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I'd rather play the field lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
but I think Forbes and Bertans make the offense more explosive, Kyle can playmake. It's just tough. I guess I want to talk about it more before I release my first ballot.
Danny/Gay/Parker tier 1 no order
dang dude I like all three of our restricted free agents. They have all put in some serious work. I hate to choose...................
Solid post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
That's what I'm afraid of. Gonna be interesting to see how they play with pressure of performing. Should make for a better squad though.
But I'm getting attached to this team. It's one of the more funner rosters we've had imo
If we keep any of those players, it's in this order.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
1. KA
2. Forbes
3. Bertans
:pop: i love me some stretch fourQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
As of now, I think you may be right though
This is a really excellent post that breaks it down well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I think someone is the odd man out in the "tweener" forward group, and the only way both Davis and Kyle stay is if Rudy leaves. Davis is the most likely to go as Pop has played him least, and the team seems less invested in him then Anderson. Davis's early play didn't help, but he was coming off a finger injury. And poor Davis is already finger-challenged... Even so, he's still shooting almost 400 from 3. Tough to let that go. But Kyle has the defense and has looked more and more comfortable running the offense.
I think Bryn being an actual NBA player kind of surprised them as things were looking dire last season. He and Patty are in someways redundant. But as long as ancient Manu is taking up a guard spot, his second unit playing time will be reduced. I suppose if Bryn really blossomed it is theoretically possible you could trade Patty, but I don[t see that happening for many reasons. Or if Manu at last retires he might stay. But as it is they are already struggling to find minutes for Dejounte now that Tony is back. How many young guards can you develop while keeping your old core? In essence the longevity of Tony and Manu means these young guards may have to sit or go elsewhere. A ridiculous offer on Bryn, would probably not be matched. Like with Boban, Pop would wish him well and tell him to get the cash. But Bryn has such a sweet stroke. He's like Gery Neal with a much better attitude.
I am guessing Kyle is the most likely to stay. I think the team has really groomed him, and he's just blossoming. I also think his abilities aren't as immediately understandable to competing teams as Davis and Bryn. Look how long its taken Pop to figure out how to use Kyle? I doubt other teams really know what to make of him - YET. Shooters will always get offers somewhere.. I could see a win-win for the FO. The player they want the most may also be the one that attracts the least attention. Could certainly be wrong, Kyle should earn a nice payday.
So, if I were to say most likely to be back it would be: 1) Kyle 2)Bryn 3)Davis. Joff isn't worth ranking. Doesn't matter either way. If he opts out, I trust RC to find roughly the equivalent elsewhere.
of the seven above:
1)Green is the priority (imho 11 to 13 mill using bird)
2) KA is second (imho 7 to 10 using rfa)
3) Gay is third but i would let him go if he opts out; imho also if he has a good seson is market is low (wing over 30, coming from bad injury)
4) Bertans is fourth 'cause of his shooting skill (5 mill a year using early bird)
5) Parker is fifth and imho not worth a big contract (ols, bad defense...has no market value except for us 'cause knows our offense)
6) Forbes is 6th and probably gone in favor of Paul and our next first round choice
7)Jolo is eventh and probably gone if not opt in in favor of signing Milutinov
too early to set priorities when not even half the season was played.
ps: Danny is a spurs for life
Spotrac > hoopshype
you pretty much have them in order right there, gotta keep those cheaper young guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
if Gay opts out for more money he can go
if Green wants more than 12/yr he can go
if TP wants more than 8/year he can go
I wouldn't worry about Murray, he's unter team control for 2 more seasons after this one and has a lot to work on. If he doesn't improve other guards may even displace him eventually. If he wants to keep rotation minutes he has to take them from somebody. He will still get opportunities with Tony rest games, injuries and next season, Manu is possibly retiring. There will be minutes to be had at the guards spots. Stay hungry, work hard, show up when your number is called, show that you are better than any other option. Right now, he's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by raybies
The best move was working with LMA instead of giving up on him. Pops’ willingness to admit when he was wrong for over-coaching LMA. Now doing better job in trying to acclimate LMA’s game better, and LMA putting in the work and playing like the all-star Spurs signed. Instead of just trading him which was most of the basketball world thought would happen. I know it’s still a long way to go. But so far it looks good that they stuck on him. His new contract may be the best deal for what he’s putting up every night. Losing Simmons was bad but we couldn’t afford him likewise Dedmon. Giving Gasol 3 years extension seems dumb but he’s playing his best game. The FO doesn’t stop to amaze me when at first you’re like what?? Spurs is not a big market at any standard. And we’re just so lucky FO is that good making great calls, or Spurs could’ve easily been a losing organization, but instead it’s the best and a model organization in all professional sports despite being in a small market. Others simply have the money. Fu*king crazy.
Re-signing Tony will be done.
So will Green imo.
Spurs need to look at dumping Mills to open up $$ to retain most of the FAs. It also would give the PG position some breathing room so DeJounte can actually have a consistent role moving forward next year.
People are also overlooking that Gay is the only guy on whom the team can be outbid. They can only give him like $10 Million next year if he opts out due to no Bird rights.
How many guys the team keeps depends on how much PATFO believes in the roster. They likely have somewhere in the neighborhood of $32 Million to spend on Tony, Danny, Rudy, Kyle, Bryn and Davys. If they want to pay tax, they likely have a couple more million, but this is assuming they cut Paul and that Joff walks. And if they due want to bring over Milutinov, then it just gets even harder.
I remembered something about this but wasn't sure. If he wants to stay it makes since for him to opt in and then PATFO take care of him the following season like Pau.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
But yeah it's gonna be tough to keep the RFA's...
I don't think Pop is surprised by Bryn. They sat down Dijon in summer league and decided to feature Bryn Forbes probably based on what they had seen him do in practices. If he surprised the coach, it was back then. But then Bryn upped the ante by coming in to training camp and doing it again. He was the only player that Pop mentioned in preseason before any of the games were played as having been impressive and remarking the summer that he had. Pop compares him to Steph right now. I think they really, really like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
We can speculate about this all day. I think Davis and Bryn have similar roles as floor spacers and bench sparks, but Davis with that finger splint not shooting well early in the season was a factor in him not playing and I also think the Spurs are stronger in the forwards spots, and can afford to lose him and be just fine, noted by how he barely played until injuries decimated their forward rotation. Thus the team doesn't need Davis as much as they needed scoring from any of their guards.
Patty started the season notoriously awful... Manu is showing his age. Dijon got a lot of opportunities early in the season, plus the honor of starting games, but he is just not a good offensive player right now... Turns over the ball too much, is unpredictable with his dribble, and just can't shoot. So, I think Pop needed someone to score the ball from any of the guards spots and Bryn was their best scoring option at the time based on what they had seen him do in preseason. The Spurs needs are currently greater in their guards spots than they are in the forwards spots and that may actually be the reason behind the amount of guards they have picked up. They are looking for answers.
So, if Bryn is their best guard prospect right now, I think they want him back. I don't think he will be uber expensive unless he has some Gary Nealesque, Danny Greenesque a la 2013 finals showing in the postseason. As special as he looks as a shooter, he's still 6'1 or 6'2 and is playing primarily as a diminutive SG. He's not the team's PG, or primary ballhandler and I think Pop eventually projects him to be able to play that spot, but he's not there right now.
All in all, I think we agree, that based on what we have seen so far, Davis is likely to be the one guy they don't retain... unless of course Rudy Gay doesn't come back.
It's just interesting to exchange opinions and points of view about it all.
All of them (except Lauvergne), but a reasonable price.
Kyle - 7 mills per (could go down depending how he finishes the season).
Bertans - 2/3 mills
Forbes - 2/3 mills
Gay - for what he's getting, no more than that.
Danny - 12 mills
And Tony hopefully accepts a big pay-cut, something along the lines of 3 or 4 millions per year. We need to make up somewhere for the millions given away this offseason.
The one person we can not loose is Rudy the guy is a legit starter and makes us have a chance at another ring.
I love Mills but Forbes does exactly what he does but a lot cheaper also have to think about White in the mix. Kyle is turning into a decent player who can get rebounds and blocks some shots his opposite Bertans has such a sweet stroke on that three ball that is tough.
The big big question will be is Manu going to play one more year. We have no one close to him as far as skill set and experience. If he leaves we’re going to have to make trades to bring in a goood player cause Forbes/Mills/White are not a option.
My hope would be to bring everyone back including Manu except Lav and the new Sg and bring over Nik and draft SG Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
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Originally Posted by DAF86
this is definitely not happening.
I don't know what it is but 2 million for Forbes? ROFLROFLFOR NO
Why not? That would double their current salaries, for folks that aren't even assured rotation guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0drig0lac
too early for that claim but I bet many teams will be willing to give more than 3m to two of the 20/30 best 3pt shooters in the world. Warriors, Rox and Nets will be salivating by Bertans if the offered value is so low.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Kyle 10Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Bertans 6
Forbes 5
Gay 10
Danny 12
Even that is conservative. I doubt the team balks at any of those numbers individually, but they will likely only keep on of Gay/Anderson and Bertans/Forbes. I went back and checked the long post I cut out. The Spurs will have something like $38 Million rather than $32 Million. That latter number was because at that point in the write-up, I had taken out a few million for Parker's next deal. Tony taking the minimum like Manu would help, and I do think it's possible given the size of his recent deal and the fact that Manu took a similar pay cut in 2015. If that happens, then the team will likely have enough to three of the listed players while also saving money for a cheap three-year deal for Milutinov or another big (because getting someone in the pipeline is really important with Gasol in his last guaranteed year).
Because it's only slightly above the min for guys who can earn well more than that on other teams. Back in the day when $3 Million was double the LLE, you could make an argument. Now, it's 2/3 the LLE and is in insult territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Bertans and Forbes create gravity for their teams just by being on the court, they will be looked for by several teams with certainty
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Originally Posted by r0drig0lac
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Originally Posted by Chinook
So it is pretty reasonable to say that at least one of Forbes or Bertans (if not both) is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook