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Just the few minutes he played last night, I saw flashes of quickness, great shooting, good foot movement on defense. He just looks more in control and more confident than our other young PGs. I personally think he looks better than Dejounte Murray out there.
This is IMHO from what I saw. What do yall think? :claw
Him and DeJounte might be the best two guards on the entire roster with Manu & Danny regressing some.
At worst, White and Murray are the 2nd and 3rd best guards on the team -- behind Danny.
As of now, White is the best, most polished, all around guard on the entire roster. IMO.
Murray still has had a solid season and has a higher ceiling imo, but White is more polished as of today.
Both should be playing more minutes than Patty and Tony.
Yep. Plus White seems more capable of running an actual offense. Gonna have a Lost Career behind Pop's new son, Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
In the future, they could be like a Deangelo Russell/Spencer Dinwiddie type combo. Same potential but hopefully better due to higher end player development. The Nets have a special tandem on their hands if they can work on it. Hopefully Spurs can do the same with a Dijon/White combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I hope all this losing hasn't got me in typical "anyone who isn't playing is better" mood, but I think he might pretty well be the best guard in the entire team. I wonder what would have happened if he, instead of Murray, would have got the starting nod.
Small sample size but what we have seen is encouraging. He has also lit up the gleague and has them on a winning streak (something Dijon didn’t do in his gleague stint last season for comparison).
I’d have to think somebody like Brad Stevens would have said to heck with culture players and “it wouldn’t be fair to...” whomever get and play him.
I think any coach under pressure to win games would have called him up frequently from the gleague and if he’s better than some guys currently playing, make the adjustments required.
He got rooked by Pop. He was never going to get a real opportunity this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
They should be playing together or both should be staggered -- one w/ starters and one with the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaint
He screwed "Euro League MVP" Splitter over in his first year with the Spurs at age 26. Which bit us in the ass in the playoffs vs Memphis. He doesn't care if White is the best pg tbh. Let's hope it's not anything more than a first season phase-in and not an infatuation with Murray.
I am betting on the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
He made a 3 last night so he's better than mills murray and Parker there.
He's also better than patty and Parker on D by a landslide. Maybe Murray is slightly better defensively idk.
Him and Murray both drive recklessly to the Hoop and get packed alot so that's a wash.
In a perfect world Murray and White would be getting all the significant minutes while patty and Parker play clean up duty,
:pop: "white lacks corporate knowledge" though
WHiTe should be playing more from here on out... enough of this rookie crap treatment from PooP... getting old as that crap Gasoff-OTH-16M guy not worth a [email protected]!! Maybe Gasoff should be sent over to the G-League to help improve his forgotten skills :rolleyes
Parker/Green
White/Ginobili
That should be the rotation from here on out, with Joff, Murray, Mills, Forbes and Bertans fighting for that last spot.
He made 4 threes and he looked very polished for a rookie. He didnt look nearly as rattled as I saw DM last night. DM shoots floaters constantly. He rarely shoots a jump shot. Hell, he passes up the open jumper for floater into the lane. I like White better from what Ive seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd Pacquiao
Pop can't have it both ways, he cant rest players and always expect them to win, compete..yes. And if the spurs are goin to give minutes to the youth. Then give it. Derrick White showed he can compete given the opportunity. He has performed well in Austin, and might be wasting away in the Gleague. It would be good to give him a start and develop quality minutes at the two guard in a loss season. Why is Patty starting at the two guard? He is limited with no upside. It would be good competition for forbes for the future. Forbes is a shooting guard trying to be more of a point guard; but White is a PG converting to a shooting guard. I will take a playmaker over a shooting guard. In today's motion based game as opposed to isolation.
Also, White has little bit more size and that is a always a plus.
Forbes 6'3 190lbs and a 6'5 Wingspan
White 6'4 190 lbs and a 6'7.5 wingspan
Completely agree. I'd personally go with Murray over Manu though since he's better defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I'd love for Murray to be good enough to make that a choice, and personally, I'd rather he win the 10th-man competition and play between White and Manu along with Gay and Gasol. I think Manu would be just fine as a back-up three, and the minutes he'd get behind Kawhi seem to be right about what he should be getting for the team to get the most out of him. I wouldn't even mind Derrick and Tony switching places, but I do think Parker has more to offer a team with a healthy Kawhi and LMA in terms of scoring and experience. The reasons to start White instead are defensive versatility and shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGreatYacht
of course this takes us back to square 1... the complete waste of a signing in patty
Would like to see him getting more tick. I think Murray has the higher upside, but he is the more polished ready guard at this point. If nothing else he should at least be getting regular minutes off the bench. Maybe a starting backcourt of him and Murray?
I think Murray is much more raw, and his strength is his length and athleticism. But White shoots better, is the better ball handler, and is more polished and doesn't make as many mistakes or turnovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElKingslayer2
It’s funny how some people posting on White right now were doging him a month ago. Not going to call you out glad you finally seen the light to bad Hater not in here then it would have been complete. Lol
White is good and will be a good NBA player for us years to come.
Oh by the way Tankathon has us drafting at 13 and picking Robert Williams- he’ll yeah. !!
If White can really shoot the way he has been looking in recent games, that combo would make more sense than Mills/Murray. But I'm not sure that DeJounte really has more upside. People are selling White short in the athletics department. I'm pretty sure his vertical was better than Murray's, and he seems way more coordinated. Murray may well be somewhat more athletic and is certainly longer, but White has above-average size and at least average athleticism for a starting PG in the league. I think his skill-level is already higher than anything Murray can reasonably expect to get, especially on his rookie contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElKingslayer2
There's little doubt in my mind that had LAL drafted White instead of SA, he'd be having a Kumza/Clarkson type of rookie season. For his future, I think White could totally be a starting PG for a team with a star wing like George, Giannis, Simmons or some other big-hands dude whose name I can't remember right now.
I like Williams, though that's mostly TAMU bias on my part. He did seem like what the Spurs should want next to Aldridge or anchoring a pace-and-space second unit. Getting him, whether in the lotto or as a low-seed, could definitely make this season sting a lot less.Quote:
Originally Posted by BackHome
I hated the White pick for about an hour after it was made, because I really wanted Bell or Bolden. But as soon as RC said they thought he had a lot of athletic upside, I reevaluated. If his game was a floor rather than a ceiling, then he has a really bright future.
White has a beautiful stroke. I expect him to be an outstanding outside shooter. Looks like he has very good court vision. Lyle be awhile before he can assert himself. Young Spurs always defer to vets even when they shouldn’t.
He probably is and I'm not surprised. He's over 2 years older than Murray and unlike him, hasn't always been able to mostly get by on superior physical tools.
I think the only scenario White could be a starter in, is if he's surrounded by, if not two dynamic perimeter players, then at least two other ball handling ones. Leonard-Green-White makes no sense. Leonard-White-Murray could, depending on the development of the latter obviously.
More likely, he tops out as a third guard. His greatest value is his versatility. He could conceivably pair with any other type of guard, which is especially important with shooting guards in point guards body types, like Mills and Forbes.
If he can keep shooting with the same touch he has been that would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
A starting lineup of
White
Murray
Kawhi
Anderson
LMA
is something worth tinkering with imo. Its a very long line up that could be very disruptive defensively and has quite a bit of playmaking ability as well. The shortcoming of this lineup is obviously a lack of shooting. White/Kawhi are both good shooters, but they need to make up for the lack of shooting from Anderson and obviously Murray who is an absolute ass shooter. Maybe slot Bertans in at the 4 instead of Anderson. Issue there is that he is a pretty poor rebounder for the 4, hopefully Kawhi/DJ/White with their above average rebounding for their positions could make up for that.
Better shooter than every single one of our so-called "specialists", tbqfh.
Murray can't do that tbh imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Either can Parker or Mills. White better than both, and so is Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan89
i wasn't there for 2011 so tell me, was it really that bad with pop holding out splitter?
because i can't imagine why he buries these talented rookies their first year
humbleQuote:
Originally Posted by weeks
Let's be honest, Splitter didn't turn the corner until 2013, and he was bad in the finals. We gave him the contract that offseason and he delivered in 2014. He was injured during 2015 and didn't get to that standard. His contract was traded for LMA.
Blossom would be our second best wing, he needs to be at Spurs next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
Why the heck did he not get any court time in the subsequent games after playing well in the Houston game?
Pop’s saving him for the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
That’s going to be a loooong highlight clip.
Same reason why Murray couldn't get any more minutes after the Cleveland game last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
IMO, he should have continued to play since the GSW game. He was much better than precious Mills, and Bryn Forbes. Murray didn’t play in that game thus why White played but he was impressive in how poised and ready he looked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
Splitter was 2nd best big on the Spurs from the moment he got in San Antonio. He just finally got a real opportunity in 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdog
White's not even ahead of Brandon Paul in the pecking order. Just an antiquated old fart coach having antiquated methods.
:cry BP3 paid his dues by sucking all over the world and finally making it to the NBA by not sucking for like 5 games in the summer league. Give this man a contract and a guaranteed, no-questions asked 12th man spot! :cry
Yup... It sounds like a caricature and trolling but it’s not... it’s exactly Pop’s method. I suppose he would say he’s humbling White. Showing him how to get over himself... etc. He’s so cliche.Quote:
Originally Posted by NASpurs
If this has had been a 60 win season with a Kiwi MVP and healthy, then ok. But it’s not, team has needed scoring, shooting, talent in general yet he arbitrarily keeps White as the 15 man bc
:pop: this season isn’t for him.
What Pop is doing is sad and pathetic. I saw flashes from White early on in the season where he got some short stints after coming back from his injury. He really should have gotten more court time.
If Murray can develop a reliable shot he and White will be a nice tandem. White is definitely a more natural half court playmaker.
White plays (and looks) like a perfect cross between Dejounte and SloMo.
If he can combine the best both, that would be great. If not . . .
He has a much better shot than both and can create open 3's for himself -- doesn't need others to pass him spot up oppotunities. He's been working on his 3 in various ways w/ the ball and it has showed in the past 2 months in Austin and in San Antonio. The kid puts in 2-3 hours everyday on all variations of shooting with the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
That will be the key. If so, the sky's the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Since February 3, Derrick White has shot 30-of-65 (46 percent) from three in 298 minutes with San Antonio and Austin combined. And majority of them have came from pulling up off the dribble, some variations of Curry-esque step backs and hesitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ
he is a "smart" player on the court, remembers james harden the way it changes its speed with easeQuote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
There's no one on the active roster that is a bigger threat than he is in the PnR off the dribble. And Pop has him in Austin... it's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0drig0lac
Murray is 2 years and change younger than White. He’s inevitably going to be more raw. Murray needs these reps to start seeing the floor so they can figure out what to do with him as he’s off his rookie deal sooner. Next year you’ll get plenty of White.
If Kawhi were playing, I wonder how much different the rotations would be ... a lot less science experimenting.
And not to be a Mills apologist, as he’s been dreadful. But he’s a much better fit with Kawhi in the lineup than when he’s expected to be a playmaker.
apparently everyone thinks he should get PT. except pop.
Pop Psychology 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I don't think anyone expects Mills to be a playmaker without Kawhi. Offense aside, he's just a bad overall player. White would be much better with or without Kawhi.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjw
Last year Murray was 20...im sure white wouldn't have been lighting up the d league at 20Quote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
I really hope that they’ll trade mills in the off season to open much more playing time for a White and Murray combo
White could've easily had the impact of the rookie of the year last year for the Spurs this year. White is an even better prospect than Brogdon. Whites ability to shoot off the dribble not just from 3pt range but from multiple feet beyond the 3pt line is an incredible asset. Beyond that he just very balanced across the board. He can pass, handle, and has the physical attributes to defend, and rebound. I'm very excited about him going forward.
For as much love as Murray gets for talking the talk White has a proven track record of his grit. He started off in division II, went d1, and now is in the NBA. All along the way he continues to grow as a player. It's really impressive and should make all Spurs fans excited about his future.
First it was bryn now it White. :lmao
ST never learns. :lol
White is trash. :lol
Good article on where he stands, and why he's not playing much yet.
https://airalamo.com/2018/02/22/san-...e-future-role/
Perhaps we neither crown him a god, nor denigrate his skills yet--He's definitely *not* trash. Kid is still 23 and quite raw, but has a high ceiling if developed properly.
Wouldn’t be fair for him to ever play.
He's trash. And some fucking "article" ain't gonna change that. :lol
Yet the worst passer and lowest iq player on the team is the starting pg.... w t fQuote:
Originally Posted by dabom
He can already hit 3's at a good percentage. At worst he'll be a solid player which is still a steal for the Spur considering you rarely get anybody decent at the draft spot they were picking at.
Hopefully they can somehow dump Fatty without having to throw in their first round pick.
lol anyone who has hard on for Fatty saying other players are trash :lmao :lmao
if its between tanking and getting a ggod pick and ridding this team of patty trash and making the playoffs, im rooting for the playoffs.
Yeah, what I was saying is the loss of Kawhi hurts Mills even more. Signed with the expectation he’d be able to come off action and hit shots instead of having to create for himself. Without Kawhi it’s just ugly. And Kawhi’s defense (and having Patty not play with Green either) means his defense is even more of a liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Mills is only a pg due to injury. Hes better than murray. Im better than both
As a spurs fan, then shouldn't you be getting your ass down to SA and trying out with the team - you could solve our PG problems, save the team, and even get paid for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Or you could be a full of shit internet troll...
Don’t even bother.. I have that dude figured out.Quote:
Originally Posted by pad300
So you dont think ppl off the street including internet trolls are better than these two bums? SadQuote:
Originally Posted by pad300
:cryQuote:
Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24
Wow. You’re the main one always criticizing people about responding with emojis. What a hypocrite. Why do I even entertain this hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
The crying continues. But you are right. I should let playboban do the cry emojiQuote:
Originally Posted by KDKSpurs24
You don't like Murray?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Just stop the dumbass trolling. Everyone ignores you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
:lol how do people still respond to ducks' cousin tholdren?
Blue font....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
A white/Murray potential future backcourt could be nice. They both have good size as well. Would be nice to see the kid get some more playing time, obviously not gonna happen this year.
Derrick White's upside is higher than Patty Mills. The choice for the Spurs is they know they need to get younger & more athletic in the backcourt. They can't keep 4 Point guards or 5 if you count Forbes as a combo guards. If forbes or Ginobili stays, then White will essentially waste on the bench, because he is likely too good for the GLeague. Patty Mills may potentially have some trade value for a team in need of a veteran point guard to help young point guards. A trade with a team with multiple picks seems like a good idea, ex. Atlanta, or Philly.
None of this matters if Forbes leaves or Manu retires.
Forbes will leave eventually. He isn't very good, and isn't worth a long-term deal. At least Mills has "culture".
In a perfect world they would both be gone and White would be playing, imo.
Forbes is better than murray and mills.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Yes its not closeQuote:
Originally Posted by TimDunkem
You don't like Murray?Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Whats to like?Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
Forbes is horrible on defense!
No hes not. And he can run a fast break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atl Spur
Cool.......my fault you are 100% right!Quote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Atl Spur
I just couldn't tell. I am confused on where you stand with himQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Personally or professionally?Quote:
Originally Posted by palangi
And offense, and he lacks experience and intangibles. Other than that, he's not too shitty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atl Spur
I mean I can't really tell if you hate him or love himQuote:
Originally Posted by tholdren
Happy for White, tbh. As long as Dabom is off his dick, he will be fine ..:tu
That's why MVPatty and Dejounte are starting. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spursistan