Duncan sounds off on the dress code

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

If a company offers me a job that I love to do that will pay me around $6-10 million a year (9 months if you think about it), put me up in the best hotels this country has to offer when I travel, and pay me $6-10 million a year (9 months if you really think about) I am not going to complain when they tell me, "we need you to wear a suit for a few hours a day to keep this job."

Let's keep it real folks. If any of you were offered a job with the above-mentioned benefits, you would not complain one bit. If you would, you would be one of the dumbest if not the dumbest person on the face of this world.

Professional atheletes are spoiled. That's all it is.

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I'd sleep in a damn suit!

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Originally Posted by minusplus

I'd sleep in a damn suit!

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That's all I'm saying.

maybe the spurs will lose the some class image and actually get marketed by the nba now

Is David Stern going to clean up the 29 clubs' PA announcers at courtside?

Exhibit A: John Mason, hat, jersey, chains, & "B-B-B-B-B-buh buh Ben Wallissssssss!"

http://www.nba.com/media/pistons/john_mason.jpg

Mavs rookie free-agent forward Rawle Marshall has a two-year contract but only one year is guaranteed -- albeit at $398,762. He said, however, that he doesn't want to buy new clothes, especially since he won't receive his first full paycheck until Nov. 15.

"I'm living off my per diem [$102 a day] right now, so it's a tough situation," Marshall said. "But I've already got a special situation, because my uncle wears the same size as me. The rookies coming in now, we don't have money to buy some of that stuff."

what about this guy who is making 102 a day

suits are not cheap imo!

the dress code is a load of crap. certainly fortune 500 companies have dress codes, but it's about more than image and marketing. it's environment and situation. you don't go to the office with baggy jeans and whatnot because of the expectations and the nature of the business. the nba is a different beast entirely in which the main workers do, already, wear uniforms. that is the appropriate attire for their trade. telling them what to wear when not working (i.e., playing) is just stupid. it changes nothing about the image of the game because that image is crafted outside the court, on commercials, in newspapers and during the times that the players are outside the bounds of the dress code. thus, what gets headlines is kobe's rape trial, and he was not wearing a suit and even if he had it would have meant squat. the only thing this does is make the league look ignorant. this isn't high school, where clothing can make a difference in distracting students and show loyalyty to some gang that can cause disruptions. no one in the stands is going to be so overwhelmed by the attire that they stop watching the games or drinking their beers or buying the jerseys being marketed. this isn't the normal business establishment in which suits and business casual are the norm (and even then, that isn't the norm everywhere). this is just retarded and duncan nailed it.

Reminds me of the year Steve Kerr wore the powder blue tux he bought off e-bay to the Tux n Tennies. I say they all wear leisure suits! :lol

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Originally Posted by ducks

Mavs rookie free-agent forward Rawle Marshall has a two-year contract but only one year is guaranteed -- albeit at $398,762. He said, however, that he doesn't want to buy new clothes, especially since he won't receive his first full paycheck until Nov. 15.

"I'm living off my per diem [$102 a day] right now, so it's a tough situation," Marshall said. "But I've already got a special situation, because my uncle wears the same size as me. The rookies coming in now, we don't have money to buy some of that stuff."

what about this guy who is making 102 a day

suits are not cheap imo!

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I thought about that too. The guys who are going to be on the inactive list sitting on the bench to start the season are likely the guys who are on minimum contracts. And with their first paycheck coming on Nov 15, they'll probably be dressing pretty shabby from Nov 1 - 14.

And you are right .. sports coats/suits for guys who are that tall aren't cheap - they have to be customized.

Timmy can say and do what he wants. I for one respect him, others don't.

Does he get fined for not showing up to the bench if he's on reserve or injured? Does he get fined for staying in the locker room? Seriously, cause if he doesn't, he just neatly sidesteps the issue altogether.

I think Cuban made a great point about the lower wage players and how this adversely affects them. Now Timmy doesn't qualify, but we're not talking about $130 suit from K&G - they don't quite make the pants long enough. . . they are forced to buy and tailor expensive suits, because that's all that will fit them.

Timmy D and Steve Nash may dress casually, but they generally have a neat appearance, and are good role models - much better than Kobe, who generally wears a suit. I'll take that any day.

Professionalism is about an attitude - it's in how you speak and act. Professionalism varies between fields. I find Tim Duncan to be one of the most professional athletes in basketball, because he quietly goes about his business, taking responsibility when he has done something wrong, not blaming his teammates or the coaches or the refs, not bashing other teams, not posturing after a big play or in front of the cameras. That is professionalism in basketball - it has everything to do with how one acts on the court. And off the court as well, in interviews, in charity events, around the public.

Further, if the goal is really to eradicate the gangsta image or as some are suggesting, the black image, what about the tats and fros and cornrows? Are those next? I can't imagine corporate America/sponsers being comfortable with those hairstyles. . . And when are they going to suspend people for being arrested? Three convictions (rape, drugs, drunk driving, murder charges, anything) and you're out? Oh, right - that's all part of personal life, not business, so they can't regulate it. You would think they would realize that attire might fall under the same category, but they can manipulate that, so they do.

Sad that it's so superficial, and they think it'll make it better.

Sadder that a major intiative that really would improve their image is buried irretrievably under this story.

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Originally Posted by ducks

Mavs rookie free-agent forward Rawle Marshall has a two-year contract but only one year is guaranteed -- albeit at $398,762. He said, however, that he doesn't want to buy new clothes, especially since he won't receive his first full paycheck until Nov. 15.

"I'm living off my per diem [$102 a day] right now, so it's a tough situation," Marshall said. "But I've already got a special situation, because my uncle wears the same size as me. The rookies coming in now, we don't have money to buy some of that stuff."

what about this guy who is making 102 a day

suits are not cheap imo!

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So from now to Nov. 15 he is making $102 a day. That likes if one of us was working eight hours a day and making about $12 and some change per/hour? Right? The dress code goes into effect Nov. 1st. So for two weeks this guys will make $1428. You're telling me he can't find a few suits for about $150-200.

C'mon. Come up with a better argument. After two weeks he will start making a lot more money. We're talking six figures here.

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You're telling me he can't find a few suits for about $150-200.

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If someone is about 6'6 or more, I don't think a suit is that cheap. But they'll do what they have to do. They are about to get paid.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

And I believe that some players have in their endorsement contracts with shoe companies that they must wear their shoes/apparel at media, publicity events. So now the players will be breaching their endorsement contracts by wearing dress shoes, etc.

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Aren't they creating a marketing opportunity for the shoe companies? How much would they pay Duncan to take a $10,000 fine for wearing their tennis shoes during a media event and have it mentioned in every recap of the game?

who knows if he has good credit?
and I would be SHOCKED if his suit would be less then $200 because he is so tall and his arms are long. THEY HAVE TO BE MADE JUST FOR HIM! THEREFORE HIS PRICE WENT UP.
ALSO this is the 19. SOOOOOOOOOOO CAN he have one done by the first of nov 1?

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Originally Posted by ducks

who knows if he has good credit?
and I would be SHOCKED if his suit would be less then $200 because he is so tall and his arms are long. THEY HAVE TO BE MADE JUST FOR HIM! THEREFORE HIS PRICE WENT UP.
ALSO this is the 19. SOOOOOOOOOOO CAN he have one done by the first of nov 1?

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Most likely I'd think they'd borrow a sportcoat from another player or whatever until they get paid.

But they shouldn't have to borrow one. What is inappropriate about wearing team gear on the bench or in interviews or to and from the bus? Nice jeans or warm-ups with a Team shirt or jersey? Not allowed under the dress code, but advertising their team.

That's silly.

And will someone tell me why players have to shower and dress in 'nice' clothes for interviews, when it would be quicker if they could wear team gear? I just don't see the point of eliminating that.

This issue reminds me of an interesting scenario that happened some 10 years ago in India. The official sponsors for the cricket world cup '96 was Coca-Cola, which was virtually non-existent in India at that time. Pepsi were ruling the market and most cricket stars were endorsing Pepsi.

You know who won the whole deal? Pepsi, by spending less money - They ran ADs on all non-sports channels saying "there is nothing official about it!". It was such a huge hit. World cup organisers had to eat their own crow :lol :lol


I really wish AI, Timmy and the rest who oppose dress code really get a chance to endorse casual/do-rag/baggy stuff (which connects to people instantly rather than a wifebeater endorsing Armani).

:lol :lol

Hey "There is nothing official about it".

I hope Timmy and the rest win this battle.

You do realize this is a direct result of Ron "I have two active brain cells" Artest and his KFC-eating pal Stephen Jackson's actions last year in Detroit right? The league is still trying to deal with that fiasco from a public relations standpoint and this is just one of David Stern's tentacles extending to do just that. Personally, I could care less what players wear to games, after all, the guys that are sitting on the bench in street clothes every night are total jabronies to begin with. Who cares what Tracy Murray is wearing while waving a towel?!

As for Marcus Camby's comments about how the league should give players an allowance to pay for the clothes- it's comments like this and Spreewell's from last year that sometimes make it very difficult to watch basketball and support the NBA. These guys make MILLIONS of dollars to play a goddamn sport and the fact they would complain about money redefines pathetic. Guess what Marcus, the people that pay your salary- us fans make NOWHERE near what you make and pay for the clothes we wear to work with our little salaries you dumb shit. Go back to being an injury-prone wannabe Center and don't open your mouth when it requires your brain to compute anything more intellectually challenging than the lyrics to newest 50 Cent track.

Fucking total dipshit.

Was that racist Mr. Jackson?

And I am dissapointed in Tim as well for lowering himself into Allen Iverson, Stephen Jackson, Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell territory with those comments about staying in the lockeroom. Tim- you make 17 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO PLAY FUCKING BASKETBALL- you don't do anything relevant in the bigger picture. You are about as significant to this world as a bumper sticker. Just wear the damn clothes and shut you fucking mouth.

Duncan could have a larger contract if the owners didn't fuck him. The league is there because of the players as much as it is because of the owners.

Who gives a shit if Duncan wears what he wants to a game? Christ, you're watching the man run around in shorts and a wifebeater on the court.

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Originally Posted by Walton Buys Off Me

You do realize this is a direct result of Ron "I have two active brain cells" Artest and his KFC-eating pal Stephen Jackson's actions last year in Detroit right? The league is still trying to deal with that fiasco from a public relations standpoint and this is just one of David Stern's tentacles extending to do just that. Personally, I could care less what players wear to games, after all, the guys that are sitting on the bench in street clothes every night are total jabronies to begin with. Who cares what Tracy Murray is wearing while waving a towel?!

As for Marcus Camby's comments about how the league should give players an allowance to pay for the clothes- it's comments like this and Spreewell's from last year that sometimes make it very difficult to watch basketball and support the NBA. These guys make MILLIONS of dollars to play a goddamn sport and the fact they would complain about money redefines pathetic. Guess what Marcus, the people that pay your salary- us fans make NOWHERE near what you make and pay for the clothes we wear to work with our little salaries you dumb shit. Go back to be an injury-prone wannabe Center and don't open your mouth when it requires your brain to compute anything more intellectually challenging than the lyrics to newest 50 Cent track.

Fucking total dipshit.

Was that racist Mr. Jackson?

And I am dissapointed in Tim as well for lowering himself into Allen Iverson, Stephen Jackson, Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell territory with those comments about staying in the lockeroom. Tim- you make 17 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO PLAY FUCKING BASKETBALL- you don't do anything relevant in the bigger picture. You are about as significant to thsi world as a bumper sticker. Just wear the damn clothes and shut you fucking mouth.

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I was going to same something like this, but without the curse words, but the pretty much sums it up. That argument about rookies and guys who aren't making millions is retarded. After my senior year, I wanted a job to save some money to put a down payment on a new car.

I found a job that paid me $9.75/hour. I worked 40 hours a week. Do the math. I had to wear dress slacks, dress shoes, dress shirts, and a tie. Did I complain? No. Did I like it? No. However, I did what I had do to get paid so put a down payment on a car I wanted. Those shirts, shoes, slacks, and ties weren't cheap, but I had to do it. Its called the real world. These players need to give me a break.

I am not saying they should not buy it. But everyone thinks all the nba players make millions so they should have no problem buying the clothles. that is is not true

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Originally Posted by Walton Buys Off Me

You do realize this is a direct result of Ron "I have two active brain cells" Artest and his KFC-eating pal Stephen Jackson's actions last year in Detroit right? The league is still trying to deal with that fiasco from a public relations standpoint and this is just one of David Stern's tentacles extending to do just that. Personally, I could care less what players wear to games, after all, the guys that are sitting on the bench in street clothes every night are total jabronies to begin with. Who cares what Tracy Murray is wearing while waving a towel?!

As for Marcus Camby's comments about how the league should give players an allowance to pay for the clothes- it's comments like this and Spreewell's from last year that sometimes make it very difficult to watch basketball and support the NBA. These guys make MILLIONS of dollars to play a goddamn sport and the fact they would complain about money redefines pathetic. Guess what Marcus, the people that pay your salary- us fans make NOWHERE near what you make and pay for the clothes we wear to work with our little salaries you dumb shit. Go back to being an injury-prone wannabe Center and don't open your mouth when it requires your brain to compute anything more intellectually challenging than the lyrics to newest 50 Cent track.

Fucking total dipshit.

Was that racist Mr. Jackson?

And I am dissapointed in Tim as well for lowering himself into Allen Iverson, Stephen Jackson, Marcus Camby, Latrell Spreewell territory with those comments about staying in the lockeroom. Tim- you make 17 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO PLAY FUCKING BASKETBALL- you don't do anything relevant in the bigger picture. You are about as significant to this world as a bumper sticker. Just wear the damn clothes and shut you fucking mouth.

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I agree with you,except without all the cussing in your post.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Duncan could have a larger contract if the owners didn't fuck him. The league is there because of the players as much as it is because of the owners.

Who gives a shit if Duncan wears what he wants to a game? Christ, you're watching the man run around in shorts and a wifebeater on the court.

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Duncan isn't the owner though. He is a NBA Player. When he makes as much money as the owners do and decides to buy a franchise he can do the same to others. The owners are in the business to make money. What's wrong with that? That's what all owners of companies do.

Answer me this Marcus. If you had a job offer that would pay you around $3-7 million to do what you love for about nine months and put you up in the best hotels when you traveled, but required you to wear suits 3-4 days out of the week for a few hours, would you take it?

Mark Cuban dresses like someone's little brother. Maybe the league should start imposing dress codes on the owners? Holt Cat always likes to relax courtside with the tie off. That's a no-no, Mr. Holt. We wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong impression about the game, now would we?

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What does Duncan think about the dress code?

"I think it's a load of crap," Duncan said. "I understand what they're trying to do with the hats and do-rags and jerseys and stuff. That's fine. But I don't understand why they would take it to this level. I think it's basically retarded.

"I don't like the direction they're going, but who am I?"

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I'm with Timmy.

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Duncan said he might choose to stay in the locker room on nights he isn't playing. [/B]

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Here's hoping this is never an issue! = )

This eally just goes to show how much politics and sports do not mix.