Zach Lowe trashing the Spurs offense, kind of..

As he keeps churning out the essays on his beloved Raptors and Jazz; Lowe has a pity paragraph on them-- your irrelevant Spurs.

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7. The spacing in San Antonio

Until feasting on a Magic team playing some of the stankiest, tankiest lineups (shouts to Shelvin Mack for getting some time as a first option!) you will ever see -- and starting small, with Kyle Anderson at power forward -- the Spurs' offense had been cratering. They're down to 18th in points per possession even after an important win over New Orleans on Thursday, and they just cannot crack open any space when both Dejounte Murray and Slow-Mo are on the floor.


Those guys are old basketball souls who use ancient tricks to compensate for bricky shooting. Murray skulks along the baseline for dump-offs and offensive rebounds. Anderson meanders around guys who close out on him, and flips in-between shots with a soft touch.


But craft isn't always enough. Neither can shoot from deep, and that cramps LaMarcus Aldridge's office space on the block
Without Kawhi Leonard, the math of San Antonio's midrange-heavy shot selection works against them. Their shot profile hasn't budged from last season. With Leonard playing like an MVP in 2016-17, they outperformed their expected field-goal percentage -- based on shot location, shooters, and defender proximity -- by the fifth-largest margin in the league, per Second Spectrum. This season, they are shooting almost exactly as expected, and it isn't good enough -- especially since they don't gobble up free throws or offensive rebounds at a high rate. (Also: Why doesn't Danny Green play a little more?)


The Spurs built this team to play a certain style, and without their foundational talent, they can't play it well enough to win at a high level.

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Have you seen the spurs offense? Lowe was being too nice tbh imho fwiw.

Pretty spot on, but these are our best players. Bertans is banged up or something, Rudy gay sucks.

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Originally Posted by spursistan

As he keeps churning out the essays on his beloved Raptors and Jazz; Lowe has a pity paragraph on them-- your irrelevant Spurs.

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:lmao I was thinking the same thing. He occasionally writes a negative blurb on the Spurs in an attempt to throw the fan base off the scent.

The "they're down to 18th in points per possession" comment shows just how off the radar they are for him. In reality, they've operated in this space all season and have actually been slightly better recently.

Lost amid the Anderson praise this season is the fact that he's as awkward a fit as ever. He's not a primary creator and his sub par range shooting has taken a step back, which means he's not a natural fit on either unit. On a team that's probably going to have Murray and Parker (whose range shooting has also taken a step back) as its point guards for the next few seasons, who already play off of Aldridge and eventually Leonard, they can't afford another significant minutes playing perimeter player that can't shoot.

Agree that Kyle's an awkward fit. But I'll argue that Parker and Murray are an awkward fit for him. And Mills and forbes are not good enough shooters or cutters to work with him. In short, this roster has too manly flaws and one dimensional players. Kyle is one of the most versatile players we have.

Kyle is fine as a four, but he and Murray won't work together, especially since they're at best third- or fourth-options on a healthy roster. That's why Pop is starting Mills and Bertans with them a lot. Ideally, you get away with Murray/Green/Anderson/Bertans/Aldridge, but then that leaves only Manu on the bench perimeter with any size. If Brandon Paul were an aggressive and accurate shooter, he'd be a stable rotation piece right now. As it is, White is the only guy with the chance to stabilize a Kawhi-less rotation.

Lowes attempt at calling out pop tbh

"The Spurs built this team to play a certain style": this style is "give Kawhi the ball and get out of the way"

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Originally Posted by Chinook

Kyle is fine as a four, but he and Murray won't work together, especially since they're at best third- or fourth-options on a healthy roster. That's why Pop is starting Mills and Bertans with them a lot. Ideally, you get away with Murray/Green/Anderson/Bertans/Aldridge, but then that leaves only Manu on the bench perimeter with any size. If Brandon Paul were an aggressive and accurate shooter, he'd be a stable rotation piece right now. As it is, White is the only guy with the chance to stabilize a Kawhi-less rotation.

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And White isn’t going to play, nor is Pop going to start Davis regularly bc they are compelled to not marginalize guys they already gave big contracts to this past summer in Mills and Gasol.

Of course the spacing is terrible. Fathead, Murray, Fatty house, and G League Danny are starting.

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Originally Posted by gospursgojas

Have you seen the spurs offense? Lowe was being too nice tbh imho fwiw.

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Originally Posted by gospursgojas

Have you seen the spurs offense? Lowe was being too nice tbh imho fwiw.

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Derrick White is the 2nd most talented offensive player on the current active roster... and he can defend.

How this guy isn't getting playing time is absurd.

Pop needs to give him the opportunity and give him all of Mills' minutes at the starting two.

He is stubborn and will not do that this season. Pop is really that stubborn.

This isn't his year, and playing him wouldn't be fair to Fatty, Bryn, or the mummies.

too much long fade away jumpers. Other than that we're __ok__.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Derrick White is the 2nd most talented offensive player on the current active roster... and he can defend.

How this guy isn't getting playing time is absurd.

Pop needs to give him the opportunity and give him all of Mills' minutes at the starting two.

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No I don’t.

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Kawhi and poop destroyed the beautiful game tbh fwiw...

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Originally Posted by Play Boban

Kawhi and poop destroyed the beautiful game tbh fwiw...

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With Kawhi leading them, they won 67 and 61 games last two seasons....This season without him 39 of 69.

Also, we saw the beautiful game only in 2014 playoffs after the leading scorer -Parker- got injured...I can't remember they played that way in that regular season, nor in 1st round against Mavs.

If this roster would have that great like in 2014 playoffs, they could afford to lose their leading scorer and still make the Finals. Can see this team making the Finals without Kawhi?

In 2013 and 2014, 3rd and 4th best Spurs players were elite players in the league (top defenders, top shooters)

Kawhi didn't destroy anything, he didn't make the moves to reduce talent on the roster.

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Originally Posted by YGWHI

With Kawhi leading them, they won 67 and 61 games last two seasons....This season without him 39 of 69.

Also, we saw the beautiful game only in 2014 playoffs after the leading scorer -Parker- got injured...I can't remember they played that way in that regular season, nor in 1st round against Mavs.

If this roster would have that great like in 2014 playoffs, they could afford to lose their leading scorer and still make the Finals. Can see this team making the Finals without Kawhi?

In 2013 and 2014, 3rd and 4th best Spurs players were elite players in the league (top defenders, top shooters)

Kawhi didn't destroy anything, he didn't make the moves to reduce talent on the roster.

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He destroyed this team by holding out and refusing to play this season tbh.

Spot on

Being truthful isnt trashing. Spurs have no pg. It's a big deal if you want to contend

Sometimes basketball is really as simply as the Spurs having three perimeter rotation players who can't shoot from 3 to go along with Gay who pretty much doesn't take them anymore because he's regressed from his Kings days, (6-21, 28.5% in 11 post all-star break games). No Kawhi and his high volume, high percent, 3pt and FT attempts and Gasol got a bunch of open looks via Kawhi but without him isn't nearly as effective.

Spurs scored 31 points out of 117 from 3 and the FT line against Minny, it worked out because they had 11 fewer T.O's and 4 more offensive rebounds and were +14 in FGA attempts but normally that's how a team gets beat in the NBA

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He destroyed this team by holding out and refusing to play this season tbh.

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Of course. Why would a troll try to support an injured player? When it's obvious he wanted to lose a whole season, missing MVP candicancy, All NBA teams spots, ASG, a shoes contract...Yeah. He did it on purpuse.

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Of course. Why would a troll try to support an injured player? When it's obvious he wanted to lose a whole season, missing MVP candicancy, All NBA teams spots, ASG, a shoes contract...Yeah. He did it on purpuse.

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Deflect and obfuscate all you want, but you know I'm right! :bobo

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Originally Posted by cd021

Spurs scored 31 points out of 117 from 3 and the FT line against Minny, it worked out because they had 11 fewer T.O's and 4 more offensive rebounds and were +14 in FGA attempts but normally that's how a team gets beat in the NBA

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You said this like it was incidental, but that's exactly how the team is built. The utility of playing Murray at starting PG and Anderson at SF and running LMA and Pau in the front court is to dominate the boards. Guys like Murray, Green and Anderson generate a lot of lose balls, which a number of other players being decent or good in that area as well. Obviously, Kawhi would just take all this to another level.

Anyway, Pop's whole plan to beat the Warriors has always revolved around getting more possessions or attempts than GS in order to offset the efficiency gap. Obviously, winning the FT disparity is also a big part of that, and without looking at the numbers, I'd say that usually do that. It would be even more blatant if Kawhi were playing. Outside of FTA, though, Wolves game was not an example of the Spurs getting lucky; it was an example of their gameplan working.

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Originally Posted by Chinook

You said this like it was incidental, but that's exactly how the team is built. The utility of playing Murray at starting PG and Anderson at SF and running LMA and Pau in the front court is to dominate the boards. Guys like Murray, Green and Anderson generate a lot of lose balls, which a number of other players being decent or good in that area as well. Obviously, Kawhi would just take all this to another level.


Anyway, Pop's whole plan to beat the Warriors has always revolved around getting more possessions or attempts than GS in order to offset the efficiency gap. Obviously, winning the FT disparity is also a big part of that, and without looking at the numbers, I'd say that usually do that. It would be even more blatant if Kawhi were playing. Outside of FTA, though, Wolves game was not an example of the Spurs getting lucky; it was an example of their gameplan working.

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Fair points but I was really using the game to illustrate the Spurs struggles on offense overall. They don't get to the line as much as most teams and rank poorly in 3pt attempts and 3pt%. Taking care of the ball, forcing turnovers and grabbing offensive rebounds are all good ways to off set that disparity but its not necessarily fool proof. There are going to be nights where they play teams limit offense rebounds and/ or teams that take care of the ball. GSW doesn't tend to do either against us which is why we often play them so tough.

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Originally Posted by cd021

Fair points but I was really using the game to illustrate the Spurs struggles on offense overall.

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I guess Spurs issues on offense are bigger than rebounds/FTs...Our guards can't even play against some 2nd/3rd Warriors team.

Parker, Manu, Mills, Forbes...In a perimeter-oriented league these guards in key roles are unplayable against elite fast-tempo teams in playoffs.

This is actually so true :lol..

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Originally Posted by spursistan

This is actually so true :lol..

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Blame murray. Any run of the mill hs pg could do what he does....

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Originally Posted by tholdren

Blame murray. Any run of the mill hs pg could do what he does....

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speaking of run of the mill. mills is still just and undersized shooting guard.

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speaking of run of the mill. mills is still just and undersized shooting guard.

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Duh. Hes asked to play pg bc murray cant

Lowe with another subtle dig at Pop and his archaic offense..I agree with him : "I hate 3s" is not an identity "..

"6. What are the Spurs?

The road-weary Spurs play one style of offense with their starters, and another when DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge rest. They have been bad on defense almost regardless of personnel or scheme.They have three rotation players between the ages of 23 and 29 -- the prime age range in which Kawhi Leonard once centered the roster: Derrick White, Davis Bertans and Bryn Forbes. White is the best player among those three, and by far the most important in projecting San Antonio forward. They also have Lonnie Walker IV and Dejounte Murray, all their own first-round picks, and an extra one from Toronto. San Antonio's coaches were confident Murray was primed for a mega-leap before he tore his ACL. A Murray-White back-court should be spicy -- and stifling on defense.The West could open up if Kevin Durant leaves Golden State. If Murray and White ascend next season, it's possible the current Spurs roster could leap into the fight for that spot.

It's also possible Aldridge and DeRozan drop off some by the time San Antonio's best young players are ready, and that the young core does not hold a perennial future All-Star candidate.The Spurs are generally cautious. They will probably spend the next year-plus seeing what this group can do. But they haven't coalesced around any identity this season -- "I hate 3s" is not an identity -- and they face major questions going forward. The next two-plus years represent the Spurs' greatest team-building challenge since drafting Tim Duncan. I can't wait to see how they tackle it."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...kers-tank-talk