Wait... Of all the players last night... Ur blaming Murray for the loss? Lol... Ok broQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
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Wait... Of all the players last night... Ur blaming Murray for the loss? Lol... Ok broQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
That's what these idiots don't get... Murray was one of the better players last night... We would have been destroyed otherwise... Patty played much worse, but Murray is the scapegoat... Go figureQuote:
Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili
We are so used to Tony, we forget his growing pains... Parker couldn't even close games when he was the same age... Dude had to be benched for speedy Claxton in crunch time... How quickly we forget...
Parker was one of the main reasons for Spurs' '02/'03 success, while Speedy rode the bench injured for half of the season, then barely played when he was healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Tony was playing so well in the Finals in the early games, that some commentators said he was a candidate Finals MVP.
Speedy did come in 4th qtr in the Finals, game 6?, hit a couple jumpers, then essentially disappeared from the NBA.
It's a myth that Speedy closed lots of games while Tony sat.
[QUOTE=duncan2k5;9311313].. We would have been destroyed otherwise../QUOTE]
You have no idea what would have happened if murray got a dnp. Fact is he lost the game for sa with his play at the end. Not smart. Not a pg. Just an overhyped nba player. Sad the media makes you think these bums are skilled
I thought overall he had a good game. Those offensive rebounds late killed us.
Spurs played a good game against a team with three all stars. They lost in the end bc they don’t have a closer. Instead, the ball is in the hands of people that can’t close. Once LMA was doubled, it was easy to see everyone else didn’t know how to make a play in crunch time against a good defense playing at home.
I understand that Pop is trying to keep him in as a teaching moment but every loss keeps us from making the playoffs, enough! This is the time where you put in the vets to close the game out, Parker, Gay and Manu! :bang GSW are not as good as they think they are when they barely beat a injury-riddled team with all of their stars except for Curry smh!
Ur guy's logic is disappointing... Keep Tony as the closer till he retires? How well do u think that will work out? How will the new pg ever learn? Tp got the luxury of playing through his growing pains as a young PG... The backsweep choke VS Lakers in 04, the bad stints in the 4th VS the nets until he had to be bailed out by speedy... And in all these he was older and much more experienced than Murray... He wasn't even one of our most important players VS the pistons in 05...he took time... So to pile on Murray for being left in during the fourth so he can learn to close in pressure moments is hypocritical... And let's not pretend prime Parker never played during some epic choke jobs... It happens... Especially when you're 21...besides he played good! Dude was one of the best players on the team this game, yet ppl look only at him as the scapegoat...Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Not sure the Parker one is a fair comparison. For one, Parker had a lot of league competition in Europe before he got here, even at 19. And secondly, Parker when here had Prime TD, Robinson etc. We have a crybaby who fakes a limp because he wants to go to Disneyland
I'm not taking up for Parker in my post, though any suggestion that Parker was not one of the most important player in 05 is ignorant. Maybe he didn't average 30 points in that low scoring series, but he played well against a great defensive team and did what Pop wanted. Let me guess, you wanted Beno so he could develop experience? Even when he couldn't dribble the ball past Lindsey Hunter? And you need to re-watch 03 from the first round to the playoffs. To say Parker was less than essential in that run stretches credibility. Kidd couldn't guard Parker, Nets had to take him off Parker and use Kerry Kittles, who had success. If Kidd, the runner up to MVP that year, had stayed on Parker, Parker would have dominated that entire series.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Spurs went with Murrey to protect the lead with a defensive unit and it failed. But I'm not putting the loss on Murrey. We only have one legit closer on this team and he's only played 9 games. Asking any other Spur (except maybe LMA...but he's going to be double teamed) to close consistently is unfair because they don't have it. It's not in the DNA of anyone else on the roster except Manu and Parker, but they lost closer status 2-3 years ago or more. That's why this team is a fringe playoff team.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Spurs have to continue to develop him. The team isn’t going to pick up a star PG in FA and while they have tried to trade for one (Kyrie) they didn’t have the pieces to make it work. Developing is the only way to go.
Murray is the only player who even could evolve into a star. His lack of skill obscures his development , he was very raw at 19. All our other young players are not young, even white is a question Mark.
Someone tell Murray to watch film of his flaws not his highlights.
What's the Paddy excuse? How many times does a player have to be atrocious at everything to still get the opportunity to close out games?Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
Not to mention, how he shot the Spurs out of the playoffs in 2012, 2015, 2016 vs LAC & OKC two times.Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
People forget about that.
BillMc,Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
It did. And while I'm not wanting to sound like a Murray apologist, when a point guard picks up his dribble and is in obvious trouble, it's like a QB in football who is in trouble. Time for receivers to break off their routes and bail him out any way they can. Green slowly jogs by to get in position for a pass. But he reacts way too slowly and does not go right by DJ, closely so DJ can give him the handoff/short pass. Additionally with Patty on the floor the defenses are so obviously adjusting it cramps up the offense so badly.
I'm just sayin. Yes, a good part of it is DJs inexperience. However a lot of it is also such a jacked up offense stategy and on most games 2018 Patty is not only not helping but he is a major hindrance.
Fatheads reluctance to shoot and/or even handle the ball is at times also almost creating a 4 on 5 scene on O.
He also very often hot-potatoes the ball over to someone with less then 4 seconds on the shot clock. Someone who is NOT open. Rather Fathead in effect saying "Uh I don't wanna be caught with the ball -here you take it."
Patty has no excuse... Dude is trash... Basura... PoopQuote:
Originally Posted by Hoops Czar
PPl don't care about facts bro... Murray is the scapegoat and that's thatQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
You pulled that out of your ass. Gtfo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Parker, Timmy, and Jackson all did enough to win that series. Unfortunately some balding faggot shat the bed in the closing game with 10 points on 4/12 shooting and a -14. Got completely embarrassed by Harden.
Kyle also picked up his dribble in a game against Utah and it caused a TO, but same as you mention for Dijon, he took a lot of crap about it and no one came to bail him out either. everyone stood around. Patty, who he was looking to come get the ball didn't even move. Mistakes were made by both guys, but the team also wasn't aware of situation to come and help... and they have to know, neither Kyle, nor DJ is Kawhi who is going to dominate successfully. The teammates have to be ready to help out... sometimes they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiTroll
I am fine with letting them struggle through their issues. First of all bc the veterans have struggled about the same. They have still lost games when Pop benched Kyle in the 4th Q or DJ.. so what is the point? These two are young and learning, heck Manu may retire.
What? he took the plane and crashed it to the fucking mountain, what game were you watching?Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan2k5
So he was the worst player last night then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
Haters gonna hate