I would trade Gasol, Patty Mills, and Dejounte for Lebron, Curry and Durant. Not necessarily in that order.
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I would trade Gasol, Patty Mills, and Dejounte for Lebron, Curry and Durant. Not necessarily in that order.
Resign/ Extend-Kawhi, Gay, Bertans, Anderson, Parker
Let walk/ waive- Forbes, Joff, BP3 (let him try and earn his spot next preseason), Green (can't afford to pay both Mills and Green along with Kawhi and LaMarcus long term)
Draft- draft a big.
Free Agency Get a competent bench big.
PG- Murray-Parker-White
SG-Mills-Manu-White-Paul?
SF-Kawhi-Anderson
PF-Aldridge-Gay-Bertans
C-Gasol-Backup Big- Draft pick
I agree you can't afford both Mills and Green, but why not trade Mills and keep Green - even if you have to spend assets to do it, it's probably worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd021
For reference of SA’s off season possilbities and the path to any real cap space:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...2eaa2234631657
If all of the following happens, SA would still be 2M above the salary cap:
1. Danny Green declined his 2018-19 player option worth $ 10,000,000
2. Rudy Gay declined his 2018-19 player option worth $ 8,826,300
3. Renounced $ 15,000,000 2018-19 cap hold for Danny Green
4. Renounced $ 10,087,200 2018-19 cap hold for Rudy Gay
5. Re-signed Tony Parker to 1yrs/$ 1,499,699 contract starting in 2018-19 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
6.Waived Brandon Paul in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
7.Renounced $ 1,471,382 2018-19 cap hold for David Lee
8. Renounced $ 1,714,547 2018-19 cap hold for Bryn Forbes
9. Renounced $ 1,714,547 2018-19 cap hold for Davis Bertans
10. Renounced $ 1,351,118 2018-19 cap hold for Darrun Hilliard
11. Renounced $ 1,351,118 2018-19 cap hold for Matt Costello
So, if Danny/Rudy both pick up options the path to cap space becomes really difficult. If they both decline options and SA is ok with renouncing TPs cap hold (to sign him at vet min or something later), then getting cap space becomes about being able to move Pau/Mills or both.
If SA moves both of Pau/Mills with no money back and all of the above happens (but especially the TP/Rudy/Danny parts), SA could have about 28M in cap space.
Let me know if anyone has any scenarios they would like me to toy with.
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Originally Posted by DAF86
1) What does a S&T for Lebron look like, based around LMA or Pau/Patty?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
2) How many realistic teams are there that could offer more than the MLE to an FA? I think the number is 6 or so, which implies some good players will be available for the MLE.
Thanks for going through all that trouble DPG, much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Play Boban
Hezonja is all but guaranteed to end up on a young team, with significant cap space. Bulls, Mavericks (since they prefer playing Barnes at power forward), Kings, who were rumored today, are all examples of such teams and they all have a gaping hole at small forward.
I've been beating this drum for a few months, but a 3 team Walker trade, where Nets receive Mills, Bertans, Hornets receive Lin, Gay, Murray, 1st and Spurs receive Walker, Williams. Then offer Leonard the super max and re-sign all free agents.
1. I believe if Bron opts out and becomes an UFA, his max is around 35M for a sign-and-trade (I believe). So it it would have to be something Spurs would need to approximate that salary. LMA & Mills would be close (might have to add in a small filler). But you get the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
2. That is a tough question, because with so many player/team options alongside trades, what it looks like today could look very different come free agency. If we just go off a 101M salary cap next year and assume there are no trades and all options are picked up (very unlikely) there are 6 teams: ATL, CHI, IND, SAC, PHX & DAL (but the last 3 only have cap space that is less than the MLE so they would in fact use the MLE in this scenario).
But it’s a tough question tbh..
Trade kl pau mills. Tell manu and tp to retire
As a point of clarification, the team would actually have like $10 Million in that scenario. The program adds in the MLE and LLE if doing so keeps cap space. In this particular situation, it would behoove the team to go under the cap and use the room exception. Would give them a couple million in flexibility. Stashing their pick and keeping Milutinov stashed would also give more space.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...af2de031747542
And of course, getting rid of Kyle's hold (or more likely, swapping it out for Bertans') would get them up more. I wouldn't commit to losing Green, Gay or Anderson just to keep Mills in the fold, but if they were obsessed with keeping him and Pau while also using cap space, they'd have like $18 Million or so to do it.
Second point of clarification (that I would have just put in the other one had I seen this before. The team doesn't have to get nearly that close to S&T for James. They'd actually have to get to like $28 Million for it to work. Gasol and Mills would actually be enough. For everyone's sake, it would be better if James opted in and was traded directly THIS offseason for Mills, Gasol and picks in addition to Paul if he works or White if Paul doesn't. I'm not sure how many picks it would take to complete such a deal, but that would be the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Got ya - thanks for the clarification! Didn’t notice that. Thought it looked odd, but couldn’t see anything that jumped out.
Not if it means giving up a first rounder in the off-season (especially considering ours may be in the early 20's this year)Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
Do you have trade idea involving Mill's because it is common for people to want him gone but only say to trade him, I am not sure it can be easily done either
imho the moves for next year will be conditioned by two factors:
1) the fact that the money available for free agents is gonna be limited;
2) the fact that probably, after a long time, we'll gonna draft in the lottery.
I would not be surprised if all of our free agents, except the minimum ones ( a la Jo.lo) opt in (expecially in case of player options with no bird rights a la Gay) or out just after a mutual agreement with the team to re-sign using bird rights (a la Green).
At that point the best way will be to re-sign all our restricted young free agents of interest (I see them as Kyle and Bertans) or old ones (Parker at vet min.).
Having a lottery draft choice gives us the chance to :
a) select the best player available and decide to let him try to become a consistent part of the rotation or
b) trade the pick along with one or two veterans (Gasol, Mills) for a real third weapon.
Option one is the most probable, since I don't see many teams renouncing a good enough player that could interest us at the point of renouncing a lottery pick. But who knows? it all depends if the F.O. will be convinced they'll find someone of real interest...(its a deep draft)...or if some teams gets annoyed with one of their supposed stars...(one example could be Wiggins in Minny).
Then could happen some decisions about other players we follow or control...our d-leaguers (I heard ljc is playing well, as Hanlan, Hilliard, Blossomgame etc) or picks (Milutinov, Dangubic). But, frankly, I don't see any of them as part of the team next season except for the two way player chance (16th and 17th spot on the roster).
The point is that a lot of our plans for next season, imho, will be related to the draft...and I'm not sold at the idea that we are gonna draft a big, like most of us are suggesting ( and with a sense, considering next draft will be deep in bigs).
So, for having a real picture, we'll need, imho, to see before when and who we draft...
I like what I've seen of Zhaire. Looks like the type who would get into the late lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Others have said it all but I'll put my vote in alongside:
Noel
maybe Hezonja
1. If they're above the cap, MLE for Noel. Noel's a longshot and a headcase lottery ticket, but he's better than Joffrey and should be a vertical threat.
2. Supermax for Kawhi but a 5th year unguaranteed that becomes fully guaranteed if he hits a a games-played trigger of 200 or 220 in years 1-4.
3. The other details don't really matter. Green yes, Green no, Gay in, Gay out, Parker in, Parker out, whatever.
If no Noel, then spend the money on Milutinov. Not full MLE, but there's just not a lot of bigs out there.
I have grown to really like Murray and have faith in his future development, but if Charlotte will take Mills with Murray for Kemba, I'd be fine with that.
The draft pick this summer will be the most important since the Kawhi draft. They can't afford to screw up the pick, and they can't afford Pop screwing the pick over with his garbage over fairness and rookies.
Ultimately, the team, the franchise, may have committed suicide with the past summer. That's the summer of anguish. The indefensible Mills deal with it's abominable 4 years, and the confusing Pau deal with it's extra bloat for a player routinely relegated to the bench, was just so stupid that I don't think it's survivable barring an unexpected miracle in the draft.
maybe I'm wrong, but the decision of Gay if opting in or not matters bacause if he opt in we have no more mle avaialble (he's been signed with the mle and that would be his second mle year).
Frankly, for the little I've seen, looks like a healthy gay could be one of the best mle options...expecially in his actual role of a stretch four/five.
Unless I've really misunderstood how the MLE works, a team gets a MLE every year, provided they are within certain salary cap parameters - it doesn't matter if they used it last year, provided they meet the parameters...Quote:
Originally Posted by venitian navigator
Dumping Mills/Pau would likely require at least trading a 1st round pick or someone young with potential. So they should only go that route if they are going to sign a big FA.
Obviously Kawhi's status is the key, on how they should proceed. If he re-signs then I think the Spurs should look into acquiring someone that can be a 2nd or 3rd option via trade if FA isn't likely. Also I liked the idea of Rudy Gay and hope they go the route of more reclamation projects with guys coming off injury or maybe haven't fulfilled their potential (haven't really looked at the FA class). The team needs to sell their ability to develop.
If we end up going the reclamation route, I want to go with young guys who didnt reach their potential elsewhere and see if we can add value to them here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasuo214
At the end of lottery I like Tony Brown Jr so far. I'm trying to find the next Kawhi PG3 type.
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Originally Posted by venitian navigator
Pad's on point here. They'll have the MLE available independently of what Gay does. He opts in, they have him and a new MLE. He opts out, they have his non-Bird rights and a new MLE. They also have two early Bird exceptions for Forbes and Bertans that would allow them to give those guys MLE-level deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
Good summary. What you describe here is basically what I expect pretty much. I imagine they will want a meeting with Lebron and perhaps will try to go after a difference maker but if they miss, doing what they can to retain their young players is the route they will likely go. I expected some of their RFA to leave, but I am not sure about that. The market for them will be tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by venitian navigator
In order to make any real changes they have to trade some guys out and that will cost picks, a prospect like Murray or White. It's the kind of move you only make for a significant contributor. It has to be a star.