Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Chinook
Calling me an "apologist" is wrong because it's inaccurate, but it's an ad homenim because you are trying to assert the reason why I'm disagreeing with your take is because I like all of PATFO's moves, not just because I think your ideas are bad or need work.
Second, I've largely avoided "taking shots" at you. You're extremely sensitive and take a lot of things as personal insults against you, just as you like to read racisim into a lot of people's opinions. I largely live my ST life without thinking "Oh no, TD21 posted something. Gotta go insult that dude." I think one or two posters may have a problem with you. The rest likely don't really care, me included.
Gotta laugh at you simultaneously complaining about other people's loser mentalities while also cowering in fear of the Rockets (even going so far as to act like Houston without Paul is equal to SA fully healthy last year).
Apologists are like racists; virtually no one thinks they are one. Speaking of which, you're obviously too whitewashed to pick up on coded language, biases and hypocrisy. Sometimes they're unintentional, but either way, that has nothing to do with being sensitive and I won't apologize for not suffering fools.
That's not a loser mentality, that's being a realist. You're just too much of a delusional homer to see and/or admit it.
Quote:
Another assumption, and one that seems destined to be wrong. They'd likely explode with salary next season, especially if you think guys like Anderson will re-up or that the team will want to use their MLE (which you know, "contending" and all that). After that, you're talking Cavs-esque salaries, much more than, say Houston currently has.
I'm talking specifically in my proposed trade, genius. They'd add about $4.5M, but once you account for whatever Bertans would receive, that number could be 0. Whatever Anderson, Green, Parker, Forbes receive is independent of that.
Quote:
The real distinction you're trying to make is that this is just a fantasy you're presenting rather than a prediction.
:lmao The audacity to tell me the distinction I'm making. Your arrogance knows no bounds.
Quote:
Duncan was the best player on the team through four different eras. We may as well just call it the Duncan era if your standard hold true. But the team went through huge changes from 2009 to 2011, when Manu became a permanent bench player.
Are you sure it wasn't Green or Splitter?
I'm aware of the changes, but despite them, the offense still revolved around the big 3 until '15.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TD 21
Apologists are like racists; virtually no one thinks they are one. Speaking of which, you're obviously too whitewashed to pick up on coded language, biases and hypocrisy. Sometimes they're unintentional, but either way, that has nothing to do with being sensitive and I won't apologize for not suffering fools.
:lol
Quote:
That's not a loser mentality, that's being a realist. You're just too much of a delusional homer to see and/or admit it.
It's not realistic when you end up being wrong every year. It's exactly a loser mentality. If the Spurs beat Rockets this season, are you gonna change your tune? No. You'll just make a similar thread next year. It's what you do, and that's fine when you don't swing it around like the staff of reason.
Quote:
I'm talking specifically in my proposed trade, genius. They'd add about $4.5M, but once you account for whatever Bertans would receive, that number could be 0. Whatever Anderson, Green, Parker, Forbes receive is independent of that.
If you wanted that to be the highlight of the thread, put it in the OP. In fact, I don't think you've actually delineated what exact trade would entail. The best I've gotten is that it's a three-team deal with Bertans (S&T) and Mills to Brooklyn, Gay, Murray, to Charlotte, and Walker and Marvin Williams to SA. And this is after like 10 exchanges. You want to treat it like a nebulous idea and a specific scenario at the same time. It causes confusion. I can get behind the general idea of trading for Walker but not like every trade or not think it's worthwhile to discuss extremely specific deals that I don't find realistic. If my specific interpretation of your trade is correct, this is one of those.
Quote:
:lmao The audacity to tell me the distinction I'm making. Your arrogance knows no bounds.
Whining isn't a counter-argument. That was the distinction you were making, whether you didn't understand it was or not. No skin off my nose.
Quote:
Are you sure it wasn't Green or Splitter?
I'm entirely sure that Green wasn't the best player in 1999, yes.
Quote:
I'm aware of the changes, but despite them, the offense still revolved around the big 3 until '15.
I'm glad you didn't forget the changes.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Chinook
It's not realistic when you end up being wrong every year. It's exactly a loser mentality. If the Spurs beat Rockets this season, are you gonna change your tune? No. You'll just make a similar thread next year. It's what you do, and that's fine when you don't swing it around like the staff of reason.
I'm right almost every year. The clear distinction I make that you and people of your ilk conveniently disregard, is I'm not saying Spurs won't win the championship, I'm saying they can't, short of extreme opponent injury luck.
Even last year, I was wrong about them losing to Rockets, but I always said they could win that series, just that they had no chance to win the championship. If they somehow beat them healthy this season, I'll change my tune; but if they don't, will you or will you revert to excuses?
Quote:
If you wanted that to be the highlight of the thread, put it in the OP. In fact, I don't think you've actually delineated what exact trade would entail. The best I've gotten is that it's a three-team deal with Bertans (S&T) and Mills to Brooklyn, Gay, Murray, to Charlotte, and Walker and Marvin Williams to SA. And this is after like 10 exchanges. You want to treat it like a nebulous idea and a specific scenario at the same time. It causes confusion. I can get behind the general idea of trading for Walker but not like every trade or not think it's worthwhile to discuss extremely specific deals that I don't find realistic. If my specific interpretation of your trade is correct, this is one of those.
:lmao What a control freak.
I also have Lin and a Spurs 1st to Hornets.
Quote:
I'm glad you didn't forget the changes.
In other words, you concede.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TD 21
I'm right almost every year.
:lmao
Quote:
Even last year, I was wrong about them losing to Rockets, but I always said they could win that series, just that they had no chance to win the championship. If they somehow beat them healthy this season, I'll change my tune; but if they don't, will you or will you revert to excuses?
Already adding in the caveat of Houston being healthy while ignoring that SA is significantly less healthy right now and may still be out of sync due to the injuries even if everyone is back. I don't think you can claim victory is Paul goes down and SA wins, because Paul getting hurt during the playoffs is a fundamental part of his history at this point.
Quote:
:lmao What a control freak.
Because I'm the one trying to force a very specific version of the future on the conversation then retreating to " :cry it's just my opinion (when you actually mean it's your fantasy)" when the obvious flaws get pointed out...
Quote:
In other words, you concede.
:cry I can't believe you're so arrogant as to tell me when I concede :cry
I don't agree with you. I think the Big Three era only lasted five or six years. After that, they alone were not sufficient to win titles and needed a fundamental change in their identities, roles and supporting casts. I've just already said that and don't feel the need to keep saying it.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Chinook
Already adding in the caveat of Houston being healthy while ignoring that SA is significantly less healthy right now and may still be out of sync due to the injuries even if everyone is back. I don't think you can claim victory is Paul goes down and SA wins, because Paul getting hurt during the playoffs is a fundamental part of his history at this point.
Always. It should without saying but somehow doesn't to people of your ilk. Oh, I can and will claim victory if Paul goes down. Injury prone or not, it can never be said with certainty and matters all the same.
Quote:
Because I'm the one trying to force a very specific version of the future on the conversation then retreating to " :cry it's just my opinion (when you actually mean it's your fantasy)" when the obvious flaws get pointed out...
Call it what you like, but don't conflate it with my saying it's going to happen or pretend there's obvious flaws to it.
Quote:
:cry I can't believe you're so arrogant as to tell me when I concede :cry
I don't agree with you. I think the Big Three era only lasted five or six years. After that, they alone were not sufficient to win titles and needed a fundamental change in their identities, roles and supporting casts. I've just already said that and don't feel the need to keep saying it.
It was obvious, just as it is you're the type who could never admit otherwise.
They alone were never sufficient to win titles because 3 players never are. They were still good enough to be arguably the 3 best players on arguably the best team in the league though.
:lmao at you using :cry, when that's all you do. Damn near every post I've even seen from you, when you cut through the arrogance, length, convolution, semantics, overly serious, I'm smarter than you bullshit, boils down to that.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TD 21
Always. It should without saying but somehow doesn't to people of your ilk. Oh, I can and will claim victory if Paul goes down. Injury prone or not, it can never be said with certainty and matters all the same.
I mean sure, you can claim it if you want. We've already established you just want to spew your fantasies around without having to defend them while also somehow claiming you're the realist.
Quote:
Call it what you like, but don't conflate it with my saying it's going to happen or pretend there's obvious flaws to it.
There are obvious flaws to it. You just hand-wave them away but saying none of them hypothetically matter.
Quote:
:lmao at you using :cry, when that's all you do. Damn near every post I've even seen from you, when you cut through the arrogance, length, convolution, semantics, overly serious, I'm smarter than you bullshit, boils down to that.
I'm sure. I'm totally the guy trying to race-bait (and intrarace-bait of all things), constantly assuming people have a problem with me personally and who has to label everyone else "apologists" if they don't support my fantasies. You carry around so much butt-hurt that you literally complained about me not replying to you enough. You're not a bad poster, but you can't go more than one or two volleys without spiraling out of control. People are going to disagree with you without thinking less of you as a person, but you seem unable to grasp that and look for ad homenim reasons why someone wouldn't like your take instead of reexamining the substance of your arguments.
Re: Takeaways from this season
i am willing to testify under oath that TD 21 has always had a loser mentality... always predicting doom and gloom, year in and year out. its why i call him RJ 24, much more worthy title
lets look back at some classics from a season where we won the fucking ship
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226844
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227371
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225672
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231874
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
spurraider21
popologist21
Re: Takeaways from this season
For all the bashing on TD 21, he's smart and not a troll, which a lot of posters here are... most are trolling and a few others well, I don't want to insult anyone... there are some mental cases that pass through.
One of those links, I checked and it was interesting to see him discussing the benching of Green in 2014 in favor of Belinellis offense against Dallas in 2014. It feels like now Pop is doing something similar but the Mills route. It's funny to look at things from years past and find out that Pop has pretty much stayed the same. He's not decaying or senile or anything. He's doing things how he's always done them. Only he doesn't have Timmy D and Tony and Manu are in the twilight or very dark twilight depending on which game from them you happened to be watching and his legit superstar is injured... so now things come to the forefront that have always been there. I am sure some oldies know this better than I do, but perhaps don't post often.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Chinook
I mean sure, you can claim it if you want. We've already established you just want to spew your fantasies around without having to defend them while also somehow claiming you're the realist.
There are obvious flaws to it. You just hand-wave them away but saying none of them hypothetically matter.
I'm sure. I'm totally the guy trying to race-bait (and intrarace-bait of all things), constantly assuming people have a problem with me personally and who has to label everyone else "apologists" if they don't support my fantasies. You carry around so much butt-hurt that you literally complained about me not replying to you enough. You're not a bad poster, but you can't go more than one or two volleys without spiraling out of control. People are going to disagree with you without thinking less of you as a person, but you seem unable to grasp that and look for ad homenim reasons why someone wouldn't like your take instead of reexamining the substance of your arguments.
All misconstrued. For whatever reason(s), we're unable to communicate our thoughts to one another. It's pointless to continue to devolve and bang out heads against the proverbial wall.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SAGirl
For all the bashing on TD 21, he's smart and not a troll, which a lot of posters here are... most are trolling and a few others well, I don't want to insult anyone... there are some mental cases that pass through.
Good on ya for being unbiased and :lmao at the second part.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SAGirl
For all the bashing on TD 21, he's smart and not a troll, which a lot of posters here are... most are trolling and a few others well, I don't want to insult anyone... there are some mental cases that pass through.
One of those links, I checked and it was interesting to see him discussing the benching of Green in 2014 in favor of Belinellis offense against Dallas in 2014. It feels like now Pop is doing something similar but the Mills route. It's funny to look at things from years past and find out that Pop has pretty much stayed the same. He's not decaying or senile or anything. He's doing things how he's always done them. Only he doesn't have Timmy D and Tony and Manu are in the twilight or very dark twilight depending on which game from them you happened to be watching and his legit superstar is injured... so now things come to the forefront that have always been there. I am sure some oldies know this better than I do, but perhaps don't post often.
Td21 alt
Re: Takeaways from this season
Takeaways form this season: the Spurs are better when Parker starts.
Re: Takeaways from this season
murray is leading the league in defensive rating though, so there's clearly something there.
Re: Takeaways from this season
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Raven
murray is leading the league in defensive rating though, so there's clearly something there.
Hahahahaahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahaha hahahagahahgagahahahahahahahagahgahahahahahhahahah ahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahah ahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah ahahahahahhahahahahhahahaha
Hahahahha
