Rank the Spurs FA's Offseason Priorities...

Chinook the realist right now. :cry

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

The only takes you have are just the same "no talent in the NBA blah blah blah".

You never post anything else other than the same dribble when you follow me and others around the forum. Tell me how you should be the Celtics' starting PG again though. :lol

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Same dribble? Lol read a book

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Money wise i think youre right. Personality wise i see pau as more a ride off into the sunset guy. Sometimes i watch him and i dont see any compete, but other times i do.

So if they do ring, why do you think spurs wouldnt stay pat?

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Because they'd have huge holes with no one on the roster to fill them. In the same way that Pop immediately decided to break the bank for Pau once Tim retired, he would likely try to find a replacement center to start next to Aldridge at all costs. I have zero idea who such a center would be, and what cost it would take, but you can't lose Pau and just stay the course. If they pick up a guy like Greg Monroe or Brook Lopez as a buy-out guy and he plays well in the stretch-run and playoffs, then that would at least give them an internal option. Right now, the only option is Joff ... and well, it wouldn't be Joff.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Same dribble? Lol read a book

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It's called a typo. And, lol, the irony. :lmao

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

But how much? Enough to significantly affect play on the court? I'm skeptical of that notion.

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Patty is the only old spur with character. Hes the bridge.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Manu is more of a leader than parker...... irony

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I'd say LaMarcus is more of a leader than anyone this year. Manu and Parker are right behind him with Kawhi. LOL at Patty being THE leader.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

The irony. :lmao

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You must not know what that means....

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I'd say LaMarcus is more of a leader than anyone this year. Manu and Parker are right behind him with Kawhi. LOL at Patty being THE leader.

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Unknown. Best scorer, most consistent doesnt equate to leader.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

You must not know what that means....

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I know what drivel is. Auto-correct can be a bitch sometimes when you're mobile. Keep on with weak spelling and grammar smack if that's all you have though - I'm here to talk ball. :lol

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

I know what drivel is. Auto-correct can be a bitch sometimes when you're mobile. Keep on with weak spelling and grammar smack if that's all you have though - I'm here to talk ball. :lol

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Oh ok auto correct. And your past posts really indicate youre hear to quote talk ball...

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Patty is the only old spur with character. Hes the bridge.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Unknown. Best scorer, most consistent doesnt equate to leader.

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That's why all of his teammates have raved about his leadership this year?

How he's adopted Timmys way to lead by effort and work ethic night in and night out?

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

Rudy had an off game. It happens. As for the defense, this is his first year with a defense-first team while coming off of an achilles injury, so I don't worry about his defense all that much. I say keep him if possible because he makes the bench stronger and brings much needed versatility.

Regardless, Patty has to go. That's all I care about above all else...I won't hold my breath though. :depressed

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You have good points. :tu

Rudy really is in the driver’s seat of his own situation.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Oh ok auto correct. And your past posts really indicate youre hear to quote talk ball...

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*here

That was easy.

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Originally Posted by TimDunkem

But how much? Enough to significantly affect play on the court? I'm skeptical of that notion.

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I don't know. But their culture is like their third superstar right now. It may not be worth jeopardizing it for Bryn Forbes. Trading away RJ really seemed to lift up the team back in 2012. So we know that one person can affect chemistry a lot. The Spurs are loses sources of culture now with Tim and Bonner retired and with Manu and Tony near the door. Mills by himself may not be enough, but I'm struggling to figure out who would replace him. Not Kawhi or LMA -- they would have done it already. Not Gay, because he's him. What does Murray know? And they tried with Danny for a bit last year, and it didn't really work out outside of interviews.

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

You have good points. :tu

Rudy really is in the driver’s seat of his own situation.

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He has really surprised me. I didn't think he'd look even this good. Those achilles injuries are killer...It's only up from here for Rudy, imo.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Patty is the only old spur with character. Hes the bridge.

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I don't know. Bertans was waving a nasty towel on the bench tonight. Looks like Mills has some competition.

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Unknown. Best scorer, most consistent doesnt equate to leader.

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https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-...mpression=true

Gasol on Aldridge's put back with 24.2 second left: " “LaMarcus is showing great competitiveness and great heart and great leadership. I just love what I am seeing from him. He’s not just settling for jumpers. He’s going after balls, going after rebounds, making key plays."

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/sp...mpression=true

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Gasol on Aldridge's put back with 24.2 second left: " “LaMarcus is showing great competitiveness and great heart and great leadership. I just love what I am seeing from him. He’s not just settling for jumpers. He’s going after balls, going after rebounds, making key plays."

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A super-big play that kind of got lost in the wake of Manu's dagger trey.

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Originally Posted by sasaint

A super-big play that kind of got lost in the wake of Manu's dagger trey.

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Pretty sure that "grasping at straws" quote is from the first Thunder game.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I do think chemistry would go down if Patty were traded and Manu were to retire. Obviously the guys wouldn't forget how to play basketball (even the Spurs brand) without him. But as far as keeping the locker room steady, I'd be wary. Pop clearly values that highly given the money he's dolled out the past two off-seasons. He could be off his rocker, but he knows his roster better than we do, and if he thought Patty was a "keep at all costs" guy despite him having a down year, it's likely that he's more valuable off the court than guys want to give him credit for.

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This I believe too. Pop might be off his rocker or whatever with the chemistry thing, but I have seen players in this team describe Patty as basically the leader. Kyle of all ppl said it. Manu said Patty is like a bridge right now between himself and the new generation. Manu might not be as influential or close to the younger guys as Patty is. There’s probably a big disconnect between the Spurs younglings and the old dudes otherwise. Just not much in common, generations too far apart. Patty is definitely the “missing link” between the two generations to put it in some metaphorical way.

Kyle I believe the Spurs do want him back. I do have my doubts on what happens with him. It depends very much on addressing Rudy first. I do believe Spurs want him back so he has a good chance. We shall see what happens rest of the season and playoffs. I’d like Bryn back. And Although I like Davis a bunch I think he still remains the guy likeliest to not come back if Rudy does (TD 21 might have that one pegged).

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Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't know. But their culture is like their third superstar right now. It may not be worth jeopardizing it for Bryn Forbes. Trading away RJ really seemed to lift up the team back in 2012. So we know that one person can affect chemistry a lot. The Spurs are loses sources of culture now with Tim and Bonner retired and with Manu and Tony near the door. Mills by himself may not be enough, but I'm struggling to figure out who would replace him. Not Kawhi or LMA -- they would have done it already. Not Gay, because he's him. What does Murray know? And they tried with Danny for a bit last year, and it didn't really work out outside of interviews.

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In terms of chemistry, its might be Kyle if he’s re-signed.
Has nothing to do with him leading but just being a people person and a guy that Pop said, everyone enjoys playing with and who has a high bbiq. That’s if he comes back of course. There might be others. It’s difficult to know how influential guys like Pau are still. The youngsters have a lot to work on. Usually the leaders are at least veterans.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Not counting Bertans, you're probably close on your estimate. Dunno how you counted the pick and whatnot, but I've yet to do a real breakdown of the salaries. Anyway, Manu retiring won't free up space, because his contract was clearly two seasons so he could retire and keep the money. As far as I know, it's not an option, either, so he can't even opt out and re-sign another deal if he wants to stay. While the team could stretch him, I hope they don't. Tim's $1.6 Million next year is one of the things making the math tight. I also don't know what value you assigned for Parker, but I don't think he's going to sign for one more year. He's the best PG on the roster now, and that could still be the case next year. That's even more true if Manu retires.

As far as Forbes vs Bertans, I do think Bertans makes more sense if he can be a legit big. But I do think Forbes is better than Davis right now, and if Manu retires, I could see Bryn having a better shot at the rotation than Bertans does.

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-I went with the vet minimum for Parker, though I had a $5-10 million dollar, 1 year deal for him in mind initially.

- I didn't assign any money to Bertans but I used the aforementioned numbers for Gay and Anderson.


- I keep getting weird numbers when I look up the salary of the 27th pick in the 2018 draft so I used White's starting salary as a place holder.


-Also included Duncan's last year after the stretch and waive as well. If Manu were to retire I do think it is likely that they stretch and waive him, it would only cost about $833,333 for the next three seasons.

That would put the Spurs around $113 million if my math is close.