Second best doesn't mean he didn't have horrible games... He had a game with zero stats... He played very badly a couple times... But let's not let facts get in the way of the narrativeQuote:
Originally Posted by $pursDynasty
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Second best doesn't mean he didn't have horrible games... He had a game with zero stats... He played very badly a couple times... But let's not let facts get in the way of the narrativeQuote:
Originally Posted by $pursDynasty
He literally said the opposite... LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
How does he not have good handles? U make it sound like he is Danny Green... Just because one person said it doesn't mean it's true... U can't look at high turnover rate as a young player as proof of not having good handle... All young point guards have a high turnover rate... Even the elites like lebron when he came in the league... The guy can dribble, but his decision making isn't great yet... U guys were silent when Tony was sucking and Murray was playing great, but as soon as he has a subpar game u come out the woodwork... Go that way>>>>>Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
U quoted two words... U Intentionally left out the rest...great work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keepin' it real
Dunkan2k5 with the epic meltdown. Sa girl alt.
His turnovers are him getting picked off the dribble. I wish he were a stud, but he's one of the worst, if not the worst, starting PGs. Parker is on the decline, but I wouldn't say he's worse than Murray and he runs the offense better. I could see Parker get more minutes as the Spurs struggle in the playoff race. And Parker had way more positive games in the playoffs last year than duds. He was our 2nd best player until he went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Show me where this season his turnovers were getting picked off the dribble... His turnovers are from bad decisions... Sometimes he may get stripped driving into heavy traffic, but that's decision making... Not a lack of handling...Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Parker runs the offense better because he is a hall of fame point guard almost 20 year in with the same team and same coach... That's not a knock on Murray...
The point of the game is to win... We won't win this year at all... So starting Parker to MAYBE do SLIGHTLY better in the playoffs this year is less important as developing Murray who may make u win quicker in the future, or increase trade value... Parker starting now has zero upside...
Parker being the second best player last year (a far second) was more about Aldridge being trash... And let's not forget how badly he played on defense... And how poorly he played during last years season to the point where ppl wanted patty starting... His body couldn't even handle playing above his average for more than a couple games before he broke down... Tony is done... We need to move on from these old guys
bball dumb or life dumb ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Yeah, the other day, but before that was about having fun, he is a dumb kid who is banging a nice looking gold digger so he is only into that, look at his twitter account, and people is telling him to actually play ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
By the way, how much is he helping Spurs to win since his new ¨Mamba¨ mentality?
Lots of dumb turnovers, I watch the games and he is losing the ball very often or making others lose the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
But Lebron was an offensive menace, he compensated his bad handles with killer scoring, 3 pointers, speed, passing, rebounds.
Wrong, I invented the ¨Porker¨ thing here, I was really hoping Murray to be awesome, since Spurs lost to GSW last season I was really excited to see what Murray could do the next season, and after watching his photos with Kawhi training in the offseason one could only expect the best.
But no more 30 points this season, lots of scrubbing and disappointments.
The fact that Porker is doing better just shows how much of a letdown DJ is.
Sorry, I don't have the games recorded so that I can show you where he is getting picked off, but it's a common complaint here. We've all seen it. I'm surprised you haven't. I don't think Parker is the answer because I don't think he's 100% back and I think he is quickly declining. But he may be the best option if winning is the goal. Obviously Pop agrees given how Parker has started getting the money minutes in the 4th. At best, it's a play Parker when they need offense and play Murray for D (only b/c Parker can't guard anyone). That said, I don't know that Murray is the future. The Spurs drafted Kyle Anderson around the same spot. Does that mean he's replacing Kawhi? I mean he can spell minutes, but Anderson and Murray are minor pieces, not superstars. I'm not sure Murray will be the starting PG last year. He's getting his shot, but he's not locking down the position.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
bro...we wont win with parker starting...u act as if we have a team capable of winning right now...we dont...so jumpstart murray's developent...we did it with tony and it panned out...Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
murray is far from the reason we arent winning...he is just the scapegoat because of who he is...most games he isnt the worst player we have...even the last game aldridge played worse, but he gets a pass...tony parker has played some really bad games this season, but no one complained about him those games...but as soon as murray gets one turnover, or misses one jumper, ppl are ready to pull the plug...we have had tony for so long, u guys forget how young point guards playQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Parker had a terrible injury and he is almost 36 years old, did everything he could in the past now if he helps good but that was the golden opportunity for Murray and he didnt deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Spurs have never drafted a good scoring PG since Parker, the closest thing was Nando De Colo and he blew his chances, Corey Joseph, Hill, Patty, Forbes and lots of other guys never had what it takes to be an offensive menace.
We have a team capable of making the playoffs and Pop isn't coaching to be in the lottery (although sometimes it seems that way). If Kawhi comes back and can get to 75% and gel with LMA, the Spurs could advance a round and be a tough out in the 2nd round. Murray won't get benched. But Parker is probably better in the money minutes. As long as the Spurs are playoff bound, I see Pop leaning on Parker. Next year? I wouldn't bet all my money that Spurs have decided he's the future. He needs a big jump in the offseason with his jump shot and some meat on his bones.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Spurs should give DWhite a legit shot to compete with Dijon to see if he can deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
I'm hot and cold on DJ as well. Dude needs a shot to really make it in today's NBA. He knows it. The Spurs know it. The entire NBA knows it. Let's see what he does about it.
People here really overlook all the defensive intangibles he brings to the starting lineup.
There's a big reason why he's improved recently to 19th in RPM out of all the PGs in the NBA. He's been more than solid since the AS break outside of the Grizzlies game.
Spurs are a middle tier -15th-18th defense when DeJounte is off the floor. They are 1st in defense when he's on the floor. But you guys want to just point at his inconsistent jumper as the reason to say he's not ready.
I think we all realize his contributions right now are on the defensive side. But lately we’ve needed late game scoring and Parker is just better at running the offense. Not that Parker is a superstar, he’s just got experience and other teams respect his scoring ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I view it like this: Offense now accounts for more than 50% of the game, especially as a starting PG (unless you have 2 dynamic wings and can get away with a 3 and D type), since their defensive impact is relatively minimal. Next to IQ, I consider range shooting, specifically of the pull up variety, the next most important skill. Him having no semblance of it outweighs everything else (not necessarily in relation to Parker and Mills, but in a big picture sort of way) and it'll only become more glaring when Leonard returns and he has to play off ball more frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Initially its weird to me that anyone could look at Murray and think he's not doing great for his age. Then I realize this is Spurstalk. Murray is going to be a great PG for a long time in this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
And at the same time, Murray has advantages on offense -- in transition pushing the pace..finding open 3s, optimizing 2nd chance opportunities which he provides on the offensive glass. Not to mention his improvement in the PnR in the past 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Parker has actually been just as, if not more inconsistent as Murray is in the PnR the past few months. The Grizzlied game just clouds that reality.
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I agree with you assessment with his defensive intangibles..he’s already the best rebounding Spur guard in history..he’s getting better attacking and finishing and love how he pushes the pace...
Adding a jumper when they go under the screen will take him to the “superstar potential”.. it will come in time but it’s the only thing holding him back from taking him to next level shit
Elite offense, I agree. Inconsistent O that TP or Mills provides is no where near as valuable as what DeJounte provides in other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Spurs O rating decreases only 1 point when Murray is on the floor vs when he's off.
The amount that Murray has improved on offense over the course of the season is rather extraordinary. He was reluctant to put up any shots at all early in the year and now he's got a fairly decent touch shot/floater in close. His complete lack of a jumper is a problem, but that was a huge problem for early Parker too. If and when Murray develops a decent jumper then he's going to be a really good guard.
The league is chock full of good offensive guards though. It isn't full of good defenders at the 1, so I'm happy to have one on this team.