Pop is beyond finished

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Yeah, another one of these; deal with it.

- Not starting (and barely playing) Gay, when they have no perimeter shot creation and his other top healthy perimeter shot creators are already coming off the bench . . . which means he becomes a bystander when paired with them
- Not playing Ginobili beyond his initial 7 minute stint
- Not going with the steady hand of Parker down the stretch or making many play calls, instead watching his pathetic, jittery perimeter trio fritter the game away
- Inexplicably having Mills defend Thompson even after Curry left, when he could have easily been hid on non entity Cook
- Inexplicably playing Mills the most of any guard again, when he repeatedly proves unplayable vs this team
- Not having Bertans, a tall, quick release shooter in on the last play, instead opting for pint sized Forbes (I know he got a good look, but that doesn't change the rationale)
- Not having Green, his only healthy 3 and D wing, in until the damage had been done or playing him enough in general
- Not doubling Durant in the 4th when it was clear he was going to singlehandedly take the game and they had 2 no brainer candidates to help off of, in Livingston and Green

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I am not a fan of Pop's, and I agree that his game adjustments have been very questionable for some years now. But looking at your lengthy (and accurate) list causes me to lean toward the "tank scenario," along with @. This looks more and more like a tank job. I didn't think Pop had it in him.

Patty Mills is atrocious.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

- Not doubling Durant in the 4th when it was clear he was going to singlehandedly take the game and they had 2 no brainer candidates to help off of, in Livingston and Green

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Don't get this. Esp without Curry there.

Dubs didn't have any issue with double-teamed LMA in some possessions, why we couldn't double KD? This seems just stupid.

It’s rediculous to think Pop is throwing games. We were right there and could have won the game. If Kawhi can get back soon enough and playing at an elite level I like our chances. Also, if the Rockets stay at 1, being in the 4 or 5th is not bad. I much rather play the warriors in conference final than the 2nd round. There is a lot of ifs but this season has been a disaster. Let’s hope the ending makes up for it.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

They didn't have theirs either

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LMAO! They are still a cheat code and still had KD, Draymond, and Klay. GTFOH

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Originally Posted by Dre_7

LMAO! They are still a cheat code and still had KD, Draymond, and Klay. GTFOH

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I know... But u are saying we didn't have Kawhi, as if they were at full strength too... With us both at full strength, we are even... Just like we are even when we both lose our mvps... The difference comes down to coaching... Pop needed to play gay and green in the 4th...Mills belongs nowhere close to a basketball court when the warriors are playing

Could have won this game with Ginobilli and Parker in at the last to work together. Pop knows that. So he has something else in mind other than winning this particular game.

Either it's:
a. Wants to prove out which younger players have ability and BB mental skills in pressure situations. (Answer is that Anderson, Murray and Forbes choked with TOs and missed shots in last 2 minutes)
b. Knows we can't get into top rung of playoff ladder so saving something for playoffs
c. modified tank job. Too good for lottery but maybe mid range in draft will come up with something
d. Trying to see if Green and Mills can still play this game. I didn't see Green do a damn thing in the 4th. At least Mills was running around and taking shots.
d. all of the above.

It’s almost like this team just needs a closer

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Yeah, another one of these; deal with it.

- Not starting (and barely playing) Gay, when they have no perimeter shot creation and his other top healthy perimeter shot creators are already coming off the bench . . . which means he becomes a bystander when paired with them
- Not playing Ginobili beyond his initial 7 minute stint
- Not going with the steady hand of Parker down the stretch or making many play calls, instead watching his pathetic, jittery perimeter trio fritter the game away
- Inexplicably having Mills defend Thompson even after Curry left, when he could have easily been hid on non entity Cook
- Inexplicably playing Mills the most of any guard again, when he repeatedly proves unplayable vs this team
- Not having Bertans, a tall, quick release shooter in on the last play, instead opting for pint sized Forbes (I know he got a good look, but that doesn't change the rationale)
- Not having Green, his only healthy 3 and D wing, in until the damage had been done or playing him enough in general
- Not doubling Durant in the 4th when it was clear he was going to singlehandedly take the game and they had 2 no brainer candidates to help off of, in Livingston and Green

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So does this team have a chance or not? Or is this roster flawed? Which is is guys?? That’s the thing you fucks bitch and moan about how bad this team is...yet you cry wolf when they lose. Spurs weren’t supposed to win with or without Curry @ GSW but it seems y’all feeel extremely disappointed after a tough game.

You even said yourself you want to see a series against GSW if healthy..but why though? Answer that question honestly...Like if this team sucks and we’re a first round exit you shouldn’t creating these pitty threads..unless you deep down think this team has a “chance”.. you won’t get so worked up about it. You’ve made your point already like I dunno fifty eleven times??

Losing last night sucks..seems this team competes with GSW for stretches very regularly healthy or not..but I’m a homer and you’re just a coward.

Sincerely PATFO Fluffer/Cliche Vanilla Fan

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

I know... But u are saying we didn't have Kawhi, as if they were at full strength too... With us both at full strength, we are even... Just like we are even when we both lose our mvps... The difference comes down to coaching... Pop needed to play gay and green in the 4th...Mills belongs nowhere close to a basketball court when the warriors are playing

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See I can respect this type of criticism..if y’all think we’re “even or just as good” by all means criticize Pop or whoever all day. What’s BS is people all year just cry about how bad the players are and how this team isn’t good enough. It’s very frustrating not knowing the true potential of what a healthy squad can do..which dates back to WCF. But 75% of this board already counted them out..like you don’t have to keep repeating the obvious this team won’t win a damn thing without Kawhi.

ST head coaching resumes are impeccable.

The moral victory posts are pathetic, tbh:lol

Warriors were missing their most important player + their 2 best bench players, they were forced to play horrible players like Cook and Looney..they were also losing by double-digits in the 4th..sorry, there's no moral victory there..

Obviously missing a closer is the key, but how do you excuse not doubling or adjusting to Durant after he scores on possession after possession? They don't have any other creators on the floor without Curry:lol they had non-shooters like Green and Livingston on the floor, too..

Kerr began doubling Aldridge on every possession and forcing others to beat them, while Pop just watched the Warriors run the same action every time down, screening off Anderson with no help or adjustments..

Offensively, once it's evident that the Spurs are struggling to create quality looks, why wouldn't Parker or Gay enter the game? This wasn't an anomaly, this was the 3rd blown double-digit 4th quarter lead in the past 8 games, he already knows this closing lineup doesn't work..

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

They didn't have theirs either

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yeah losing steph curry when you still have durant draymond and klay is comparable to losing kawhi when you have murray lma and patty freaking mills... smh

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The moral victory posts are pathetic, tbh:lol

Warriors were missing their most important player + their 2 best bench players, they were forced to play horrible players like Cook and Looney..they were also losing by double-digits in the 4th..sorry, there's no moral victory there..

Obviously missing a closer is the key, but how do you excuse not doubling or adjusting to Durant after he scores on possession after possession? They don't have any other creators on the floor without Curry:lol they had non-shooters like Green and Livingston on the floor, too..

Kerr began doubling Aldridge on every possession and forcing others to beat them, while Pop just watched the Warriors run the same action every time down, screening off Anderson with no help or adjustments..

Offensively, once it's evident that the Spurs are struggling to create quality looks, why wouldn't Parker or Gay enter the game? This wasn't an anomaly, this was the 3rd blown double-digit 4th quarter lead in the past 8 games, he already knows this closing lineup doesn't work..

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brah calling a coach beyond finished because of last 3 mn meltdown on a game we lost by 20 on paper (50 if Curry had to play an entire game) is a bit of exaggeration no ? Besides I hope you don't compare the weight for the Spurs not having Kawhi with dubs losing one of their 4 top 10 players of the league right ?

and this has nothing to do with moral victory.

Spurs played some good bb for most of the game thats pretty encouraging considering this uter shit season

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Originally Posted by cd021

Manu did have 3 bad turnovers in seven minutes but point taken.

Thought Parker was definitely solid last night; Parker-Green-Anderson-Bertans-LMA should've been the closing rotation. High screen pick and pop/roll with LMA with Green, and Bertans spacing would've been a better attack than the final five minute offense the Spurs had.

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For Manu it wasn’t just the 3 TO in 6 minutes... had that continued he was on pace to outdo himself in the nefast game 6 against the Heat. He’s 40 and if he’s having a bad game if that nature it’s fine and actually better if he sits. But no, it wasn’t just the TO, he couldn’t guard anyone either. I know he has some fans with rose tinted glasses but be honest fans, Manu wasn’t going to save that game.

Tony was solid and could have played more and Gay (if he wasn’t on minutes restrictions) should have closed the game too. Not sure what’s going on. Pop also didn’t adjust his defense to Durant sending a double or help.

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

I know... But u are saying we didn't have Kawhi, as if they were at full strength too... With us both at full strength, we are even... Just like we are even when we both lose our mvps... The difference comes down to coaching... Pop needed to play gay and green in the 4th...Mills belongs nowhere close to a basketball court when the warriors are playing

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Surprisingly good take. :tu

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

I know... But u are saying we didn't have Kawhi, as if they were at full strength too... With us both at full strength, we are even... Just like we are even when we both lose our mvps... The difference comes down to coaching... Pop needed to play gay and green in the 4th...Mills belongs nowhere close to a basketball court when the warriors are playing

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Pfft. Thanks Mr Armchair.

:pop:

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

The moral victory posts are pathetic, tbh:lol

Warriors were missing their most important player + their 2 best bench players, they were forced to play horrible players like Cook and Looney..they were also losing by double-digits in the 4th..sorry, there's no moral victory there..

Obviously missing a closer is the key, but how do you excuse not doubling or adjusting to Durant after he scores on possession after possession? They don't have any other creators on the floor without Curry:lol they had non-shooters like Green and Livingston on the floor, too..

Kerr began doubling Aldridge on every possession and forcing others to beat them, while Pop just watched the Warriors run the same action every time down, screening off Anderson with no help or adjustments..

Offensively, once it's evident that the Spurs are struggling to create quality looks, why wouldn't Parker or Gay enter the game? This wasn't an anomaly, this was the 3rd blown double-digit 4th quarter lead in the past 8 games, he already knows this closing lineup doesn't work..

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It’s inexplicable... one thinks stealthy tank job bc it’s better to think that’s what it was than Pop is losing his marbles.

This Spurs team is just borderline unwatchable because you know Mills is always going to get minutes. When 50 hit that early three I thought fuck me, now Pop is going to play him even more minutes than usual. I used to love this guy, he was one of my favorite Spurs players back when he was in shape. But now he doesn't give a shit. Signing him to that deal last summer is like if Pop would have given the corpse of Steve Smith the huge extension he was clamoring for in the summer of 2002.

kawhi is more important to the spurs right now than either one of curry/KD to the warriors, since we don't have a second elite player. the spurs have choked away so many games in the 4th quarter in the last couple months because we don't have a capable closer.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

This Spurs team is just borderline unwatchable because you know Mills is always going to get minutes. When 50 hit that early three I thought fuck me, now Pop is going to play him even more minutes than usual. I used to love this guy, he was one of my favorite Spurs players back when he was in shape. But now he doesn't give a shit. Signing him to that deal last summer is like if Pop would have given the corpse of Steve Smith the huge extension he was clamoring for in the summer of 2002.

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its not a question of what kind of shape he's in, or even how well he plays on a given night. we loved him when his role was more limited. in our championship year he averaged like 19 mpg (15.5 in the playoffs, 15.2 in the finals)

he's playing a career high in minutes per game, and is averaging over 30 since the all star break

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Originally Posted by duncan2k5

I know... But u are saying we didn't have Kawhi, as if they were at full strength too... With us both at full strength, we are even... Just like we are even when we both lose our mvps... The difference comes down to coaching... Pop needed to play gay and green in the 4th...Mills belongs nowhere close to a basketball court when the warriors are playing

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Spurs aren't even close to even with GSW. If we were then that would be factoring in a huge coaching advantage for us because they have a massive talent advantage.

https://i.imgur.com/DtXCR0k.png

Sure, Pop could've / should've been on his A game, but knowing him, why would he come at them with all the possibilities he knows and keeps hidden. No Kawhi, no proper game plan.

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Originally Posted by spurraider21

its not a question of what kind of shape he's in, or even how well he plays on a given night. we loved him when his role was more limited. in our championship year he averaged like 19 mpg (15.5 in the playoffs, 15.2 in the finals)

he's playing a career high in minutes per game, and is averaging over 30 since the all star break

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I completely disagree. He was fat back in 2013 too and was crap in limited minutes. He came in great shape in 2014 and earned Corey Joseph's spot in the rotation because of it. That Mills would have been great in 25 minutes a night.