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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
How did they do that? As far as I know, there's random testing UP TO 4 times a year (which could mean none). And if you test positive for marijuana, you don't even get fined the first time.
This is directly from the NBA, don't get mad at me if it ain't right.
All players (veterans and rookies) will be tested at random 4 times during the season (once during training camp and 3 additional times during the season).
All players (veterans and rookies) will be subject to off-season testing.
Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).
The list of banned substances will be expanded to include all steroids made illegal by the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 2004, plus additional steroids and stimulants banned by WADA, and a provision will be added requiring that any substance declared illegal by Congress will automatically be added to the NBA’s banned substances list.
Other technical changes will be made to the program, such as lowering the threshold for a positive testosterone test from a ratio of 6:1 to a ratio of 4:1, as WADA did earlier this year, and changing the NBA’s testing laboratory to one accredited by WADA in order to take advantage of the most advanced laboratory science.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
This isn't the first time a representative body has entered into an agreement that was not fully supported by those it represented.
Your point? Its done with. Deal with it.
There is nothing they can do about it. That is until the two sides decide to meet on this again. Until then follow the rules. I am not bitter about NBA Players making more in a few years than me in a lifetime. I am just not going to try and understand them when they make so much. Do they care about you, me, and that other person when we get fired from our jobs? Are they there for all those people who get laid off from their jobs? When the health benefits run out for a family and the youngest child is terminally ill, but there is no money, do they go out of there way to argue for us to our employer? No.
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Okay now I'll show you what the CBA really says.
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Originally Posted by CBA
a player shall be required to undergo testing for Prohibited Substances at any time, without prior notice to the player, no more than four (4) times each Season. .
(So maybe not even once?)
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Originally Posted by Obstructed View
Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).
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Originally Posted by CBA
Any player who (i) tests positive for marijuana pursuant to Section 5 (Reasonable Cause Testing), Section 6 (Random Testing), or Section 14 (Additional Bases for Testing), (ii) is adjudged by the Grievance Arbitrator pursuant to Section 5(e) above to have used or possessed marijuana, or (iii) has been convicted of (including a plea of guilty, no contest or nolo contendere to) the use or possession of marijuana in violation of the law, shall suffer the following penalties:
(A) For the first such violation, the player shall be required to enter the Marijuana Program;
(B) For the second such violation, the player shall be fined $25,000 and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program;
(C) For the third such violation, the player shall be suspended for five (5) games and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program; and
(D) For any subsequent violation, the player shall be suspended for five (5) games longer than his immediately preceding suspension for violating the Marijuana Program and, if the player is not then subject to in-patient or aftercare treatment in the Marijuana Program, be required to enter the Marijuana Program.
Obviously there are harsher penalties for other drugs.
http://nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XXXIII.php
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
Sorry, Kori. Nothing you posted refutes my statement that they are cracking down.
EDIT: Even though you and I may agree that it isn't enough, I was simply pointing out that the dress code, while retarded, is part of a larger effort.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Obstructed View
Penalties for violators will be increased as follows: first offense -- 10 game suspension; second offense -- 25 game suspension; third offense -- dismissal and disqualification from the NBA (subject to reinstatement after two years).
Those are accurate for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
Sorry, Kori. Nothing you posted refutes my statement that they are cracking down.
How are they cracking down? By saying they MIGHT test up to 4 times per year? And if you test positive for marijuana (which is illegal) you don't get fined or suspended at all the first time?
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Those are accurate for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
Yeah, the marijuana program is a joke, but I admire anyone that could actually play basketball stoned. :)
But enough of my rantings...
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
Okay, back on track.
Sorry.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic
Your point? Its done with. Deal with it.
There is nothing they can do about it.
They can express their displeasure with it, and they can pay whatever fines they incur for not going along with it.
Meanwhile, their vocal opposition addresses cultural prejudices in our society.
Why does that bother people?
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/10...parker_508.jpg
According to the new rule, Duncan and Parker above are in violation. Because they are not wearing coats. Whoever still claims this rule is not stupid has some screw lose.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
They can express their displeasure with it, and they can pay whatever fines they incur for not going along with it. Why does that bother people?
There are bigger issues in life. That's why. Its a job that the "people" make run. Without the people, it doesn't run.
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There are bigger issues than a lot of crap we waste our time doing and talking about. So what?
There are bigger issues in the NBA than how a player dresses, so why is THAT such a big deal in the first place?
It only becomes irrelevant when the people we disagree with make their opinions known.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
There are bigger issues than a lot of crap we waste our time doing and talking about. So what?
There are bigger issues in the NBA than how a player dresses, so why is THAT such a big deal in the first place?
It only becomes irrelevant when the people we disagree with make their opinions known.
Would we give a crap of ordinary Joes that worked for a software company that were making millions of dollars all of sudden had to dress up to work when before they didn't have to? No.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by cheguevara
It may be dumb, but its a rule. Why complain? Just follow it.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic
Would we give a crap of ordinary Joes that worked for a software company that were making millions of dollars all of sudden had to dress up to work when before they didn't have to? No.
If someone started a thread on that topic, we'd all probably have an opinion on the matter.
In fact, I would bet more people would side with the ordinary Joes in that case, because less people would be bitter about their comparative salary. Plus, we probably wouldn't have found their previous attire to be as threatening as jewelry and baggy jeans.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Spurminator
If someone started a thread on that topic, we'd all probably have an opinion on the matter.
In fact, I would bet more people would side with the ordinary Joes in that case, because less people would be bitter about their comparative salary. Plus, we probably wouldn't have found their previous attire to be as threatening as jewelry and baggy jeans.
No one would start a thread on it.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic
It may be dumb, but its a rule. Why complain? Just follow it.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic
No one would start a thread on it.
They might in an IT forum.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Asked what he thought about the dress code, Popovich, who attended the Air Force Academy, said: "I don't think about dress codes much now. I did that when I was a cadet."
:tu
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And anyway, the software company comparison also ignores the cultural aspects of the NBA debate.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I dare you to go ask people who went through the above-mentioned such as my dad if what they went through compares to having to wear a sports coat a few days out of the week, but get paids millions to play basketball. You are trying to hard or very stupid to compare the two.
For you to compare a dress code to discrimination is dumb.
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MB is not the only person who feels that it is discriminatory.
The league's admission that they instituted this dress code because sponsers were concerned about the image of the league only inflames that.
I may not agree with Stephen Jackson, but he is not the only person who feels the dress code has racist origins or overtones.
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That's not the point. Your sentiment is what precisely has kept mankind down throughout its time on this rock.
Black, white, brown, yellow, male, female, etc...it doesn't matter.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic
I dare you to go ask people who went through the above-mentioned such as my dad if what they went through compares to having to wear a sports coat a few days out of the week, but get paids millions to play basketball. You are trying to hard or very stupid to compare the two.
For you to compare a dress code to discrimination is dumb.
I think he meant about following rules.
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Re: Duncan sounds off on the dress code
Do I need to post a copy of the Nuremberg Laws as well to make my point clear?
