Rank the Spurs FA's Offseason Priorities...

As of today, Who are you prioritizing and why? Bonus points if you can give some salary ranges. Who can we realistically afford or who should we keep and who should we let walk? Who's skillset is most valuable overall or to our team?

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Player	Pos	Team	Season	Age	YOS	Veteran FA Status	GP	PTS	REB	AST	PER	Agent
Kyle Anderson	PF	SAN	2018-2019	24	4	Bird	23	8.87	5.96	3.04	16.58	Thaddeus Foucher
Davis Bertans	SF/PF	SAN	2018-2019	25	2	Early Bird	21	3.76	1.14	0.48	15.68	Chris Patrick
Bryn Forbes	G	SAN	2018-2019	24	2	Early Bird	25	6.56	1.32	0.80	10.75	Michael Lindeman
Rudy Gay	SF	SAN	2018-2019	31	12	Non-Bird	23	12.17	5.35	1.74	18.74	Roger Montgomery
Danny Green	SG	SAN	2018-2019	31	9	Bird	24	9.67	4.00	2.08	12.28	Bill Duffy
Joffrey Lauvergne	PF	SAN	2018-2019	26	4	Non-Bird	12	3.50	3.58	0.75	11.05	Jeff Schwartz Pedja Materic
Tony Parker	PG	SAN	2018-2019	36	17	Bird	5	8.20	2.00	5.00	20.00	Steven Heumann

Is the season over already? That was fast.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

Is the season over already? That was fast.

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speculation is one of my favorite parts about watching sports.... Was hoping to build a catalog of information as the season went a long I guess to remember how Forbes and Bertans ranked early as opposed to later. Bertans play may affect whether we sign KA back or not imo. Bryn on the other hand affects White's playing time and could slide in next to Mills next season if Manu retires, yet we still have Paul... pardon my reach here

Danny Green, Rudy Gay, Tony Parker.

It's a given we keep DG and TP.

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Originally Posted by dabom

It's a given we keep DG and TP.

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I just don't know how Murray fits into this. With Patty and TP back does he play rest games etc. But yeah you are right. Green, Gay, and Parker. What do you think about the RFA's?

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Originally Posted by raybies

I just don't know how Murray fits into this. With Patty and TP back does he play rest games etc. But yeah you are right. Green, Gay, and Parker. What do you think about the RFA's?

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KA wins games in the RS but not playoffs. Forbes looks good but doesn't have any good playoff showings. KA 5mil per for 3 years. Anything more and he can be replaced. Forbes is probably gonna leave though. Unless he gets something like 3mil per for 3 years. Anything more and he gets dropped.

I am going to seem completely ignorant here (nothing new, I guess) but I didn't think Davis and Bryn were going to be restricted FAs. I thought that only applied to first round draft picks. Davis was a second and Bryn undrafted (I think). Please correct me if I am wrong.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

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Originally Posted by dabom

KA wins games in the RS but not playoffs. Forbes looks good but doesn't have any good playoff showings. KA 5mil per for 3 years. Anything more and he can be replaced. Forbes is probably gonna leave though. Unless he gets something like 3mil per for 3 years. Anything more and he gets dropped.

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As of now, Forbes is next in line for the Ginobili spot next to Mills. KA's playmaking makes him a good fit for the bench next to Mills and Forbes. Gay should be there too. I don't think he's raised his value that much and most contenders won't have the money. If he's wise he stays. So I guess that leaves out Bertans. I guess Gay could playmake for the second unit. He's been starting to play the pnr so I guess that could give Bertans a chance.

It'll be interesting to see if Bertans can shake things up and make it tough on Pop. KA will have his spot but Bertans can have his say. Bertans when on is a complete game changer. The guy is like a rich man's Bonner when on, but he has potential to be what we always wanted the Red Rocket to be in the playoffs. I doubt Gay loses his minutes.

DG has a player option next year. Why the fuck are people bitching so much. :lol

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Originally Posted by BillMc

I am going to seem completely ignorant here (nothing new, I guess) but I didn't think Davis and Bryn were going to be restricted FAs. I thought that only applied to first round draft picks. Davis was a second and Bryn undrafted (I think). Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Only been in league for two years, so they’re RFAs. First round picks are a different case - because their deals are 2 + 2 team options, year 5 becomes restricted FA. For second rounders, they can actually hit UFA earlier ... see when the Rockets passed on Parsons’ fourth year option to keep him restricted vs. having him go unrestricted after four.

Anderson is an RFA this offseason. Assuming options are picked up, Murray is under control before RFA for two years after this.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

I am going to seem completely ignorant here (nothing new, I guess) but I didn't think Davis and Bryn were going to be restricted FAs. I thought that only applied to first round draft picks. Davis was a second and Bryn undrafted (I think). Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Chinook would know best, but all rookies regardless of age are RFA's after first deal if I'm not mistaken. But this table was pulled from RealGM

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Originally Posted by dabom

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

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Thanks. :toast

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Originally Posted by cjw

Only been in league for two years, so they’re RFAs. First round picks are a different case - because their deals are 2 + 2 team options, year 5 becomes restricted FA. For second rounders, they can actually hit UFA earlier ... see when the Rockets passed on Parsons’ fourth year option to keep him restricted vs. having him go unrestricted after four.

Anderson is an RFA this offseason. Assuming options are picked up, Murray is under control before RFA for two years after this.

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thanks

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Originally Posted by raybies

As of now, Forbes is next in line for the Ginobili spot next to Mills. KA's playmaking makes him a good fit for the bench next to Mills and Forbes. Gay should be there too. I don't think he's raised his value that much and most contenders won't have the money. If he's wise he stays. So I guess that leaves out Bertans. I guess Gay could playmake for the second unit. He's been starting to play the pnr so I guess that could give Bertans a chance.

It'll be interesting to see if Bertans can shake things up and make it tough on Pop. KA will have his spot but Bertans can have his say. Bertans when on is a complete game changer. The guy is like a rich man's Bonner when on, but he has potential to be what we always wanted the Red Rocket to be in the playoffs. I doubt Gay loses his minutes.

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I don't think Forbes is our Manu replacement. Or even position next to Mills. Manu brings running the offense. Something forbes lacks considerably. We technical have the money to keep all the players except 2. Fathead and forbes aren't playoff game changers. I would keep fathead over forbes though.

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Originally Posted by dabom

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio_spurs/

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So how much does that give us to resign our players? like 15-18 mill right? not counting Danny's, Gay's and Joff's cash I think Danny and Gay exercise their option but I think Joff opts out

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Originally Posted by BillMc

I am going to seem completely ignorant here (nothing new, I guess) but I didn't think Davis and Bryn were going to be restricted FAs. I thought that only applied to first round draft picks. Davis was a second and Bryn undrafted (I think). Please correct me if I am wrong.

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They're going to be Arenas free agents and yes - restricted - absolutely the same case as Simmons.

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Originally Posted by cjw

Only been in league for two years, so they’re RFAs. First round picks are a different case - because their deals are 2 + 2 team options, year 5 becomes restricted FA. For second rounders, they can actually hit UFA earlier ... see when the Rockets passed on Parsons’ fourth year option to keep him restricted vs. having him go unrestricted after four.

Anderson is an RFA this offseason. Assuming options are picked up, Murray is under control before RFA for two years after this.

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Originally Posted by raybies

Chinook would know best, but all rookies regardless of age are RFA's after first deal if I'm not mistaken. But this table was pulled from RealGM

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Many thanks guys.

Truthfully, I'm not too worried about Green and Tony as the FO always finds ways to keep "their" guys. Tony is definitely one and I think Danny is as well at this point.

I'd hate to see Rudy go but if Spurs have a big postseason run he'll almost certainly have to have really contributed, and then he'll have a higher market ceiling. Wouldn't want to lose any of Anderson, Bertans, or Forbes, but I'm sure at least 1 will be gone. Joff is a journeyman. His type are easily found. He'd be the lowest priority even with the team's lack of big depth.

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Originally Posted by dabom

I don't think Forbes is our Manu replacement. Or even position next to Mills. Manu brings running the offense. Something forbes lacks considerably. We technical have the money to keep all the players except 2. Fathead and forbes aren't playoff game changers. I would keep fathead over forbes though.

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Well before this season Forbes only played well in garbage time. This year he took the leap by performing in meaningful rotation minutes. I think it's reasonable that he performs well in the post season next year if he doesn't do well this year. If bombs out in the playoffs he should be cheaper. But compared the guy to Curry lol so who knows how much Pop wants him.

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Originally Posted by raybies

So how much does that give us to resign our players? like 15-18 mill right? not counting Danny's, Gay's and Joff's cash I think Danny and Gay exercise their option but I think Joff opts out

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It all depends who does well in the playoffs. Expect Gay to get a raise though.

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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan

They're going to be Arenas free agents and yes - restricted - absolutely the same case as Simmons.

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Thanks. :toast

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Originally Posted by raybies

Well before this season Forbes only played well in garbage time. This year he took the leap by performing in meaningful rotation minutes. I think it's reasonable that he performs well in the post season next year if he doesn't do well this year. If bombs out in the playoffs he should be cheaper. But compared the guy to Curry lol so who knows how much Pop wants him.

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But your not saying who we keep or who we don't. How about you elaborate.

I value all 3 of Davis Kyle and Bryn bc this team just cannot keep getting the heck older around Kawhi each season, signing up all the guys who are 30 and older to multiple year contracts while ditching the best crop of young players they have developed since Kawhi, Danny, and Mills were in their initial contracts a few years ago. So, they need to retain some guys from this generation. They also don’t have capspace to go shopping in FA so signing back their best young players is the only way to keep continuity and youth around Kawhi. It’s still early in the season but all 3 have contributed to wins.

I do think one of either Davis or Kyle may be gone if Rudy stays. There’s just not sufficient available playing time for all 3 in a healthy roster when the team has Kawhi and Lamarcus as their best players occupying the forwards spots and Pop still starts Gasol and likes to play 2 big combos and 2 microguard combos at times (though this may be a result of injuries). I think all 3 are okay with being bench players in a good team, but Kyle expressed he doesn’t want to go back to playing limited minutes at this point in his career and I bet Bertans doesn’t feel any different. I keep thinking one of these 3 won’t be back.

Tony and Danny are going to be back but Tony’s contract should be smaller.

Danny is an enigma to me in $ terms. An argument can be made that he’s more valuable than Mills and should get comparable compensation. I find it difficult to even suggest he give a discount. Considering the trade rumors, should he be leaving money to sign someone younger who is due for a payday? Maybe not. The trade rumors situation just places Danny in a new perspective. Maybe he wants to ensure that if he were to get traded at least he’s well compensated. It’s also probably his last big deal.

Joff is a replacement level player in a minimum deal. It doesn’t matter what he does (picking his option or not).

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Originally Posted by BillMc

Many thanks guys.

Truthfully, I'm not too worried about Green and Tony as the FO always finds ways to keep "their" guys. Tony is definitely one and I think Danny is as well at this point.

I'd hate to see Rudy go but if Spurs have a big postseason run he'll almost certainly have to have really contributed, and then he'll have a higher market ceiling. Wouldn't want to lose any of Anderson, Bertans, or Forbes, but I'm sure at least 1 will be gone. Joff is a journeyman. His type are easily found. He'd be the lowest priority even with the team's lack of big depth.

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Yup spot on. Tony and Green would get taken care of. Danny is the prototypical 3 and D in the league and he's a Spur. He already sacrificed once, so I have no doubt he would do it again. He should look to secure a longer bag at about the same price 3 years. Tony is the question mark. How much will he get?

As for Rudy, you are right, but not many teams have the money that would be worth the move for him. He wants to win and he's been a pretty solid fit he while it was hard to believe at first. He's been efficient. I think he gives the star power that this team needs, even on a diminished role. If he waits one more year, I think we can take care of him.

I agree about Anderson, Davis and Forbes though. Hate to lose one but they could all be in line for a raise. The Detroits of the world will make sure of that.

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Originally Posted by dabom

But your not saying who we keep or who we don't. How about you elaborate.

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I'd rather play the field lol

but I think Forbes and Bertans make the offense more explosive, Kyle can playmake. It's just tough. I guess I want to talk about it more before I release my first ballot.

Danny/Gay/Parker tier 1 no order

dang dude I like all three of our restricted free agents. They have all put in some serious work. I hate to choose...................

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I value all 3 of Davis Kyle and Bryn bc this team just cannot keep getting the heck older around Kawhi each season, signing up all the guys who are 30 and older to multiple year contracts while ditching the best crop of young players they have developed since Kawhi, Danny, and Mills were in their initial contracts a few years ago. So, they need to retain some guys from this generation. They also don’t have capspace to go shopping in FA so signing back their best young players is the only way to keep continuity and youth around Kawhi. It’s still early in the season but all 3 have contributed to wins.

I do think one of either Davis or Kyle may be gone if Rudy stays. There’s just not sufficient available playing time for all 3 in a healthy roster when the team has Kawhi and Lamarcus as their best players occupying the forwards spots and Pop still starts Gasol and likes to play 2 big combos and 2 microguard combos at times (though this may be a result of injuries). I think all 3 are okay with being bench players in a good team, but Kyle expressed he doesn’t want to go back to playing limited minutes at this point in his career and I bet Bertans doesn’t feel any different. I keep thinking one of these 3 won’t be back.

Tony and Danny are going to be back but Tony’s contract should be smaller.

Danny is an enigma to me in $ terms. An argument can be made that he’s more valuable than Mills and should get comparable compensation. I find it difficult to even suggest he give a discount. Considering the trade rumors, should he be leaving money to sign someone younger who is due for a payday? Maybe not. The trade rumors situation just places Danny in a new perspective. Maybe he wants to ensure that if he were to get traded at least he’s well compensated. It’s also probably his last big deal.

Joff is a replacement level player in a minimum deal. It doesn’t matter what he does (picking his option or not).

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Solid post.

That's what I'm afraid of. Gonna be interesting to see how they play with pressure of performing. Should make for a better squad though.

But I'm getting attached to this team. It's one of the more funner rosters we've had imo

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Originally Posted by raybies

I'd rather play the field lol

but I think Forbes and Bertans make the offense more explosive, Kyle can playmake. It's just tough. I guess I want to talk about it more before I release my first ballot.

Danny/Gay/Parker tier 1 no order

dang dude I like all three of our restricted free agents. They have all put in some serious work. I hate to choose...................

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If we keep any of those players, it's in this order.

1. KA
2. Forbes
3. Bertans

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Originally Posted by dabom

If we keep any of those players, it's in this order.

1. KA
2. Forbes
3. Bertans

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:pop: i love me some stretch four

As of now, I think you may be right though

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

I value all 3 of Davis Kyle and Bryn bc this team just cannot keep getting the heck older around Kawhi each season, signing up all the guys who are 30 and older to multiple year contracts while ditching the best crop of young players they have developed since Kawhi, Danny, and Mills were in their initial contracts a few years ago. So, they need to retain some guys from this generation. They also don’t have capspace to go shopping in FA so signing back their best young players is the only way to keep continuity and youth around Kawhi. It’s still early in the season but all 3 have contributed to wins.

I do think one of either Davis or Kyle may be gone if Rudy stays. There’s just not sufficient available playing time for all 3 in a healthy roster when the team has Kawhi and Lamarcus as their best players occupying the forwards spots and Pop still starts Gasol and likes to play 2 big combos and 2 microguard combos at times (though this may be a result of injuries). I think all 3 are okay with being bench players in a good team, but Kyle expressed he doesn’t want to go back to playing limited minutes at this point in his career and I bet Bertans doesn’t feel any different. I keep thinking one of these 3 won’t be back.

Tony and Danny are going to be back but Tony’s contract should be smaller.

Danny is an enigma to me in $ terms. An argument can be made that he’s more valuable than Mills and should get comparable compensation. I find it difficult to even suggest he give a discount. Considering the trade rumors, should he be leaving money to sign someone younger who is due for a payday? Maybe not. The trade rumors situation just places Danny in a new perspective. Maybe he wants to ensure that if he were to get traded at least he’s well compensated. It’s also probably his last big deal.

Joff is a replacement level player in a minimum deal. It doesn’t matter what he does (picking his option or not).

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This is a really excellent post that breaks it down well.

I think someone is the odd man out in the "tweener" forward group, and the only way both Davis and Kyle stay is if Rudy leaves. Davis is the most likely to go as Pop has played him least, and the team seems less invested in him then Anderson. Davis's early play didn't help, but he was coming off a finger injury. And poor Davis is already finger-challenged... Even so, he's still shooting almost 400 from 3. Tough to let that go. But Kyle has the defense and has looked more and more comfortable running the offense.

I think Bryn being an actual NBA player kind of surprised them as things were looking dire last season. He and Patty are in someways redundant. But as long as ancient Manu is taking up a guard spot, his second unit playing time will be reduced. I suppose if Bryn really blossomed it is theoretically possible you could trade Patty, but I don[t see that happening for many reasons. Or if Manu at last retires he might stay. But as it is they are already struggling to find minutes for Dejounte now that Tony is back. How many young guards can you develop while keeping your old core? In essence the longevity of Tony and Manu means these young guards may have to sit or go elsewhere. A ridiculous offer on Bryn, would probably not be matched. Like with Boban, Pop would wish him well and tell him to get the cash. But Bryn has such a sweet stroke. He's like Gery Neal with a much better attitude.


I am guessing Kyle is the most likely to stay. I think the team has really groomed him, and he's just blossoming. I also think his abilities aren't as immediately understandable to competing teams as Davis and Bryn. Look how long its taken Pop to figure out how to use Kyle? I doubt other teams really know what to make of him - YET. Shooters will always get offers somewhere.. I could see a win-win for the FO. The player they want the most may also be the one that attracts the least attention. Could certainly be wrong, Kyle should earn a nice payday.

So, if I were to say most likely to be back it would be: 1) Kyle 2)Bryn 3)Davis. Joff isn't worth ranking. Doesn't matter either way. If he opts out, I trust RC to find roughly the equivalent elsewhere.

of the seven above:
1)Green is the priority (imho 11 to 13 mill using bird)
2) KA is second (imho 7 to 10 using rfa)
3) Gay is third but i would let him go if he opts out; imho also if he has a good seson is market is low (wing over 30, coming from bad injury)
4) Bertans is fourth 'cause of his shooting skill (5 mill a year using early bird)
5) Parker is fifth and imho not worth a big contract (ols, bad defense...has no market value except for us 'cause knows our offense)
6) Forbes is 6th and probably gone in favor of Paul and our next first round choice
7)Jolo is eventh and probably gone if not opt in in favor of signing Milutinov

too early to set priorities when not even half the season was played.

ps: Danny is a spurs for life

Spotrac > hoopshype

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Originally Posted by raybies

As of today, Who are you prioritizing and why? Bonus points if you can give some salary ranges. Who can we realistically afford or who should we keep and who should we let walk? Who's skillset is most valuable overall or to our team?

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Player	Pos	Team	Season	Age	YOS	Veteran FA Status	GP	PTS	REB	AST	PER	Agent
Kyle Anderson	PF	SAN	2018-2019	24	4	Bird	23	8.87	5.96	3.04	16.58	Thaddeus Foucher
Davis Bertans	SF/PF	SAN	2018-2019	25	2	Early Bird	21	3.76	1.14	0.48	15.68	Chris Patrick
Bryn Forbes	G	SAN	2018-2019	24	2	Early Bird	25	6.56	1.32	0.80	10.75	Michael Lindeman
Rudy Gay	SF	SAN	2018-2019	31	12	Non-Bird	23	12.17	5.35	1.74	18.74	Roger Montgomery
Danny Green	SG	SAN	2018-2019	31	9	Bird	24	9.67	4.00	2.08	12.28	Bill Duffy
Joffrey Lauvergne	PF	SAN	2018-2019	26	4	Non-Bird	12	3.50	3.58	0.75	11.05	Jeff Schwartz Pedja Materic
Tony Parker	PG	SAN	2018-2019	36	17	Bird	5	8.20	2.00	5.00	20.00	Steven Heumann

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you pretty much have them in order right there, gotta keep those cheaper young guys.
if Gay opts out for more money he can go
if Green wants more than 12/yr he can go
if TP wants more than 8/year he can go

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Originally Posted by raybies

I just don't know how Murray fits into this. With Patty and TP back does he play rest games etc. But yeah you are right. Green, Gay, and Parker. What do you think about the RFA's?

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I wouldn't worry about Murray, he's unter team control for 2 more seasons after this one and has a lot to work on. If he doesn't improve other guards may even displace him eventually. If he wants to keep rotation minutes he has to take them from somebody. He will still get opportunities with Tony rest games, injuries and next season, Manu is possibly retiring. There will be minutes to be had at the guards spots. Stay hungry, work hard, show up when your number is called, show that you are better than any other option. Right now, he's not.

The best move was working with LMA instead of giving up on him. Pops’ willingness to admit when he was wrong for over-coaching LMA. Now doing better job in trying to acclimate LMA’s game better, and LMA putting in the work and playing like the all-star Spurs signed. Instead of just trading him which was most of the basketball world thought would happen. I know it’s still a long way to go. But so far it looks good that they stuck on him. His new contract may be the best deal for what he’s putting up every night. Losing Simmons was bad but we couldn’t afford him likewise Dedmon. Giving Gasol 3 years extension seems dumb but he’s playing his best game. The FO doesn’t stop to amaze me when at first you’re like what?? Spurs is not a big market at any standard. And we’re just so lucky FO is that good making great calls, or Spurs could’ve easily been a losing organization, but instead it’s the best and a model organization in all professional sports despite being in a small market. Others simply have the money. Fu*king crazy.

Re-signing Tony will be done.

So will Green imo.

Spurs need to look at dumping Mills to open up $$ to retain most of the FAs. It also would give the PG position some breathing room so DeJounte can actually have a consistent role moving forward next year.

People are also overlooking that Gay is the only guy on whom the team can be outbid. They can only give him like $10 Million next year if he opts out due to no Bird rights.

How many guys the team keeps depends on how much PATFO believes in the roster. They likely have somewhere in the neighborhood of $32 Million to spend on Tony, Danny, Rudy, Kyle, Bryn and Davys. If they want to pay tax, they likely have a couple more million, but this is assuming they cut Paul and that Joff walks. And if they due want to bring over Milutinov, then it just gets even harder.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

People are also overlooking that Gay is the only guy on whom the team can be outbid. They can only give him like $10 Million next year if he opts out due to no Bird rights.

How many guys the team keeps depends on how much PATFO believes in the roster. They likely have somewhere in the neighborhood of $32 Million to spend on Tony, Danny, Rudy, Kyle, Bryn and Davys. If they want to pay tax, they likely have a couple more million, but this is assuming they cut Paul and that Joff walks. And if they due want to bring over Milutinov, then it just gets even harder.

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I remembered something about this but wasn't sure. If he wants to stay it makes since for him to opt in and then PATFO take care of him the following season like Pau.

But yeah it's gonna be tough to keep the RFA's...

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Originally Posted by BillMc

I think Bryn being an actual NBA player kind of surprised them as things were looking dire last season. He and Patty are in someways redundant. But as long as ancient Manu is taking up a guard spot, his second unit playing time will be reduced. I suppose if Bryn really blossomed it is theoretically possible you could trade Patty, but I don[t see that happening for many reasons. Or if Manu at last retires he might stay. But as it is they are already struggling to find minutes for Dejounte now that Tony is back. How many young guards can you develop while keeping your old core? In essence the longevity of Tony and Manu means these young guards may have to sit or go elsewhere. A ridiculous offer on Bryn, would probably not be matched. Like with Boban, Pop would wish him well and tell him to get the cash. But Bryn has such a sweet stroke. He's like Gery Neal with a much better attitude.

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I don't think Pop is surprised by Bryn. They sat down Dijon in summer league and decided to feature Bryn Forbes probably based on what they had seen him do in practices. If he surprised the coach, it was back then. But then Bryn upped the ante by coming in to training camp and doing it again. He was the only player that Pop mentioned in preseason before any of the games were played as having been impressive and remarking the summer that he had. Pop compares him to Steph right now. I think they really, really like him.

We can speculate about this all day. I think Davis and Bryn have similar roles as floor spacers and bench sparks, but Davis with that finger splint not shooting well early in the season was a factor in him not playing and I also think the Spurs are stronger in the forwards spots, and can afford to lose him and be just fine, noted by how he barely played until injuries decimated their forward rotation. Thus the team doesn't need Davis as much as they needed scoring from any of their guards.

Patty started the season notoriously awful... Manu is showing his age. Dijon got a lot of opportunities early in the season, plus the honor of starting games, but he is just not a good offensive player right now... Turns over the ball too much, is unpredictable with his dribble, and just can't shoot. So, I think Pop needed someone to score the ball from any of the guards spots and Bryn was their best scoring option at the time based on what they had seen him do in preseason. The Spurs needs are currently greater in their guards spots than they are in the forwards spots and that may actually be the reason behind the amount of guards they have picked up. They are looking for answers.

So, if Bryn is their best guard prospect right now, I think they want him back. I don't think he will be uber expensive unless he has some Gary Nealesque, Danny Greenesque a la 2013 finals showing in the postseason. As special as he looks as a shooter, he's still 6'1 or 6'2 and is playing primarily as a diminutive SG. He's not the team's PG, or primary ballhandler and I think Pop eventually projects him to be able to play that spot, but he's not there right now.

All in all, I think we agree, that based on what we have seen so far, Davis is likely to be the one guy they don't retain... unless of course Rudy Gay doesn't come back.

It's just interesting to exchange opinions and points of view about it all.

All of them (except Lauvergne), but a reasonable price.

Kyle - 7 mills per (could go down depending how he finishes the season).
Bertans - 2/3 mills
Forbes - 2/3 mills
Gay - for what he's getting, no more than that.
Danny - 12 mills

And Tony hopefully accepts a big pay-cut, something along the lines of 3 or 4 millions per year. We need to make up somewhere for the millions given away this offseason.

The one person we can not loose is Rudy the guy is a legit starter and makes us have a chance at another ring.
I love Mills but Forbes does exactly what he does but a lot cheaper also have to think about White in the mix. Kyle is turning into a decent player who can get rebounds and blocks some shots his opposite Bertans has such a sweet stroke on that three ball that is tough.

The big big question will be is Manu going to play one more year. We have no one close to him as far as skill set and experience. If he leaves we’re going to have to make trades to bring in a goood player cause Forbes/Mills/White are not a option.

My hope would be to bring everyone back including Manu except Lav and the new Sg and bring over Nik and draft SG Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk

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All of them (except Lauvergne), but a reasonable price.

Kyle - 7 mills per (could go down depending how he finishes the season).
Bertans - 2/3 mills
Forbes - 2/3 mills
Gay - for what he's getting, no more than that.
Danny - 12 mills

And Tony hopefully accepts a big pay-cut, something along the lines of 3 or 4 millions per year. We need to make up somewhere for the millions given away this offseason.

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this is definitely not happening.

I don't know what it is but 2 million for Forbes? ROFLROFLFOR NO

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this is definitely not happening.

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Why not? That would double their current salaries, for folks that aren't even assured rotation guys.

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Why not? That would double their current salaries, for folks that aren't even assured rotation guys.

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too early for that claim but I bet many teams will be willing to give more than 3m to two of the 20/30 best 3pt shooters in the world. Warriors, Rox and Nets will be salivating by Bertans if the offered value is so low.

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All of them (except Lauvergne), but a reasonable price.

Kyle - 7 mills per (could go down depending how he finishes the season).
Bertans - 2/3 mills
Forbes - 2/3 mills
Gay - for what he's getting, no more than that.
Danny - 12 mills

And Tony hopefully accepts a big pay-cut, something along the lines of 3 or 4 millions per year. We need to make up somewhere for the millions given away this offseason.

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Kyle 10
Bertans 6
Forbes 5
Gay 10
Danny 12

Even that is conservative. I doubt the team balks at any of those numbers individually, but they will likely only keep on of Gay/Anderson and Bertans/Forbes. I went back and checked the long post I cut out. The Spurs will have something like $38 Million rather than $32 Million. That latter number was because at that point in the write-up, I had taken out a few million for Parker's next deal. Tony taking the minimum like Manu would help, and I do think it's possible given the size of his recent deal and the fact that Manu took a similar pay cut in 2015. If that happens, then the team will likely have enough to three of the listed players while also saving money for a cheap three-year deal for Milutinov or another big (because getting someone in the pipeline is really important with Gasol in his last guaranteed year).

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Why not? That would double their current salaries, for folks that aren't even assured rotation guys.

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Because it's only slightly above the min for guys who can earn well more than that on other teams. Back in the day when $3 Million was double the LLE, you could make an argument. Now, it's 2/3 the LLE and is in insult territory.

Bertans and Forbes create gravity for their teams just by being on the court, they will be looked for by several teams with certainty

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too early for that claim but I bet many teams will be willing to give more than 3m to two of the 20/30 best 3pt shooters in the world. Warriors, Rox and Nets will be salivating by Bertans if the offered value is so low.

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Kyle 10
Bertans 6
Forbes 5
Gay 10
Danny 12

Even that is conservative. I doubt the team balks at any of those numbers individually, but they will likely only keep on of Gay/Anderson and Bertans/Forbes. I went back and checked the long post I cut out. The Spurs will have something like $38 Million rather than $32 Million. That latter number was because at that point in the write-up, I had taken out a few million for Parker's next deal. Tony taking the minimum like Manu would help, and I do think it's possible given the size of his recent deal and the fact that Manu took a similar pay cut in 2015. If that happens, then the team will likely have enough to three of the listed players while also saving money for a cheap three-year deal for Milutinov or another big (because getting someone in the pipeline is really important with Gasol in his last guaranteed year).

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Because it's only slightly above the min for guys who can earn well more than that on other teams. Back in the day when $3 Million was double the LLE, you could make an argument. Now, it's 2/3 the LLE and is in insult territory.

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So it is pretty reasonable to say that at least one of Forbes or Bertans (if not both) is gone.

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of the seven above:
1)Green is the priority (imho 11 to 13 mill using bird)
2) KA is second (imho 7 to 10 using rfa)
3) Gay is third but i would let him go if he opts out; imho also if he has a good seson is market is low (wing over 30, coming from bad injury)
4) Bertans is fourth 'cause of his shooting skill (5 mill a year using early bird)
5) Parker is fifth and imho not worth a big contract (ols, bad defense...has no market value except for us 'cause knows our offense)
6) Forbes is 6th and probably gone in favor of Paul and our next first round choice
7)Jolo is eventh and probably gone if not opt in in favor of signing Milutinov

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In the Spurs eyes, Parker is priority #1.

Forbes is a 6”1 SG I don’t think any team is going to throw money at him. He is a system player who will do well as a Spur player but would suck on most other teams. But he knows he got his chance because of Pop I think they will do a wink deal get paid less know and we got u next contract.

But let’s not forget White who I think is a more complete player and can do backup as PG and SG.

Forbes and Bertans won't draw a huge amount of interest. Maybe Bertans, but you just let him go then.

I'd really like to keep Gay. We've only begun to see what free can do for us and I think he may be relatively cheap, valuing a winning franchise over money on a shitty team.

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Forbes is a 6”1 SG I don’t think any team is going to throw money at him. He is a system player who will do well as a Spur player but would suck on most other teams. But he knows he got his chance because of Pop I think they will do a wink deal get paid less know and we got u next contract.

But let’s not forget White who I think is a more complete player and can do backup as PG and SG.

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Forbes can have a JJ Redick-like career with his shooting. His form is absolutely perfect.

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Re-signing Tony will be done.

So will Green imo.

Spurs need to look at dumping Mills to open up $$ to retain most of the FAs. It also would give the PG position some breathing room so DeJounte can actually have a consistent role moving forward next year.

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Patty Mills for Channing Frye + fillers?

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So it is pretty reasonable to say that at least one of Forbes or Bertans (if not both) is gone.

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BAsed on just a quarter of a season gone by, I think Bertans is more likely.

Again bc the Spurs forwards are a point of strength and they may not maximize him when the team is at full health. Meanwhile the guards are in a bad state. Tony is getting older, minutes restricted, games rested, brittle, etc. Manu may retire. Dijon can't shoot, etc. Spurs sometimes really struggle getting scoring production from their guards even right now. So, if you can only pay one shooter, I do think Forbes has priority based on team needs.

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Forbes is a 6”1 SG I don’t think any team is going to throw money at him. He is a system player who will do well as a Spur player but would suck on most other teams. But he knows he got his chance because of Pop I think they will do a wink deal get paid less know and we got u next contract.

But let’s not forget White who I think is a more complete player and can do backup as PG and SG.

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Forbes is 6-3. To put this into perspective, he's already done more than Seth Curry did before he got his deal with Dallas. Curry had name recognition and all, but Bryn's also growing at a faster rate and the boost the Spurs brand gives.

I don't think it's remotely fair to call Forbes a system player, especially not a product of the Spurs system. The skills he has a transferable to almost any system. A guy like Troy Daniels got this much and is more limited than Forbes. Bryn's not a starting-caliber guy, but no one is talking that kind of pay anyway.

I don't think Bryn would want anything to do with a wink-wink deal. Not only is it against the CBA, but he couldn't trust that he'd get injured and lose that money. Plus, the team will likely not be in a good cap position until LMA's guaranteed years are done, so there's no clear path to more money coming up.

I expect Lauvergne to opt in.

Cut Jean-Charles.

Parker $8M/2 years, player option
Gasol opting out for $12M/2 years, player option, that high to save the $4M, and y'all know that Pau's a top 40 player currently in VA/RPM.

Then non-Bird Gay $10/2, player option.

Then get Green, Anderson, Forbes, Bertans to split the remainder, maybe a bit more, signing Green and Anderson last with Bird rights.

If that is not enough for any of the four, let him/them walk.

Try to sign Milutinov at the low end.

Better yet, sign Duncan for his third year stretched salary.

Drom, I think you'll be happy to hear they've already cut LJC.

However, most of the rest of your post doesn't make sense. Pau can't opt out. Gay wouldn't opt out. Bird rights wouldn't be affected by signing order, as the team is over the cap.

This may be a thread we will revisit and comment on in the future. The season is early and we don't know Pop's full vision of the team.

Guys like Anderson, Forbes and Bertans did what they needed to do in contract years. They took advantage of injuries to show their games. They have place themselves in good positions to get paid. If that is elsewhere one has to be glad for them and really sad for the team.

Again, I detest multiyear contracts for everyone 31 and over and letting guys 24 and 25 years old go. But it can't be helped. They deserve to get paid. We will just have to see rest of the season and playoffs and see who really looks like a keeper then.

I expect Anderson(4 year, $36-40 million) Gay (2 years, $21 million), Green (4 years, $50 million) Parker (one year deal, the final year with the team), and Bertans to be back but I don't know about Forbes, this team could get super expensive next year.

:pop:

1) hang out at the house for a couple of weeks and catch up on Friends
2) then take annual tour of wine tasting regions of the world
3) see if Matt is free to play cards
4) fuck...did they cancel Friends
5) watch YouTube for potential players

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I expect Anderson(4 year, $36-40 million) Gay (2 years, $21 million), Green (4 years, $50 million) Parker (one year deal, the final year with the team), and Bertans to be back but I don't know about Forbes, this team could get super expensive next year.

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I just don't see a point of paying three combo-forwards legit money. It's one of the easiest positions to find in the league. I think those first three contracts are pretty spot on, and Tony at the min could slot in with those numbers at that point its...

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Manu, White
Leonard, Anderson,
Aldridge, Gay
Gasol

Four spots and like $5-7 Million to fill them. The pick will be one and take up like $2 Million. Then it's finding another center and a wing. Paul being back would take a spot and like a million and a half. Same with Joff. That would leave them with less than $2 Million under the tax to sign a final player. Don't really see either Forbes or Bertans back for that, and they don't seem worth going into the tax to retain.

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This may be a thread we will revisit and comment on in the future. The season is early and we don't know Pop's full vision of the team.

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I was hoping to start it now to kind of catalog the ups and downs of the stock for these guys, mostly the RFA's. I know it's early but, maybe we can get a better sense on who's played consistently and deservedly of being back.

One this is for sure. Fathead is at the bottom of their priorities. Gay, Green, Parker, and Forbes are all more important to this team.

If in fact they have about $38M to spend, here's how I think it plays out . . .

- Green: 4/$50M
- Parker: 2/$16M
- Anderson: 4/$38M
- Bertans: 3/$15M
- Gay: opts out and signs elsewhere
- Forbes: receives qualifying offer and either has it rescinded or signs offer sheet for 2/$8M that goes unmatched
- Lauvergne: opts in

Leaves about $2M for the 1st and a minimum signing, while leaving a roster spot open.

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If in fact they have about $38M to spend, here's how I think it plays out . . .

- Green: 4/$50M
- Parker: 2/$16M
- Anderson: 4/$38M
- Bertans: 3/$15M
- Gay: opts out and signs elsewhere
- Forbes: receives qualifying offer and either has it rescinded or signs offer sheet for 2/$8M that goes unmatched
- Lauvergne: opts in

Leaves about $2M for the 1st and a minimum signing, while leaving a roster spot open.

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Thanks for your prediction.
I have some questions about it.

Rudy? Are you certain he's going to be gone? I am assuming you think they underachieve, he sours and is gone.

I know you have said Forbes is blocked from playing time and it doesn't make sense for him to come back. I'd like him back, but it would require Tony leaving money to sign him.. :lol right?

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Thanks for your prediction.
I have some questions about it.

Rudy? Are you certain he's going to be gone? I am assuming you think they underachieve, he sours and is gone.

I know you have said Forbes is blocked from playing time and it doesn't make sense for him to come back. I'd like him back, but it would require Tony leaving money to sign him.. :lol right?

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No, I'm not certain Gay is going to be gone. Think both sides preference would be to re-sign, but if that roughly $38M to spend is correct, I don't see how they could afford him.

Parker's contract has nothing to do with Forbes. It's simply a numbers game, with 6 guards projected to be back, Mills entrenched and playing the same role and leaving Murray a potential path to the rotation.

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No, I'm not certain Gay is going to be gone. Think both sides preference would be to re-sign, but if that roughly $38M to spend is correct, I don't see how they could afford him.

Parker's contract has nothing to do with Forbes. It's simply a numbers game, with 6 guards projected to be back, Mills entrenched and playing the same role and leaving Murray a potential path to the rotation.

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I think most expect he will come back for less.

you think Manu comes back?

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I just don't see a point of paying three combo-forwards legit money. It's one of the easiest positions to find in the league. I think those first three contracts are pretty spot on, and Tony at the min could slot in with those numbers at that point its...

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Manu, White
Leonard, Anderson,
Aldridge, Gay
Gasol

Four spots and like $5-7 Million to fill them. The pick will be one and take up like $2 Million. Then it's finding another center and a wing. Paul being back would take a spot and like a million and a half. Same with Joff. That would leave them with less than $2 Million under the tax to sign a final player. Don't really see either Forbes or Bertans back for that, and they don't seem worth going into the tax to retain.

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I have the Spurs salary being at $115,000,000, to 14 players for next season with the luxury tax being at almost $121,000,000. Manu retiring would add some breathing room and push that up to around $8.5.

I think Joff opts in and the Spurs pick up Paul.
PATFO seems to really like Forbes, and Bertans, but they are likely to only retain one and that would seem to be Bertans because Forbes, while good, isn't irreplaceable. Bertans isn't either but he has more of a unique skill set.

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Manu, Paul, White
Kawhi, Anderson
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Lauvergne, 1st rounder (hopefully a big)

Thats fifteen spots, 14 if Manu retires.

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I think most expect he will come back for less.

you think Manu comes back?

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Parker? Of course he will, but it's going to be more than most presume.

No, think he retires.

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I have the Spurs salary being at $115,000,000, to 14 players for next season with the luxury tax being at almost $121,000,000. Manu retiring would add some breathing room and push that up to around $8.5.

I think Joff opts in and the Spurs pick up Paul.
PATFO seems to really like Forbes, and Bertans, but they are likely to only retain one and that would seem to be Bertans because Forbes, while good, isn't irreplaceable. Bertans isn't either but he has more of a unique skill set.

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Manu, Paul, White
Kawhi, Anderson
Aldridge, Gay, Bertans
Gasol, Lauvergne, 1st rounder (hopefully a big)

Thats fifteen spots, 14 if Manu retires.

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Not counting Bertans, you're probably close on your estimate. Dunno how you counted the pick and whatnot, but I've yet to do a real breakdown of the salaries. Anyway, Manu retiring won't free up space, because his contract was clearly two seasons so he could retire and keep the money. As far as I know, it's not an option, either, so he can't even opt out and re-sign another deal if he wants to stay. While the team could stretch him, I hope they don't. Tim's $1.6 Million next year is one of the things making the math tight. I also don't know what value you assigned for Parker, but I don't think he's going to sign for one more year. He's the best PG on the roster now, and that could still be the case next year. That's even more true if Manu retires.

As far as Forbes vs Bertans, I do think Bertans makes more sense if he can be a legit big. But I do think Forbes is better than Davis right now, and if Manu retires, I could see Bryn having a better shot at the rotation than Bertans does.

1. Keep Danny Green
2. Find a trade partner for 50 Mills
3. Keep Kyle Anderson

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Thank You.

Not going to do priorities yet bc season is early but it's nice to keep track of good performances.

Bryn deserves to get re-upped.

I don't care about the glut of guards or whatever ... sign that man.

Davis missed a bunch of shots tonight but it was one of his best defensive games that I have ever seen. He was really active.

Rudy scored efficiently but also had 4 TO, some unforced and some questionable or bad defense. He's a mixed bag right now.

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I just don't see a point of paying three combo-forwards legit money. It's one of the easiest positions to find in the league. I think those first three contracts are pretty spot on, and Tony at the min could slot in with those numbers at that point its...

Parker, Mills, Murray
Green, Manu, White
Leonard, Anderson,
Aldridge, Gay
Gasol

Four spots and like $5-7 Million to fill them. The pick will be one and take up like $2 Million. Then it's finding another center and a wing. Paul being back would take a spot and like a million and a half. Same with Joff. That would leave them with less than $2 Million under the tax to sign a final player. Don't really see either Forbes or Bertans back for that, and they don't seem worth going into the tax to retain.

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Forbes is a better option than Patty moving forward. Trade Patty and free up $ and roles.

Spurs will ring, manu possibly pau will retire

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Not going to do priorities yet bc season is early but it's nice to keep track of good performances.

Bryn deserves to get re-upped.

I don't care about the glut of guards or whatever ... sign that man.

Davis missed a bunch of shots tonight but it was one of his best defensive games that I have ever seen. He was really active.

Rudy scored efficiently but also had 4 TO, some unforced and some questionable or bad defense. He's a mixed bag right now.

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Rudy had an off game. It happens. As for the defense, this is his first year with a defense-first team while coming off of an achilles injury, so I don't worry about his defense all that much. I say keep him if possible because he makes the bench stronger and brings much needed versatility.

Regardless, Patty has to go. That's all I care about above all else...I won't hold my breath though. :depressed

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Forbes is a better option than Patty moving forward. Trade Patty and free up $ and roles.

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In the same way that the Spurs wouldn't let Mills walk just to give Murray more minutes, they aren't likely to move Patty to give Forbes money. Patty very clearly seems to be a top leader in the locker room, and that will probably only be more so as Manu and Tony get ready to retire. No Spurs fan in their right mind should argue that chemistry isn't important.

The chemistry isn't going to magically go down the drain with Patty gone. Yeah - it probably won't happen - but, if it did, the sky wouldn't fall.

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In the same way that the Spurs wouldn't let Mills walk just to give Murray more minutes, they aren't likely to move Patty to give Forbes money. Patty very clearly seems to be a top leader in the locker room, and that will probably only be more so as Manu and Tony get ready to retire. No Spurs fan in their right mind should argue that chemistry isn't important.

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They shouldnt, but the ones that do have no understanding of the game

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The chemistry isn't going to magically go down the drain with Patty gone. Yeah - it probably won't happen - but, if it did, the sky wouldn't fall.

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Lol youve never played sports for a consistent and winning team at a competitive level

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Lol youve never played sports for a consistent and winning team at a competitive level

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Neither have you.

And, again, the sky will not fall if Mills leaves the team.

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Spurs will ring, manu possibly pau will retire

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I doubt Pau will retire. Those 16 big ones aren't likely guaranteed in that case. If he were to retire the summer after next (coming off a back-to-back), then that would be a different story. If he were to, though, and the team let him keep all of his guaranteed money, they'd likely stretch him so he'd get $4.4 Million a year for five years (again, this just won't happen if he doesn't get a career-ending injury). That would free up about $12 Million in salary. However, it would also possibly trigger under-the-cap scenarios, and if those cases, the Spurs would likely not be as generous with keeping the team together. Kyle (and Bryn and Davis to smaller extents) would be more likely to stay due to his small cap hold, and the timing of signings like Tony's would be bigger.

Plus, that is one of the few scenarios where a Mills trade would be possible.

(In case it needed to be said, if Pau did leave $22 Million on the table to retire, then it would only make the team more likely to go the cap-space route, not less. Though obviously, if it happened after they just won a title, then the team would be more conservative -- to the point that PATFO would probably guarantee more of Pau's final year to make him stay).

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Neither have you.

And, again, the sky will not fall if Mills leaves the team.

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Yes, i have. The difference between us is that i have done what you speculate

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In the same way that the Spurs wouldn't let Mills walk just to give Murray more minutes, they aren't likely to move Patty to give Forbes money. Patty very clearly seems to be a top leader in the locker room, and that will probably only be more so as Manu and Tony get ready to retire. No Spurs fan in their right mind should argue that chemistry isn't important.

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Chemistry isn't created by one player. Especially a bench player. Spurs foundation is too strong to break without Mills. Hell, it didn't even shift when Tim retired.

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Yes, i have. The difference between us is that i have done what you speculate

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The only thing you've consistently contributed to are awful posts on this forum, and the list of missing persons around town.

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Chemistry isn't created by one player. Especially a bench player. Spurs foundation is too strong to break without Mills. Hell, it didn't even shift when Tim retired.

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The year Tim retired, Pop paid Ginobili $14 Million almost exclusively because of his "corporate knowledge". Yes, culture is held among the group. However, Patty is the leader, and that isn't likely going to be replaced (which is why he got the role in the first place).

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Lol youve never played sports for a consistent and winning team at a competitive level

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Right. A lot of basketball doesn't happen on the court.

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I doubt Pau will retire. Those 16 big ones aren't likely guaranteed in that case. If he were to retire the summer after next (coming off a back-to-back), then that would be a different story. If he were to, though, and the team let him keep all of his guaranteed money, they'd likely stretch him so he'd get $4.4 Million a year for five years (again, this just won't happen if he doesn't get a career-ending injury). That would free up about $12 Million in salary. However, it would also possibly trigger under-the-cap scenarios, and if those cases, the Spurs would likely not be as generous with keeping the team together. Kyle (and Bryn and Davis to smaller extents) would be more likely to stay due to his small cap hold, and the timing of signings like Tony's would be bigger.

Plus, that is one of the few scenarios where a Mills trade would be possible.

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Money wise i think youre right. Personality wise i see pau as more a ride off into the sunset guy. Sometimes i watch him and i dont see any compete, but other times i do.

So if they do ring, why do you think spurs wouldnt stay pat?

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The only thing you've consistently contributed to are awful posts on this forum, and the list of missing persons around town.

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Again, youve never played. Maybe thats why you dont get the takes

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So how much does that give us to resign our players? like 15-18 mill right? not counting Danny's, Gay's and Joff's cash I think Danny and Gay exercise their option but I think Joff opts out

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Whatever it is, anything more than $0.00 would be too steep a price to re-sign Bertans. Forbes is redundant with Paddy on the roster and everybody knows Kyle is gonna see the majority of that $15-18M whether he deserves it or not.

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Again, youve never played. Maybe thats why you dont get the takes

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The only takes you have are just the same "no talent in the NBA blah blah blah".

You never post anything else other than the same dribble when you follow me and others around the forum. Tell me how you should be the Celtics' starting PG again though. :lol

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The year Tim retired, Pop paid Ginobili $14 Million almost exclusively because of his "corporate knowledge". Yes, culture is held among the group. However, Patty is the leader, and that isn't likely going to be replaced (which is why he got the role in the first place).

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A bench player is never the leader. Parker is more of a leader than Patty and he'll be here for another 2-3 years.

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The chemistry isn't going to magically go down the drain with Patty gone. Yeah - it probably won't happen - but, if it did, the sky wouldn't fall.

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I do think chemistry would go down if Patty were traded and Manu were to retire. Obviously the guys wouldn't forget how to play basketball (even the Spurs brand) without him. But as far as keeping the locker room steady, I'd be wary. Pop clearly values that highly given the money he's dolled out the past two off-seasons. He could be off his rocker, but he knows his roster better than we do, and if he thought Patty was a "keep at all costs" guy despite him having a down year, it's likely that he's more valuable off the court than guys want to give him credit for.

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A bench player is never the leader.

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That seems like a really random rule.

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Right. A lot of basketball doesn't happen on the court.

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Exactly!! Paddy didn't get paid for his on court performance like most athletes, he was paid for his cheerful demeanor and towel waving.

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A bench player is never the leader. Parker is more of a leader than Patty and he'll be here for another 2-3 years.

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A bench player is never the leader. Parker is more of a leader than Patty and he'll be here for another 2-3 years.

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Manu is more of a leader than parker...... irony

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I do think chemistry would go down if Patty were traded and Manu were to retire. Obviously the guys wouldn't forget how to play basketball (even the Spurs brand) without him. But as far as keeping the locker room steady, I'd be wary. Pop clearly values that highly given the money he's dolled out the past two off-seasons. He could be off his rocker, but he knows his roster better than we do, and if he thought Patty was a "keep at all costs" guy despite him having a down year, it's likely that he's more valuable off the court than guys want to give him credit for.

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But how much? Enough to significantly affect play on the court? I'm skeptical of that notion.