All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
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All TP needs to do now is fuck Kawhi's girl to complete the process, tbh.
You don’t think he hasn’t already done that tbh?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurPadre
Yeah, you're right. Silly me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Play Boban
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Originally Posted by SpurPadre
You wanna clarify that comment? Maybe there's a "cause" for why Kiwi, who has an impeccable track record, no longer trusts the Spurs training/Medical staff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
I trust the Spurs training/Medical staff's impeccable track record of well over 20 years than Kawhi's 7 years, tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
Some vids on the post team meeting.
Chris Carter claims he knows Kawhi and his inner circle, defends KL, but says he's not coming back this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDWshF0cwMo
First Take guys with their usual schtick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIE3rDGb3Fo
The point is that Kawhi only has an "impeccable track record" with fans and media. His teammates spend more time with him and are likely to have their own opinions of his independent of his "record". If they think Kawhi is faking, it'd be because they think his "record" allows for it. If Kawhi is displaying cancerous tendencies now, he's likely displayed them before, and we just haven't heard yet. Well, we actually have heard before, but we just dismissed them, like Kawhi not doing much to recruit LMA, not helping to recruit Durant at all, and not really doing anything to recruit CP3. This was all Rose-level stuff even before he got hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
I saw that Cris Carter one earlier today and I didn't like it or want to mention it. He said he knows Kawhi and his people and when asked if he thought he'd come back this season, he said "no." Not what I wanted to hear. Hopefully he doesn't really know anything. I really think the Spurs have a chance if Kawhi can come back this season.
What's weird is CC says "these are the same people who managed my career". Who are these people that would manage both of them in two different sports/eras? I assume he means the specialist doctors? I doubt Kawhi's uncle had anything to do with Carter's career. Are there other advisers (Lawyers, financial guys, personal trainers) CC is referencing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
I always assumed that was either because a) Kawhi was a shy/introvert or b) he had faith in PATFO to do those things and just wanted to worry about on the court things and perfecting his own game or c) all of the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Thhere is a fine line between shyness which most people are sympathetic to and aloofness which most people find distasteful.
I actually don't blame him for not recruiting Durant because if I was in his situation I would have done the same. Why would you recruit somebody that hates you and doesn't respect you which is obvious with the shade Durant has thrown at Kawhi in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Yeah, that's interesting/weird. I thought the exact same thing when he said that. All I could think was how can they be the same people, Kawhi's got his own crew and it's from a different era, or so I assume Kawhi's crew is from his era rather than Cris Carter's. I wonder who Cris Carter is referring to when he mention's "the same people"? I guess the people could have worked both eras, or the tail end of Carter's. I'm really not sure who he's referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
Chris carter should spend more time raising his own kidsQuote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
Lol jesus. Posting some crackheads shitty tweet as evidence for your agenda? 20k posts? What a wasteQuote:
Originally Posted by LkrFan
The first video is smart and knowledgeable. I also looked at the timing of the meeting and both Pop's and Manu's statements. Kawhi is simply not coming back this season. They know it and have mentally moved on. They will never say it officially bc they are being deferential to Kawhi trying to rehab and come back. Kawhi himself hasn't given up and they aren't closing the door on him, but he is probably so far from being ready to play, (Woj mentioned he was doing 4 on 4 --with the staff mind you-- and that is why the leak happened that he was coming back in one of the recent past games-- but he then regressed and had to start all over.) There is just no time left, he's not ready and teammates already got the word from him that he's not ready and doesn't know when he will be. At this point, you can read between the lines... no one would tell him to give it up already trying to come back this season, but it's just unrealistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillMc
Not max player as i said several years ago. Rigged fmvpQuote:
Originally Posted by SAGirl
There are so many Kawhi threads right now that choosing where to post this info is giving me a headache. Clearly, I'll need outside specialists to clear me before I post again.
But, as it is a non game day, and we're all just shooting the breeze here is some guy from MSN listing his idea of good Kawhi trades
://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/opinion-5-leonard-trades-that-make-sense/ar-BBKzUuY
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1. Atlanta HawksAtlanta sends Dennis Schröder, DeAndre Bembry and their 2018 1st-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
The Hawks do not have a co-star for Leonard on their roster. Yet. The idea would be that securing Leonard ahead of time would help the Hawks secure that second star-caliber free agent either this summer or next offseason. They would have a fair bit to offer: Leonard, promising big-man John Collins and fellow wing prospect Taurean Prince, and perhaps the best player development system in the NBA outside of San Antonio. Players love Atlanta as a city. Paul George and LeBron James may be out of reach this summer. But anyone in the 2019 class would be in play along with DeMarcus Cousins this summer if the Hawks wanted to go that route.
The Spurs would haggle for Prince. And the eventual landing spot of that first-rounder in the lottery would determine their likeliness of getting him. The Hawks wouldn’t give up a top-two pick without some assurance from Leonard that he would stay. But if that pick is fifth, this is a different conversation.
That assurance is unlikely, of course. But it’s worth noting that Mike Budenholzer was a Spurs assistant in Leonard’s first two seasons. But only that, but he was one of the most vocal supporters of trading for him during the draft process. There seems to be a good relationship there. One that could help the Hawks convince Leonard to at least give them another year to build a team around him.
2. Boston Celtics
Boston sends Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris, Guerschon Yabusele, Terry Rozier, Abdel Nader and Memphis’ top-eight protected 2019 first-round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard.
The volume of players here is a cap issue more than a talent problem. The Celtics do not have big salaries they are eager to trade. That is the biggest argument for them keeping Marcus Smart this offseason. Giving him a big cap number gives them a big cap number to trade for a superstar like Anthony Davis.
Davis to the Celtics feels like fait accompli. But, Leonard is the one feasibly available player who could convince Boston to change their plans. Kyrie Irving qualifies as the star teammate Leonard may desire. And a three-headed defensive hydra of Leonard, Jaylon Brown and Gordon Hayward on the perimeter would make even the Warriors sweat. Toss in Al Horford, more future picks sitting in their back pocket and the general desire any veteran buy out candidate would have to play for that team and the Celtics may be looking at a dynasty.
As for the Spurs? Tatum is a future star in his own right. One with the offensive upside to do for them what Leonard did last year. That Memphis pick is one of the most valuable outstanding picks in the league, and Yabusele and Rozier are the sort of prospects San Antonio loves to swipe and develop. Unless one of the two top picks in June’s draft become available, Tatum is likely the most appealing singular asset the Spurs could get.
3. Los Angeles Lakers
Los Angeles sends Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Luol Deng and a lottery-protected 2020 first round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard
The Lakers wouldn’t make this trade unless they had already secured at least one max-salary free agent. But if they get two, this is their path to a third. Let’s say LeBron James and Paul George do sign with the Lakers this offseason. They’ll want to win right away. Therefore, waiting on Ingram and Kuzma to develop would not be ideal. The Spurs would have that time to wait, though. So grabbing two high-upside prospects along with a first-round pick wouldn’t be a terrible haul for a team expecting to sit out the late playoffs for a few seasons.
The Lakers would then have James, George and Leonard as the foundation of their present with Lonzo Ball lingering as the thread to the future. Josh Hart sticks around as a valuable role player and likely their fifth man to close games with, and the world will be a better place if Ivica Zubac is getting major minutes on a playoff team.
The only hang up is Deng. His contract lasts only two more years after this one. That’s not un-tradeable, but the Spurs wouldn’t be enthusiastic about taking it on. This trade would likely only be possible if the Celtics weren’t interested in bidding, as they have the assets to beat any team in the field.
4. Minnesota Timberwolves
Minnesota sends Andrew Wiggins, Tyus Jones, Cole Aldrich and their top-three protected first-round pick to San Antonio for Kawhi Leonard and Pau Gasol
If the Spurs want to still compete in the present, Wiggins is already a 20-point scorer who could theoretically lead a team. The problems come when you examine literally any other part of his game. The Spurs are better at solving those problems than any other team in the NBA. If any team could turn Wiggins into the player many expected, which was essentially what Leonard already is, it is them.
Meanwhile, Minnesota’s problems on defense (they are ranked 27th as of this writing) would be helped significantly by Leonard’s addition. He and Jimmy Butler would be the best perimeter combination of defenders in the NBA. And with Karl-Anthony Towns leading the way on offense, the two could give maximum effort on a nightly basis. Leonard adds spacing to an offense that needs it as well, allowing Towns to focus more on the area around the basket.
Leonard would likely need assurances that Butler will stay beyond the expiration of his contract next season. Or if it was not granted, they could decide to both enter free agency next summer. There are also market concerns, as players tend to detest living in Minnesota due to the weather and lack of off-court opportunities. But in basketball terms, swapping Leonard for Wiggins may make the Timberwolves a championship team.
5. Philadelphia 76ers
Philadelphia sends Markelle Fultz, Dario Šarić, Robert Covington and the Los Angeles’ Lakers 2018 first-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
OR
Philadelphia sends Ben Simmons, Jerryd Bayless and the Los Angeles Lakers’ 2018 first-round pick to the Spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
The Sixers are the most complicated team in the hunt for Leonard. They have the best singular asset that could be conceivably traded for Leonard in Simmons. But, it’s highly unlikely that he would be available. They also have the best overall package of assets to offer if San Antonio prefers depth. It’s just a matter of what their offseason looks like.
If the Sixers sign LeBron James, their plans change immensely. They go into win-now mode, and having Simmons is a liability under those circumstances. His lack of shooting would be amplified to the extreme in the playoffs. And, his skill-set is redundant with James on the team. That would make him expendable in a Leonard trade, and if the Sixers truly offered him, the Spurs would probably say yes in a heartbeat. A Sixers team with James, Leonard, Embiid, Covington and Šarić would likely be the favorite to win the championship next season even before you consider any potential contributions from Fultz.
If they don’t get James? Things get more complicated. They would love to have Leonard, but would they risk their entire timeline to get him? The combination of Leonard, Simmons, Joel Embiid and cap space would be formidable. But would it be enough to beat the Warriors or Rockets without role players to replace Covington and Šarić?
And how high is Fultz’s value right now? Different teams have different perspectives, so it’s impossible to tell. If the Sixers truly want Leonard, they can make a deal happen. They can even outbid the Celtics if it comes to that. But the circumstances of their offseason will dictate whether or not they are willing to go all in.
Sixers trade is probably the best but still meh. Lol at the Boston proposal. Any trade w/ Boston involving Kawhi and Boston is definitely giving up both Brown/Tatum and one of those nice lotto picks. The rest of those ideas are laughable at best.
Kellerman is right thg
Tony needs to support his teammate. A public comment like that is a very shitty thing to do. Especially since Kawhi is the franchise now...shows a lack of respect for KL.
If Tony's going to intensify the discord he can do it by banging the reserve's wives/gfs. Leave the big man alone, or show us your medical degree and KL exam results Tony!
Jerry's about to do some more fleecing, tbh. The Spurs are getting Austin Rivers, Gallinari and Wes Johnson for KawhiPERIOD
Tony probably shouldn't have gone that hard. At the same time, Kawhi needs to give his teammates an answer. And it doesn't sound like he is that close with any of them. Not a good look..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones
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Originally Posted by Chinook
I think you might have gotten Kawhi right after all..Gotta give you credit on bringing up the Rose analogy early, tbh.
The sudden change in the tenor of the comments from people around situation in the last few weeks (Pop, Manu, TP, the broadcast crew, and even some figures with flimsy ties to the organisation like that Jason Garrett dude possibly speaking on behalf of his colleagues) suggest they might be finally detecting a bullshit here.
The fact that this saga has continuously refused to blow over should leave divorce as a real option on the table as soon as this summer, and one wonders if that was the end game all along for Kawhi's camp.
It might be naively sentimental, but people here need to also understand the Spurs organization is too big and prideful to be completely bending over for an injury-prone, mentally-suspect player with zero leadership bone in him-- one who has only been at THAT Level for a season or two. In other words, you only allow Lebron James to walk all over you-- and even the latter is too competitive to be pulling this disgraceful and cowardly protest move..
only the 76ers are worth a second look, on the celtics Tatum + Brown + pick or nothing. fuck AingeQuote:
Originally Posted by BillMc