Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
When the State tells the Church that their views are not aligned with their progressive ideologies.
Ummmm let me see off the top of my head...
Houston Ex-Mayor requesting that pastors and ministers submit their sermons ahead of time to ensure that "the teaching of homosexuality as a sin" be removed or otherwise be subjected to punishment by city ordinance.
yeah, i'd agree that's an overreach. so did the mayor of houston
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Mayor Parker agrees with those who are concerned about the city legal department’s subpoenas for pastor’s sermons. The subpoenas were issued by pro bono attorneys helping the city prepare for the trial regarding the petition to repeal the new Houston Equal Rights Ordinance (HERO) in January. Neither the mayor nor City Attorney David Feldman were aware the subpoenas had been issued until yesterday. Both agree the original documents were overly broad. The city will move to narrow the scope during an upcoming court hearing. Feldman says the focus should be only on communications related to the HERO petition process.
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When the State tells teachers that because they are "federal employees" they cannot observe their religious practices while on school grounds.
well, no. they're told they're state employees. and they are state employees. and they aren't forbidden from observing religious practices on school grounds. they just can't do so as part of the classroom curriculum. nothing is stopping them from saying a prayer during recess, at the faculty lounge, etc.
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When the State tells military chaplains that they cannot observe the religious practices of their own personal faith - so as to not offend those of other faiths.
nah, US courts have upheld the right of the military to have chaplains. that's distinct from public ceremonies, where you take out the voluntary factor. only in public ceremonies are they restricted to non-sectarian prayer. public ceremony enters establishment land, not free exercise land. nobody is saying the chaplains can't pray on their own time.
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When the State intrudes upon the curricular preferences of parents with home-schooled children - so long as standardized tests are passed, they should have no other jurisprudence.
this is not a free exercise issue. nobody is stopping parents and children from engaging in religious activity, believing in myths, etc
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When the State tells parents that an unwillingness to accept "transgenderism" is considered "abuse" - and that the State has a right in such cases to take the child away.
yeah when the kid starts having suicidal tendencies as a result, you're protecting the life of the child. again, that has nothing to do with free exercise. the parents are free to believe in any deity and pray all they want.
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When the State forces business owners, artisans or craftsmen, to create products that violate their personal religious views.
i do think this is a much more controversial issue than the other ones. this one is currently under review by the supreme court.
in the meantime, we had a case here in California where the court ruled in favor of a baker, saying that they should not be required to make a specific cake.
i think its pretty clear that you cant refuse service to somebody... but the question of whether you should be forced to make a specific product is very much under reivew
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Look...
We're ideological opposites. Your worldview is radically different from my own. I'm not here to try and convince you that you should believe as I do. I inherently believe that you have the free will to believe whatever you want. Unfortunately, those with progressive ideologies don't extend that same consideration. There is no mutual reciprocity when it comes to the freedom of worldview belief. They want conservatives and people with religious beliefs to bow at the altar of their ideologies.
I don't have to agree with someone's views to understand that they inherently have a right to believe as they wish. For example, I believe the KKK embodies hateful, ignorant ideology - I DON'T AGREE WITH IT AT ALL. BUT, in this country they have the right to believe as they wish - much to their own detriment (hate breeds anger and discontent - which robs them of peace, and love - so ultimately, they can never truly harbor happiness).
the thing is, i'm not trying to convince you to adopt my worldview. i'm not trying to convince you to drop any religious beliefs or anything like that. i just think people blur the lines between the free exercise clause and the establishment clause. free expression is what an individual does. establishment is what a state entity does in its official capacity. a state official is free to observe their religious beliefs when it is not part of their official capacity (ie kim davis not issuing marriage licenses)
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
I always thought the founders were much closer to what we now consider libertarian rather than conservative or liberal.
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Can't we just talk basketball...why does everything become a political debate???
That's why we have a political forum...so I can ignore it and concentrate on what's truly important in this world...the state of the San Antonio Spurs.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Ed Helicopter Jones
Can't we just talk basketball...why does everything become a political debate???
That's why we have a political forum...so I can ignore it and concentrate on what's truly important in this world...the state of the San Antonio Spurs.
My apologies Mr. Jones. I stopped posting in the political forum 1 or 2 years ago because peeps there were so hateful and vindictive. Someone there (I have my hunch on who it was based on the fact that I was calling out his fuzzy math), had the audacity to look me up - call my employer and tell them I was posting on a public blog/forum during work hours.
:lol They attempted to get me fired from my day job. Of course my employer blew them off because I manage to produce at a very high level for them regardless of how I decide to spend my time (even giving me the flexibility to work from home if I so desired). The point is that the liberal, atheist peeps in that sub-forum can't stand people with different viewpoints. To go out of their way to do that is rather telling. It crosses a line.
I have to protect my family, my children, my home, my livelihood... and if peeps here can't keep their own anger contained, that they would be willing to mess with someone else like that - it's despicable, petty, and shameless.
As an aside, Politics and Spurs is a thing now... Blame Pop for trying to change the focal point of the Spurs Organization away from basketball operations and towards activist endorsement of the Democratic Party. :lol
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
yeah, i'd agree that's an overreach. so did the mayor of houston
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well, no. they're told they're state employees. and they are state employees. and they aren't forbidden from observing religious practices on school grounds. they just can't do so as part of the classroom curriculum. nothing is stopping them from saying a prayer during recess, at the faculty lounge, etc.
nah, US courts have upheld the right of the military to have chaplains. that's distinct from public ceremonies, where you take out the voluntary factor. only in public ceremonies are they restricted to non-sectarian prayer. public ceremony enters establishment land, not free exercise land. nobody is saying the chaplains can't pray on their own time.
this is not a free exercise issue. nobody is stopping parents and children from engaging in religious activity, believing in myths, etc
yeah when the kid starts having suicidal tendencies as a result, you're protecting the life of the child. again, that has nothing to do with free exercise. the parents are free to believe in any deity and pray all they want.
i do think this is a much more controversial issue than the other ones. this one is currently under review by the supreme court.
in the meantime, we had a case here in California where the court ruled in favor of a baker, saying that they should not be required to make a specific cake.
i think its pretty clear that you cant refuse service to somebody... but the question of whether you should be forced to make a specific product is very much under reivew
the thing is, i'm not trying to convince you to adopt my worldview. i'm not trying to convince you to drop any religious beliefs or anything like that. i just think people blur the lines between the free exercise clause and the establishment clause. free expression is what an individual does. establishment is what a state entity does in its official capacity. a state official is free to observe their religious beliefs when it is not part of their official capacity (ie kim davis not issuing marriage licenses)
Even if I disagree somewhat with your perspective on the matter, thank you for taking the time to give the examples thoughtful rebuttals. For example Houston Ex-Mayor Parker's attempt at overreach was nevertheless attempted - because that is what social progressivism requires (and hence the emphasis of their intent). But yeah, we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
My apologies Mr. Jones. I stopped posting in the political forum 1 or 2 years ago because peeps there were so hateful and vindictive. Someone there (I have my hunch on who it was based on the fact that I was calling out his fuzzy math), had the audacity to look me up - call my employer and tell them I was posting on a public blog/forum during work hours.
:lol They attempted to get me fired from my day job. Of course my employer blew them off because I manage to produce at a very high level for them regardless of how I decide to spend my time (even giving me the flexibility to work from home if I so desired). The point is that the liberal, atheist peeps in that sub-forum can't stand people with different viewpoints. To go out of their way to do that is rather telling. It crosses a line.
I have to protect my family, my children, my home, my livelihood... and if peeps here can't keep their own anger contained, that they would be willing to mess with someone else like that - it's despicable, petty, and shameless.
As an aside, Politics and Spurs is a thing now... Blame Pop for trying to change the focal point of the Spurs Organization away from basketball operations and towards activist endorsement of the Democratic Party. :lol
Wow. Well said and wow at whoever attempted to mess up with you personally in thay way... That's not just petty and vindictive but There's an element of cyberbullying in this forum since its unmoderated without any control.
I was going to reply to Ed Helicopter that Pop's belief in freedom of speech and the first amendment has invited political and social discussion in forums normally not directed at audiences that what to talk about those things but then I saw your post and figured you had it covered. I detest talking politics personally, like talking religion, you basically aren't going to persuade anyone but those that were already inclined to your beliefs and for the rest there's just a lot of asinine and waste of time, effort and getting in a bad mood. I am too cynical maybe... And that's fine by me.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
My apologies Mr. Jones. I stopped posting in the political forum 1 or 2 years ago because peeps there were so hateful and vindictive. Someone there (I have my hunch on who it was based on the fact that I was calling out his fuzzy math), had the audacity to look me up - call my employer and tell them I was posting on a public blog/forum during work hours.
:lol They attempted to get me fired from my day job. Of course my employer blew them off because I manage to produce at a very high level for them regardless of how I decide to spend my time (even giving me the flexibility to work from home if I so desired). The point is that the liberal, atheist peeps in that sub-forum can't stand people with different viewpoints. To go out of their way to do that is rather telling. It crosses a line.
I have to protect my family, my children, my home, my livelihood... and if peeps here can't keep their own anger contained, that they would be willing to mess with someone else like that - it's despicable, petty, and shameless.
As an aside, Politics and Spurs is a thing now... Blame Pop for trying to change the focal point of the Spurs Organization away from basketball operations and towards activist endorsement of the Democratic Party. :lol
thats crazy. who was that, fuzzylumpkins? i know he supposedly sent a letter to somebody's employer over an argument
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
spurraider21
thats crazy. who was that, fuzzylumpkins? i know he supposedly sent a letter to somebody's employer over an argument
That's my hunch, because when that event played out he and I were caught up in a week long "debate" over the merits of an article --> which (inexplicably, and to everyone's surprise :lol) morphed into an atheism vs. theism discussion. Tbh, I'm glad I don't post there anymore. People refuse to be civil and make everything an ego match. In the real world (outside of the cyberworld) I have many friends that are agnostics and some even atheist - I try and treat folks like I want to be treated (regardless if they reciprocate). Behind the anonymity of a username, however, folks here are emboldened to behave bullishly. Frankly it's not worth the time to deal with unnecessary spite. There comes a point where stubbornness becomes foolishness.
Anyways, that incident was the straw that broke the camel's back. I have no need to value myself based on the ridiculous and petty desire to have others agree with my own viewpoints/opinions. Some here, however, live for that.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
My apologies Mr. Jones. I stopped posting in the political forum 1 or 2 years ago because peeps there were so hateful and vindictive. Someone there (I have my hunch on who it was based on the fact that I was calling out his fuzzy math), had the audacity to look me up - call my employer and tell them I was posting on a public blog/forum during work hours.
:lol They attempted to get me fired from my day job. Of course my employer blew them off because I manage to produce at a very high level for them regardless of how I decide to spend my time (even giving me the flexibility to work from home if I so desired). The point is that the liberal, atheist peeps in that sub-forum can't stand people with different viewpoints. To go out of their way to do that is rather telling. It crosses a line.
I have to protect my family, my children, my home, my livelihood... and if peeps here can't keep their own anger contained, that they would be willing to mess with someone else like that - it's despicable, petty, and shameless.
As an aside, Politics and Spurs is a thing now... Blame Pop for trying to change the focal point of the Spurs Organization away from basketball operations and towards activist endorsement of the Democratic Party. :lol
Sorry to hear that you had to go through that Phenomanul. This place should be fun...not full of BS like that.
It's easy for people to hide behind their screen names. Makes a lot of people who are otherwise weak and cowardly, pretty bold, arrogant and aggressive.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
SAGirl
Wow. Well said and wow at whoever attempted to mess up with you personally in thay way... That's not just petty and vindictive but There's an element of cyberbullying in this forum since its unmoderated without any control.
I was going to reply to Ed Helicopter that Pop's belief in freedom of speech and the first amendment has invited political and social discussion in forums normally not directed at audiences that what to talk about those things but then I saw your post and figured you had it covered. I detest talking politics personally, like talking religion, you basically aren't going to persuade anyone but those that were already inclined to your beliefs and for the rest there's just a lot of asinine and waste of time, effort and getting in a bad mood. I am too cynical maybe... And that's fine by me.
Yeah the level of hostility in that sub-forum is crazy. Real hatred is flung around without a care of civility. The dynamic that led to the extreme polarization we see in the country today, has been present in that sub-forum since I can remember.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
Phenomanul
My apologies Mr. Jones. I stopped posting in the political forum 1 or 2 years ago because peeps there were so hateful and vindictive. Someone there (I have my hunch on who it was based on the fact that I was calling out his fuzzy math), had the audacity to look me up - call my employer and tell them I was posting on a public blog/forum during work hours.
:lol They attempted to get me fired from my day job. Of course my employer blew them off because I manage to produce at a very high level for them regardless of how I decide to spend my time (even giving me the flexibility to work from home if I so desired). The point is that the liberal, atheist peeps in that sub-forum can't stand people with different viewpoints. To go out of their way to do that is rather telling. It crosses a line.
I have to protect my family, my children, my home, my livelihood... and if peeps here can't keep their own anger contained, that they would be willing to mess with someone else like that - it's despicable, petty, and shameless.
As an aside, Politics and Spurs is a thing now... Blame Pop for trying to change the focal point of the Spurs Organization away from basketball operations and towards activist endorsement of the Democratic Party. :lol
:lmao Damn ST, y’all wild. I hope the mfer who did that caught some exotic mortal virus at minimun.
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Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
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Originally Posted by
r0drig0lac
thanks for sharing... not surprised.
I have said all along the rumors about him to the Spurs were more media chatter than anything realistic.
What I do hope is that the Spurs look at that and don't decide standing pat is the way to go just bc they can't get Lebron. Though I think this season they can't afford it.. they again have a lot of FA of their own and perhaps Manu is retiring one doesn't know, but it's a possibility. Spurs have to be on the lookout for their next iteration anyways.
Re: Pop subtly recruiting LeBron
Have a feeling he's Rockets bound. Harden, CP3, LeBron and another all-star is to tempting for James.
