Realistic offseason moves you would make

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Originally Posted by SAGirl

Good summary. What you describe here is basically what I expect pretty much. I imagine they will want a meeting with Lebron and perhaps will try to go after a difference maker but if they miss, doing what they can to retain their young players is the route they will likely go. I expected some of their RFA to leave, but I am not sure about that. The market for them will be tough.

In order to make any real changes they have to trade some guys out and that will cost picks, a prospect like Murray or White. It's the kind of move you only make for a significant contributor. It has to be a star.

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Not sure I agree with this conclusions. IMO, there are going to be impact players available for the MLE this summer, due to the minimal cap-space available. For example, next year could look like:

LMA, Gasol, Milutinov, ?Joff?
Anderson, Gay, ?Bertans?
Kawhi, Tyreke Evans
Green, Manu,
Murray, Parker, Mills, White

+ Draft Pick

( although I would like to dump Mills from that )

Can we trade for Cedi Osman? I feel like he'd be a good Spur under Pop's tutelage.

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Originally Posted by pad300

Not sure I agree with this conclusions. IMO, there are going to be impact players available for the MLE this summer, due to the minimal cap-space available. For example, next year could look like:

LMA, Gasol, Milutinov, ?Joff?
Anderson, Gay, ?Bertans?
Kawhi, Tyreke Evans
Green, Manu,
Murray, Parker, Mills, White

+ Draft Pick

( although I would like to dump Mills from that )

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Good point. I guess I wasn't clear that using picks/prospects to dump contracts is only worth it for a star but you make a good point that may not be necessary.

- Blossomgame and White
- Mario Hezonja
- Tyreke Evans
- Jonathon Simmons
- Nerlens Noel
- Wilson Chandler

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Originally Posted by pad300

Not sure I agree with this conclusions. IMO, there are going to be impact players available for the MLE this summer, due to the minimal cap-space available. For example, next year could look like:

LMA, Gasol, Milutinov, ?Joff?
Anderson, Gay, ?Bertans?
Kawhi, Tyreke Evans
Green, Manu,
Murray, Parker, Mills, White

+ Draft Pick

( although I would like to dump Mills from that )

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I don't think a team would take on Mills' $38 million remaining for the 20th pick and I don't think the Spurs should chase a bad decision with another one by not using it to bring in a young, cheap talent.

I would let Green walk, mostly because the Spurs can't afford to pay Kawhi the super max, LMA, Mills, and him along with Murray's new contract in 2019. Commit resign Bertans, Gay, Anderson, Parker and a competent bench big. Also would hope PATFO convinces Pau to permanently be the backup 5 behind LMA which would open up Bertans to start at the 4.

LMA-Gasol-FA Big-1st rounder
Bertans-Gay
Kawhi-Anderson
Mills-Manu-Paul?
Murray-Parker-White

think Milutinov will likely come over after next season (He's on the first year of a 3 year year deal, presumably with NBA-outs after every season), IIRC he'll be 24-25 during his first NBA and hopefully ready to contribute so that pick wouldn't go down as a complete disaster. Spurs should take another big, mainly because their are some intriguing ones in the 20-30 range and Gasol will almost certainly be gone after next season and LMA will be 34.

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Originally Posted by keithington1

At the end of lottery I like Tony Brown Jr so far. I'm trying to find the next Kawhi PG3 type.

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Exactly. That’s who I say they target as well. Paul Pierce type game. That would make 4 consecutive PAC 12 draft picks. Fills a need as well if Green or Anderson aren’t brought back. If Mills isn’t moved to Philadelphia to bring back Green if he opts out that’s disgusting.

It would be nice if we could FINALLY draft somebody that can protect the basket. I'm hoping we can get somebody like Mitchell Robinson.

Daniel Gafford is another one I like where Spurs are picking. DeAndre Hunter, Mitchell Robinson being the two others.

Jacob Evans will be a steal for whoever drafts him in the 2nd round.

Fire RC Buford!!

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Originally Posted by cd021

I would let Green walk, mostly because the Spurs can't afford to pay Kawhi the super max, LMA, Mills, and him along with Murray's new contract in 2019. Commit resign Bertans, Gay, Anderson, Parker and a competent bench big.

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They've already committed to the majority of this core through at least next season and probably will with the remainder of it this off season. Letting Green, the third most important member of it, go, would make no sense, especially considering they'd only have the MLE with which to find a viable replacement. Even lesser versions, like Bradley and Caldwell-Pope, more than likely aren't going to be attainable for that.

They can probably bring this team back and duck the tax, so Green can absolutely be afforded. If worse comes to worst and it costs them a non rotation player, such as Bertans or Forbes, so be it. They have to prioritize him over them.

Full on tank in hopes of getting Mikal Bridges in the draft.

Uh, letting green go is hardly a choice! They can't afford him! Patty Mills was the choice. They fucked up huge. It happened

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Originally Posted by TD 21

They've already committed to the majority of this core through at least next season and probably will with the remainder of it this off season. Letting Green, the third most important member of it, go, would make no sense, especially considering they'd only have the MLE with which to find a viable replacement. Even lesser versions, like Bradley and Caldwell-Pope, more than likely aren't going to be attainable for that.

They can probably bring this team back and duck the tax, so Green can absolutely be afforded. If worse comes to worst and it costs them a non rotation player, such as Bertans or Forbes, so be it. They have to prioritize him over them.

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Not talking about this off season as much as next off season. They could probably duck the tax this season and bring back everyone except for Forbes but In the 2019 off season they could be paying Kawhi, LMA, Mills and Green $83 million with Murray and his agent (Rich Paul, who is notorious for aggressively pursuing max deals for his players but often landing short of that but getting more than otherwise), Anderson, Gay, Parker, and Bertans possibly pushing the Spurs well past the estimated $131 million luxury tax.

Even without Bertans that number is likely going to be several million over the luxury tax then but with significantly less shooting projected on roster than even this season, plus are the Spurs ever actually going to bring over Militinov?

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Originally Posted by cd021

Not talking about this off season as much as next off season. They could probably duck the tax this season and bring back everyone except for Forbes but In the 2019 off season they could be paying Kawhi, LMA, Mills and Green $83 million with Murray and his agent (Rich Paul, who is notorious for aggressively pursuing max deals for his players but often landing short of that but getting more than otherwise), Anderson, Gay, Parker, and Bertans possibly pushing the Spurs well past the estimated $131 million luxury tax.

Even without Bertans that number is likely going to be several million over the luxury tax then but with significantly less shooting projected on roster than even this season, plus are the Spurs ever actually going to bring over Militinov?

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All I'll say is, teams plan ahead years in advance. They knew that, barring a significant injury, Green would opt out. I've got to believe that, when they made the decision last off season that they were moving forward with this core, they had the third most important member of it in their plans.

I hated the Mills signing but giving a 4yr deal to an aging-like-milk player like Green is career suicide. He'll be 31 years old, he's a 3pt specialist with a slightly above league average 3p%, contains all the top players about as well as a revolving door....

You cannot be paying Gasol, Mills, and Green almost half of your cap and expect to contend.

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Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht

You cannot be paying Gasol, Mills, and Green almost half of your cap and expect to contend.

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Sickening thought

I wouldn't go to 4 (fully guaranteed) years with Green, but short of Murray pulling something close to a Leonard relatively soon or them finding a Mitchell type with their 1st, they're not contending either way with this team. If they want to be their best version of it though, they'll need Green. If not, retaining Gasol and Mills will have made even less sense.

i'd shut down ST and start all over again.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

All I'll say is, teams plan ahead years in advance. They knew that, barring a significant injury, Green would opt out. I've got to believe that, when they made the decision last off season that they were moving forward with this core, they had the third most important member of it in their plans.

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Sure, but the writing on the wall seems to be that Green is looking to paid after firing his agent and getting another before hitting FA. He probably is expecting around a 4 year, $50 million, I like Green as much as the next fan but paying him that money-which probably a fair value, seems almost crazy to me this team could essentially look much the same roster wise but could get extremely expensive , with aging parts that aren't easily replaceable when they drop off or retire.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Sure, but the writing on the wall seems to be that Green is looking to paid after firing his agent and getting another before hitting FA. He probably is expecting around a 4 year, $50 million, I like Green as much as the next fan but paying him that money-which probably a fair value, seems almost crazy to me this team could essentially look much the same roster wise but could get extremely expensive , with aging parts that aren't easily replaceable when they drop off or retire.

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Fair enough, but like I said, they probably have no path to finding a suitable replacement. It's either pay Green (difficult to predict in this market, but I'm skeptical he'll receive 4/$50m) or still have little flexibility, but have Mills, Forbes and White at shooting guard.

If they were prepping for Green's departure in a year, they should have picked Hart instead of White.

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Originally Posted by gambit1990

don’t resign tony or forbes.

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Pop is of no use as a coach as long as Trump is president.

Make White the starting PG.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Make White the starting PG.

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Definitely. Seems reasonable to surround Kawhi(if he returns) with someone who can shoot. Regardless I want a young player with some potential. He's not that young but his skill base is solid. Murray's skills just seem too raw to ever really develop into a pg to my liking.