simmons averaged more assists...yall overrate kyles passing BIG time

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Dude...check basketball reference...look at their last year stats...simmons averaged more assists...yall overrate kyles passing BIG time

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Dude, Simmons played more real games than kyle did. Kyle was also off the ball a lot with very little playmaking opportunities. Look at their stats this season when Kyle is a rotation player.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Dude, Simmons played more real games than kyle did. Kyle was also off the ball a lot with very little playmaking opportunities. Look at their stats this season when Kyle is a rotation player.

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So the games kyle played in last year were fake ones? Wtf is a real game? And what does thst have to do with simmons getting more assists per game?

Also kyle plays with better players in our starting lineuo than simmons does on the bench of the magic...lol...dude even plays less minutes...

Led his team in scoring against the Celtics. Magic are just trash. Especially that bush head Payton

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Dude...check basketball reference...look at their last year stats...simmons averaged more assists...yall overrate kyles passing BIG time

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I did check and compared this year. This year they are both getting minutes with better sample size. I recommend you check these stats and let me know what you see...

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I did check and compared this year. This year they are both getting minutes with better sample size. I recommend you check these stats and let me know what you see...

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i know the stats...on the SAME TEAM with the SAME ROLE last year, Simmons was the better passer...so why does anderson get praised for being the better passer? fake news! this yeas simmons in playing on a worse team with worse coaching, AND coming off the bench...he has MUCH less to work with than kyle does...

Jesus. Simmons is shy of 30 years old. He's got a couple years left maybe. Fathead is still a work in progress, we'll see.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

i know the stats...on the SAME TEAM with the SAME ROLE last year, Simmons was the better passer...so why does anderson get praised for being the better passer? fake news! this yeas simmons in playing on a worse team with worse coaching, AND coming off the bench...he has MUCH less to work with than kyle does...

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Jesus, you’re dumb. They did NOT have the same role last year. Kyle played almost exclusively OFF the ball his whole Spurs career until this year. Jonathon had the ball in his hands in a bench creator role.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Jesus, you’re dumb. They did NOT have the same role last year. Kyle played almost exclusively OFF the ball his whole Spurs career until this year. Jonathon had the ball in his hands in a bench creator role.

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And they still had the same assists per 36 last season.

they are not really comparable players

Duncan2K5 has some separation anxiety.
He should follow the Magic at this rate and become a true JSimms fan. Whining here when he’s no longer in the team, there’s no point. You are a fan of JSimms go watch the Magic tbh.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Duncan2K5 has some separation anxiety.
He should follow the Magic at this rate and become a true JSimms fan. Whining here when he’s no longer in the team, there’s no point. You are a fan of JSimms go watch the Magic tbh.

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Watched their last 3 or 4 games. He's the definition of empty calories and the advanced stats clearly show it.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

Led his team in scoring against the Celtics. Magic are just trash. Especially that bush head Payton

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Yet, no matter how good his numbers look the dude finishes everysingle game -20 something, by far the worst of the team. At some point you gotta consider the possibility of that not being a coincidence.

I haven't watch a Magic game outside of the Spurs game with them, but I might be changing my mind on Simmons. It seems like he's a me first player and person. He may have great raw numbers, but it doesn't look like he's playing winning basketball when looking at those other numbers. It looks like he's out for his own.

I still would have liked him back, especially for the same or similar amount of money he got, but now I think I'm going to conclude that it's not a Stephen Jackson situation like in 2003 where I was still mad about letting him walk for years after he left.