Duncan sounds off on the dress code

Bottom line is that this dress code was supposedly part of the CBA negotiations, so there's nothing to do about it at this point.

I personally would have made the dress code a little more relaxed - buttondown shirt, tucked in, no sportcoat if you are inactive on the bunch. And probably no restrictions on what you are wearing when you coming in and out of the arena, etc.

If the league is hell bent on cleaning up the NBA image that is supposedly upsetting the corporations, then how about getting a little more strict on other things .. steeper fines/suspensions for arrests, drug violations, etc. I mean really .. how often do vets get tested for drugs? Once a season? And if it's a marijuana violation, what happens? Nothing but being put on private probationary period til the next time?

It's funny that a player can get arrested and not miss any playing time or get a fine, but God forbid Tim Duncan wear a Sean John T-Shirt and Timberlands.

I one hundred percent agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Mark Cuban dresses like someone's little brother. Maybe the league should start imposing dress codes on the owners? Holt Cat always likes to relax courtside with the tie off. That's a no-no, Mr. Holt. We wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong impression about the game, now would we?

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You didn't answer me. You know you would take that opportunity if it presented itself to you.

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

This eally just goes to show how much politics and sports do not mix.

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Unfortunately Stern is trying ot mix'em. He seems to be sticking to an agenda rather than use his head to arrive at a sensible decision on it.

As Timmy put it, it's just as retarded as it can get.

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

Duncan isn't the owner though. He is a NBA Player. When he makes as much money as the owners do and decides to buy a franchise he can do the same to others. The owners are in the business to make money. What's wrong with that? That's what all owners of companies do.

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That's great. Duncan is also the best player in the game. It's not like the Spurs or League can terminate him and then bring in someone else who can fill his role. That's precisely why this isn't a case where management can dictate to the 'employees' what they can and cannot do. The players have power whether you like it or not. They are the ones who made this league. Finding a bunch of stiffs who want to fund it didn't make the game. The players did. Dr.J, Wilt, Ice, Magic, Bird, Barkley, Shaq, DRob, TD, and of course, the greatest of them all...MJ.

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Answer me this Marcus. If you had a job offer that would pay you around $3-7 million to do what you love for about nine months and put you up in the best hotels when you traveled, but required you to wear suits 3-4 days out of the week for a few hours, would you take it?

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Yeah but it's not as if the league was that way when the players joined it.

I like Mark Cuban. He is eccentric at times but a good thinker and isn't afraid to speak his mind.
I admire that in a person.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Bottom line is that this dress code was supposedly part of the CBA negotiations, so there's nothing to do about it at this point.

I personally would have made the dress code a little more relaxed - buttondown shirt, tucked in, no sportcoat if you are inactive on the bunch. And probably no restrictions on what you are wearing when you coming in and out of the arena, etc.

If the league is hell bent on cleaning up the NBA image that is supposedly upsetting the corporations, then how about getting a little more strict on other things .. steeper fines/suspensions for arrests, drug violations, etc. I mean really .. how often do vets get tested for drugs? Once a season? And if it's a marijuana violation, what happens? Nothing but being put on private probationary period til the next time?

It's funny that a player can get arrested and not miss any playing time or get a fine, but God forbid Tim Duncan wear a Sean John T-Shirt and Timberlands.

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It's sad the NBA execs and team owners just couldn't arrive at this kind of sensible thing.

For those who are bashing Timmy, he never crossed the line.

I guess if Duncan stays inside the locker room we can start to call him
"Dungeon Timmy"

The players of the 80's were partying on cocaine and pot 24/7.

But at least they were wearing suits :tu

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Bottom line is that this dress code was supposedly part of the CBA negotiations, so there's nothing to do about it at this point.

I personally would have made the dress code a little more relaxed - buttondown shirt, tucked in, no sportcoat if you are inactive on the bunch. And probably no restrictions on what you are wearing when you coming in and out of the arena, etc.

If the league is hell bent on cleaning up the NBA image that is supposedly upsetting the corporations, then how about getting a little more strict on other things .. steeper fines/suspensions for arrests, drug violations, etc. I mean really .. how often do vets get tested for drugs? Once a season? And if it's a marijuana violation, what happens? Nothing but being put on private probationary period til the next time?

It's funny that a player can get arrested and not miss any playing time or get a fine, but God forbid Tim Duncan wear a Sean John T-Shirt and Timberlands.

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...or listen to his iPod before a game.

It's such a crock, this dress code. People like to knock players for dressing down to 'work' but then they are the ones wearing jeans, shorts, sandals and whatever else at the office when they don't have to meet with clients.

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

You didn't answer me. You know you would take that opportunity if it presented itself to you.

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I answered you.

You know, we need to institute a 'forum code' in here.

i think another factor is the heat in south texas
its fucking harsh to make someone wear a suit and tie in april, may, june, july

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

The players of the 80's were partying on cocaine and pot 24/7.

But at least they were wearing suits :tu

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And Shawn Kemp started a whole new trend :lol :lol

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Originally Posted by angel_luv

I like Mark Cuban. He ie eccentric at times but a good thinker and isn't afraid to speak his mind.
I admire that in a person.

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I agree. I respect Cuban "the brain" for business but not the owner for the Mavs. I like his enthusiasm on life.Very admirable.

I think Mark made some excellent and insightful points.

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" When a team is unable or afraid to communicate their message or iniative to their front office or players, or when they know they have a problem they are afraid or unable to deal with, they ask the Commissioner to create a league wide edict. This is a convenient out for the teams. "

The following was brought up in another thread.

"The reality is that sports coats on the bench sounds good, but its not a good idea. The league knows i feel this way. A minimum salary rookie makes more money than most of America, and we all have to buy our own clothes for work, but not many of us have to have specially tailored clothes because we are 6’8. Those arent cheap."

Unfortunately

"This is ALL we are going to hear about for months.

" The NBA puts out the release for what is unquestionably the best program the NBA has EVER introduced on the same day as the dress code is released.
The NBA CARES global out reach initiative. $100 Million Dollars to charity. 1 MILLION HOURS of hands on service by players for charitable causes. Its absolutely , positively brilliant.
Its an amazing program that had it been released without all this dress code nonsense, would have gotten loads of great coverage. Coverage that would have gone a long way towards helping those few sponsors who dont understand, that the NBA has great guys who really do care."

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Said Ginobili: "I can understand the point of why they did it. The thing is there's always a gray area. Are these dress shoes? Are these jeans nice?

"I know many of the players won't like it because it's not what they do. But at least it's not what they thought it was going to be, like jackets all the time and suits.

I just saw this. I have been wondering what Gino thought.

Let's drop the pretense here. The league is concerned about what certain sponsors (who market to 'Middle America') think about the image of its players.

That's not going to change if you have a tattooed and headband wearing Allen Iverson wearing a suit. If someone thinks he's a thug, that's not going to change their mind.

What a dumb fucking policy.

Cuban raises good points. I don't see the need for a dress code but I don't have a real problem with it either. I still don't like some things Cuban does but I do applaud him for being active in league issues and the devotion he has for his team.

Freaking hypocrites. You all would wear suits for a few hours for several days out of the week for the job you loved so much that paid you millions of dollars a year and that provided the best hotels for you when you traveled.

A job that takes care of you, your family, your children, their children, your friends, and possibly their friends for life. A job that lets you afford a 5-6 thousand square foot home, a Hummer on 22's, a Mercedes for the wife, a boat for the dad, and so on. Don't freaking lie.

I wear shorts and sandals to the office. Am I a bad person?

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

Freaking hypocrites. You all would wear suits for a few hours for several days out of the week for the job you loved so much that paid you millions of dollars a year and that provided the best hotels for you when you traveled.

A job that takes care of you, your family, your children, their children, your friends, and possibly their friends for life. A job that lets you afford a 5-6 thousand square foot home, a Hummer on 22's, a Mercedes for the wife, a boat for the dad, and so on. Don't freaking lie.

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No one is saying that they wouldn't comply. None of the players are even saying that they won't comply (except maybe Timmy hiding in the lockerroom).

But it doesn't mean that it was a correct or logical thing to implement.

Dressing a thug in a suit doesn't make him a saint.
It makes him a thug in a suit.

Dressing a saint in a throwback doesn't make him a thug.
It makes him a saint in a throwback.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

I wear shorts and sandals to the office. Am I a bad person?

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for sure you're not in the public eye.You're company doesn't give a rat whether you breathe or don't.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

No one is saying that they wouldn't comply. None of the players are even saying that they won't comply (except maybe Timmy hiding in the lockerroom).

But it doesn't mean that it was a correct or logical thing to implement.

Dressing a thug in a suit doesn't make him a saint.
It makes him a thug in a suit.

Dressing a saint in a throwback doesn't make him a thug.
It makes him a saint in a throwback.

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I understand what you are all saying. I really do. I hate dressing up to go to work. However, its what I have to do. This job provides me with what I need to survive and enjoy life. Why complain? Its your job. Period. Whether it doesn't change A.I as a person or not doesn't matter. The NBA is an employer and set some rules about dressing up. Big Deal. They can do that because they are in charge. They pay the salaries. If the players don't like it, find another employer who will pay you as much doing what you love.

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Originally Posted by minusplus

for sure you're not in the public eye.You're company doesn't give a rat whether you breathe or don't.

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Nice assumption.

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Originally Posted by Kip Fanatic

Freaking hypocrites.

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The only hypocrites around here are those who think the players should be "thankful" for the right to play basketball and just bend over to the dress code, but say nothing about the owners.

I guess its those salt-of-the-earth owners like Cuban, Shinn, and Holt who do all the hard work for the league while those lazy gansta players just sit around in their thug clothes and reap the benefits.